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Rocky Raccoon · Feb 22, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

I keep seeing the term bad player pop up on this forum and I would like to know the definition of a bad player.

Flem · Feb 22, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

A bad player is an opinion and can't be defined. There will most likely be a lot of posts claiming to know what a bad player is, but they will just be assumptions and opinions.

Darkobra · Feb 22, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Anyone who refuses to adapt to the situation at hand. If they die through their overpulling, their poor choice of skills or just the mindset of immortality, yet STILL refuse to change their ways, that is pretty much the worst player you'll ever come across.

Abedeus · Feb 22, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Bad player is either a noob (right definition) or a person that has no skill, a newbie (bad definition).

Noob is someone that uses a bad build and doesn't want to change it, no matter how politely or well people will try to convince him. He thinks that defense = offense in PvP or uses an Ursan in pve.

Newbie is or is not using a bad build/uses it wrong, but if he doesn't know how to use it, yet he knows that he's bad and wants to improve. He also knows Ursan is not good for pve.

makosi · Feb 22, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

A combination of multiple negative personal attributes.

A 'bad player' and a new player are distinguishable because a newbie can be excused for his ignorance whereas a bad player retains his ignorance, bad habits and attitude throughout and shows little sign of adapting. For example, people still run Mending wammos in RA that have been playing for a long while despite widespread knowledge that is it a sub-par build with negligible damage and weak healing.

The same applies to people in HA and GvG who farmed fame and champion points with IWAY, Spiritway etc and have an inflated sense of self worth as a result. They fail to realise that their achievements are a result of exploiting imbalances and using builds straight from pvxwiki without applying any sort of real talent, skill or cooperation.

There's also a spectrum of maturity that contributes to a good and bad player. The whole "learn2play", "gtfo noob" and alike Internet clichés give players a bad reputation too.

Cebe · Feb 22, 2008, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Many people may explain a "bad player" as someone who does not play the most efficient build at all times, which is particularly prevalant on forums.

Characteristics I associate with "bad players" are rude and obnoxious people, and people who mess the game up for others, either intentionally or unintentionally, such as aggroing a mob when specifically asked not to because they can't be bothered to read the chat screen.

I have more patience with people now than I used to. I've done just about everything I really want to do so I try to help people out when I can, but some people refuse to be helped, usually because of one of two things - they are either lazy, or arrogant, but either way, refuse to change their ways.

Lazyness and arrogance are two key factors which makes someone "bad"...both scale with maturity in my opinion.

Trub · Feb 22, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flem

A bad player is an opinion and can't be defined. There will most likely be a lot of posts claiming to know what a bad player is, but they will just be assumptions and opinions.

Q F T..because this is a forum.
There are no 'bad' players.
There are no 'good' players.
It's a game..we gain skill through the challenges we set from the game's dynamics, and we win...or fail.
The description of good can mean: Skilled at the game mechanics, or good with a community being as it is multiplayer online game..

(This all is from my assumption you are meaning GW)

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Stockholm · Feb 22, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

A bad player is anyone who try's define what it is.

It is a very subjective subject and can not be defined.

Wish Swiftdeath · Feb 22, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

A bad player is somebody who doesn't learn from his mistakes and doesn't want to.

This is usually compounded by the fact that he's likely to be a prick.

Pleikki · Feb 22, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

There isnt such a thing like bad player in my opinion :d everyone just have own style :d

Bryant Again · Feb 22, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

A bad player is anyone who try's define what it is.

It is a very subjective subject and can not be defined.

And yet you just did : P

Cebe · Feb 22, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

There isnt such a thing like bad player in my opinion :d everyone just have own style :d

It always seems though that a player's reputation is no longer solely founded on his/her ability to play the game, but their respectfulness in the wider community. Those people who create arguments in towns, or forums, because they can, aren't "good". Games seldom seem like a closed environment any more, and you can be a great user of skills and applier of tactics, but you can be a rotten person to converse or debate with.

Jetdoc · Feb 22, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

A bad player, IMO, is someone that calls another player bad.

jwmercer · Feb 22, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Many people may explain a "bad player" as someone who does not play the most efficient build at all times, which is particularly prevalant on forums.

I consider someone a "bad player" when they have clearly been playing for a while and still never bother to read, and try to understand, what skills do before they create a build, and then think that no matter what you suggest, the build they have is "pure pwnage" because they've "used it since Seitung Harbor".

Other characteristics I associate with "bad players" are rude and obnoxious people, and people who mess the game up for others, either intentionally or unintentionally, such as aggroing a mob when specifically asked not to because they can't be bothered to read the chat screen.

I have more patience with people now than I used to. I've done just about everything I really want to do so I try to help people out when I can, but some people refuse to be helped, usually because of one of two things - they are either lazy, or arrogant, but either way, refuse to change their ways.

Lazyness and arrogance are two key factors which makes someone "bad"...both scale with maturity in my opinion.

Like Leeeerooooy Jenkins!!!! There are several kinds of bad players. Ones who don't try to understand the game and the dynamics that are inherent in it. Ones who act on their own with regard for the group. And Ones who are just plain rude.

The first group of "bad players" isn't that bad as it can be overcome with patience and practice. The other two are personality traits that are much more difficult to overcome.

A good player is one who is polite and friendly. They don't need to have the best builds or even the most unique ones, but they need to at least understand what their build does and why. Bad Builds can occur for lack of knowledge or because of a failed experiment. Either way, they can happen but that is the fun with this game.

Personally I'd rather play with people who have bad builds but are polite and friendly and nice versus playing with someone who has an awesome build but I can't stand. Just kicking someone from a group because a build doesn't meet "your approval" is rude and wrong. Ask them to change it nicely. Suggest alternatives. If they can't because they don't have a certain skill, try to move other skills around in the team to compensate.

just my 2 cents worth.

Stockholm · Feb 22, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And yet you just did : P

When your god (sorry should be good), your really good.

quickmonty · Feb 22, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

To misquote something that was once said about pornography ......

I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

I play with either H/H or guild/alliance members. No bad players, just some that need advice and guidance.

Perkunas · Feb 22, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Bad Player - knows better, but does it anyway

Noob - Don't like the word. Rubs me wrong way when I see it used. Like using the 'N' word for a certain race of people. (IMO)

Newbie = uneducated in a given environment, whether it be a game, job, forums, etc

Halmyr · Feb 22, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

A bad player is like porn, you know it when you see it

One of my Universty proffessor actualy made a very similar quote

just replace "bad player" with "war'

Olim Chill · Feb 22, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

A bad player is somebody who doesn't learn from his mistakes and doesn't want to.

I'd agree with that. I'd also stretch the term to cover any player who intentionally ruins the game for others - regardless of how "good" they are.

Still...it's all pretty subjective.

6am3 Fana71c · Feb 22, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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What is a bad player?

YOUR MOM LOLOLO

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Right, but seriously, if you need a definition for that... /sigh
Just go to RA, you'll see.