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aapo · Feb 17, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I wish I could say that Guild Wars is about PvP, but when the hardest challenge in HA is actually finding a competent team that doesn't suck bawls and disband after first loss in the underworld, I'm forced to either farm gladiator points with Monk in RA, go PvE or press the small X button on top right corner and start a real PvP game like Counter-Strike.

RotteN · Feb 17, 2008, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Although it was originally marketted otherwise, it's PvE game ...

Shuuda · Feb 17, 2008, 11:00 AM // 11:00

It's more of a PvE game right now, which is shameful because GW had far more potenial as a PvP based game than another common MMO.

Tyla · Feb 17, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I agree with Shuuda.

aapo · Feb 17, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

It's more of a PvE game right now, which is shameful because GW had far more potenial as a PvP based game than another common MMO.

- Using MMO engine to build a PvP game is like using spoon to eat steak. It's ten times more convenient to use engines for what they do best. One thing I've always wondered what is the point in PvE when every item that drops has similar stats and the best items you can get from weapon crafter. Why are monster and player skills to rigidly limited to skill slots? Why professions like Mesmers have no role in PvE? What's the point of binding rituals? I could spend 2 hours to list every problem that is caused by this decision to keep PvE and PvP together, but I have other things to do.

DreamRunner · Feb 17, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Agreed, that is a very large part of the cause of this problem.

Its a problem because a lot of people can't use skills that they aren't used too. Some people in PvE also think that their build is hardcore stuff and also 99.9% of the time, it sucks...

I was in AB and a mesmer was telling me that tactics for warrior is the most important attribute. That I should also bring Defy Pain as my elite instead of derv hammer so I will survive longer. Its a problem, I agree because most of the time people in PvE are ignorant when it comes to PvP and this problem won't go away until the majority of people won't generalize and stereotype others who play PvP or PvE.

I also thought GW was for PvP mostly at first intended.

~ Dan ~ · Feb 17, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

It's more of a PvE game right now, which is shameful because GW had far more potenial as a PvP based game than another common MMO.

QFT. Anet just decided to market to the masses instead.

Stockholm · Feb 17, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

QFT. Anet just decided to market to the masses instead.

The whole bussines model of A-Net is based on the masses buying the game.
Had their marketing been targeting a specific group of players the "one time fee" system would not have worked.

And I think the bussines model came before the game, (could be wrong).

BlackSephir · Feb 17, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Stated by Jeff Strain: "Guild Wars was built from the ground to be a competitive game." Now, shit's happened. I'd say 70% PvE, whereas it was prided the most when it was originally the opposite.

y halo thar
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw

Part #2

Ekelon · Feb 17, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

70% PvP and 30% PvE as it started out.

Now I'd say 30% PvP and 70% PvE.

I /agree with this one. PvP competitiveness has severly turned downwards.

Bastian · Feb 17, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

The game is all about what you make of it. The two don't really interact with each other except for skill balance typically falls around the PvP aspect of the game in order to limit the amount of degenerate builds. My advice would be to decide what you would like to do and find a good active guild that will support that decision.

Kashrlyyk · Feb 17, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

If players are fighting against players at all, then yes, it is a PvP mode, even if there are also NPCs there to fight. Unless you are saying the only PvP in the game is RA and TA.

But this is about the Battle Isles only being 80% PvP because of the NPCs, it is not about GvG, which is PvP of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

y halo thar
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw

Part #2

Muahahaha. You actually believe that?

BlackSephir · Feb 17, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

No, I believe what will awesome people on Guru say instead of listening to GW's dev. Sounds reasonable [/sarcasm]

Bryant Again · Feb 17, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

y halo thar
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw

Part #2

Whoops, so it wasn't Jeff Strain who said it : o Thanks for the source.

Shuuda · Feb 17, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

That video needs to be a sticky.

N1ghtstalker · Feb 17, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

both
you got alot of ppl doing pvp and alot of ppl doing PvE
and then there are ppl that do both

Malice Black · Feb 17, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Play Fury...? It's all PvP.

GW is GW. It tried to be both PvP and PvE. I say it done quite well. Yes, it has it's faults, but what doesn't?

Shakti · Feb 17, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

It's both. It's whatever the player likes. Why must everything be PvP vs PvE? Both or neither, it's just GW.

HuntMaster Avatar · Feb 17, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by PinoyRurik

Hi I would like to know what you guys think about GW's genre.
I was wondering if I am a new gamer looking at GW. what would be my first impression entering the game, granted i looked into all the updates. zaishen, skill nerf, farm nerf.
Is it:
100% pvp or pve?
70% pvp? 30% pve?
50% pvp? 50% pve?
30% pvp? 70% pve?

I dunno how to make this a poll.

I only pve. so its 90% for me. 10% pvp for my fortaspenwood days.

enter_the_zone · Feb 17, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

As said already, GW is both PVE and PVP.

The PVP is good enough to have a completely stand-alone variant of the game, which says something about how good it actually is. I have no issues with the PVP system in GW, it's very very good. It's a pity about most players, but then that's true of PVE as well (FoW/UW leavers, Warriors who can't/won't pull etc).

The PVE is fun and interesting without the enforced addictive grind of other MMO's. PVE GW is more like a Final Fantasy RPG (FF10, for example) than it is WoW or EVE, and that's a good thing.

GW does both really well, and sometimes that gets forgotten by players on both sides of the pvp/pve divide. We many not like the same things, but we should all be able to agree that GW is a pretty damn good game.

I think it's also amazing value with 2 years worth of play so far, for less than £200, including all the campaigns, the expansion, loads of char slots, all the PVP unlock packs, BMP etc.

Sure, Anet can be lugnuts, and yes, if you are starting out now you will never have enough money for some of the rarer minipets (assuming normal play) etc.

While this may be a major issue for those of us who have played for a long time, it doesn't affect the fact that GW is a damn fun game while you still have stuff to do and assuming you suppress the desire for "prestige" items.

I was blinded by the desire for titles, but this thread has made me remember that GW is about fun first, everything else second.