Curse

Yukito Kunisaki · Mar 02, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

PvP skill requirements:

IAS, Speed, 2-3 skills for spiking, interrupt, res sig, single utility [omg, so flexible, one skill...

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PvE requirements:

Apparently, pros thinking anything can work, stupid or not... Some even mention using no skills. I'd LOVE to see a screenshot of a team using no skills Vanquish a large hard mode place...

I suppose my guess was true of this place. It's either cookie cutter, BARELY modified cookie cutter, or not worth posting...

Frenzy / Sprint vs. Flail / Rush. They practically accomplish the same goals through very minor different means. (and yet you either bring F/S or you're a noob...) My builds are practically cookie cutters missing 1-2 essentials and WHAM, I'm labeled noob. [fact is I was playing open beta of prophesies WAYYY back in early 2000s when Healing Signet was a common skill. I've played longer than most of you morons...

This was the first F2P game I did a search for so many years a go. I have a good idea wtf I'm talking about]

Can someone post a radically new build that can be regarded as efficient? Several others and myself have tried and failed multiple times. At least I have to say, my mindset of having my warrior get out there and deal damage using any means necessary is an old-school method that I'm gratefully seeing still works... Barely modified cookie cutters? I guess we're all forced to use those...

Some 'pro' prove me wrong. Some pro show me a build we've never seen before [especially if it's pvp] that would be highly efficient.

Good luck working without speed buff, IAS, Res Sig, Deep Wound (wait, I like deep wound, keep that ^_^), etc.

Why not let every warrior in the game use cookie cutters and barely touched/modded cookie cutters, then we'd all be the highest level now wouldn't we?

I've listed the essentials. I know how warriors supposed to be played. Can someone show me a non-essential pvp war of W/X?

If not, we should all stop posting anything new for PvP cause [axe example]

you must run

Eviscerate, exe. strike, Disrupting Chop, Bull Strike, Frenzy, Sprint, Res Sig, and MAYBE a utility skill from your other profession (self heals don't cut it)

or be noobed.

Sever, Gash, Galrath, Final, Frenzy, Sprint, Res Sig, bull strike. [swords]

You get the idea...

So... anyone?

Ismoke · Mar 02, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

i feel ur pain dude... being creative in any other life aspect would label you imaginative, but here its the opposite its gotta be cookie cutter or you fail at gw..

let me try:

dismember
exe
agaonizing
flail
rush (me;s loves rush)
wild blow
charge (e)
rez sig

put helmet on!

[DE] · Mar 02, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

There's a difference between being creative (Racthoh's Assassin's Promise Monk Build) and being bad (the builds you've posted in other threads).

Arkantos · Mar 02, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

You don't fail by running an original build, you just run a subpar build for the sake of being original (assuming your original build is bad).

Miska Bow · Mar 02, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

I never had my heroes calling me noob for running weird skill bar (There's a hint hidden in that sentence)

Basically, I dont care what people say i should run or what is a good or bad elite or skill bar. My all around skill bar as Barrage AND Volley in it with Point blank shot and its twin from faction. Add to this Heart of the Holy Flame and i'm ready for Shard of Orr. Switch to a Charr slaying bow with a sundering string and i'm off to gring Vanguard rep.

I also use lots of PvE only skill but not ursan.''I'm the strongest'' Drunken master are also often on my bar. Cookie cutter or not, i dont care. But i know what you mean, I've been told more then once that barrage is not the best elite, but hey I,m playing it the way I want to play it and i'm not failling at it.

I'll never tell someone what to run unless that player want to play MM where there are no corpes. Even then i' ll politly advise him of what ahead so he can adjust.

Dont let people ruin your game. They dont like what I run? I say good luck and leave.

Weird builds? it works ? be sure i'm using it.

isamu kurosawa · Mar 02, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

In any balanced game that has been around for as long as gw has you get standards appearing as people have had time to work out the most efficient builds. The only thing that will cause standard builds to be replaced with new ones are new skills/professions being added, skill balances or in the case of PvE certain environment effects/monster skills that punnish the use of certain other skills.

using an IAS, speed boost etc in a build is just making use of game mechanics. Its just practical to choose the best of the bunch.

Splitisoda · Mar 02, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

This is why i H/H everything. My heroes don't give a crap on what I run. For petes sake.

Normally, If im in Pvp i run this
[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

I love surviving. I only use this because, I know that not EVERYONE want's to use the same build for years. I've NEVER EVER seen a different Mo build in RA then whats on wiki. I mean really, brains much? I don't expect people to be perfect. Note that i said people, not robot.

Sha Noran · Mar 02, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I'm just going to emphasize one portion of your fail: You seem to be ignoring/forgetting Observer Mode.

Pulling skillbars out of your ass and posting them on a forum doesn't carry much weight when people can watch high end games and find out what people are actually using to win, and how they're doing it too.

Splitisoda · Mar 02, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sha Noran

I'm just going to emphasize one portion of your fail: You seem to be ignoring/forgetting Observer Mode.

Pulling skillbars out of your ass and posting them on a forum doesn't carry much weight when people can watch high end games and find out what people are actually using to win, and how they're doing it too.

You seem to be forgetting that those are all cookie cutter builds. The OP wants creativity. pl0x

mrmango · Mar 02, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splitisoda

This is why i H/H everything. My heroes don't give a crap on what I run. For petes sake.

Normally, If im in Pvp i run this
[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

I love surviving. I only use this because, I know that not EVERYONE want's to use the same build for years. I've NEVER EVER seen a different Mo build in RA then whats on wiki. I mean really, brains much? I don't expect people to be perfect. Note that i said people, not robot.

But people can "survive" better with other things. And warriors do better than damage than anybody, why not do it well by adding IAS?

Scary Raebbit · Mar 03, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

If you want to survive, bring a monk to clean you up. Stop basing builds around Random Arenas.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 03, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Is there a reason to post something new? How many skills are available for the Warrior? Combine that with the available skills from your secondary profession? As long as you are filling the required attack, ias, speed, and res slots, the possibilities for experimentation are enormous. You can't honestly tell me that all of the great builds have been made. That said, Yukito Kunisaki, the biggest problem I see is that you feel the need to post builds over and over that you obviously aren't finished experimenting with. Design a build, play it into the ground, try to fix flaws, THEN post them on the forum for help or criticism. You could have put your last 4 threads into one if you had just spent a little more time trying your build out.

Coloneh · Mar 03, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Is there a reason to post something new?

not unless you have something better than the current meta. people use what they use because it works the best. people have had plenty of time to figure out what goes in a build. if you have better ideas feel free to share.

ZenRgy · Mar 03, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Welcome to Build Wars.

People make builds and use certain skills because they ARE better than others and are more efficient.

If you like to gimp yourself by swapping your bar for another that isn't as good, go ahead - just don't expect the general populace to run it over the tried and true cookie cutter.

Taurucis · Mar 03, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

When your own guild, comprised of people you've known for quite a while, cuts you down for creating an innovative build... you know that the flower of creativity has been crushed under the boot of "effectiveness" and is not likely to rise up again.

I run a plethora of really outlandish builds, such as pet warriors, and I'm going to try making a spear-user warrior. We all have "high end" to blame for the hatred of creativity.

Scary Raebbit · Mar 03, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

I guess when thinking "high end"=being good, then you will keep posting new builds that are not even more effective than tried and true.

Taurucis · Mar 03, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Just establishing my point that "good" can mean different things to different people ;]

Winterclaw · Mar 03, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

I'm not sure there'd be a reason to post something new until Izzy does something to drastically shape up the warrior metagame.

Crom The Pale · Mar 03, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Creativity is limited to PvE, it always has been and always will be.

You must run the most efficient build possible to win in high end PvP, given the current set of skills where it is fairly easy to rank each skill(ie you can pair two skills together that do the same thing and one will be superior to the other) most every player *should* be running very similar builds given the same weapon.

Given the random chance of what class/builds your likely to run up against there is always a chance you will put in some random skill, out side of accepted normal PvP builds, and it will be very effective.

Example having a war/necro bring Vocal Minority might seam godly if you run into an all paragon party, but otherwise its just a wasted skill slot.

Less radical changes to the "cookie cutter" builds work because they stick close to the core purpose of a war. Picture a Ride the Lightning hammer war, it looks good on paper but your basically swaping your elite hammer attack for an elite version shadow step skill.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 03, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Creativity is limited to PvE, it always has been and always will be.

Do you realize what you're saying? Think. If what you're saying is true, Then all of the builds we use today must have been created by A Net when they released each GW game/expansion. Actually, each and every build/tactic used in PVP/PVE were designed by players that strives to find a better, or different build/tactic than what was available at the time. Anyone that says that the builds we use now cannot be improved or changed for the better are either closed minded or ignorant. Here's a simpler example, where would we be today if MATH or IQ agreed with you and didn't attempt to improve strategies, skill bars and tactics?