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Oofus · Mar 16, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

The definition of perfect is 20/20, 15^50 and +30.

You loose!

At OP; Any req8 with any perfect inherent bonus mod(s) = a "perfect" item. Anyone who tells you different, in game or in this thread, is wrong... period.

Mods are irrelevant. You can have perfect mods on a perfect weapon, but a req8 15^50 Fellblade with NO mods is still "perfect". Added mods are a matter of preference and hold no bearing on the perfection of the item itself.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 16, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

E-Peeeeen, go go go!

/thread

ithinkimighthavetwelvecharsnow

Sam of Honor · Mar 16, 2008, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by Fatal Fury

just a brute sword req 11, 15^50 in where u said it wasnt "perfect"

Thank you for proving yourself wrong. A brute sword with only 15^50 is not perfect. It has one perfect mod. The other mod was not perfect. It also did not have an inscription.

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Originally Posted by Fatal Fury

Another funny thing is, u never explained to be why those specific 20/20 +30 mods are considered "perfect."

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Perfect

Dumbass.

arcanemacabre · Mar 16, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

So, if a sword is perfect, and nobody cares, is it still perfect?

Noel Hope · Mar 16, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

The perfect weapon? ... Well it has to be tasty!

... Oh and 15^50, 20/20 +30 or +5 20/20 20%

Master Knightfall · Mar 16, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

How much is a 10r Fellblade worth with +15^50 mod? <grin> I jest got one to drop. Oh it's inscribeable also not one of those oldschool ones.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 16, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

As far as I know, I'm the only player to own a truly 'perfect' weapon- the Soul Wedding sword.

You can all stop posting crap/pety discussion now.

Dante the Warlord · Mar 16, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Fatal Fury

Sundering > Vamp??!!!? is this what your trying to say??!!

The only this is possible if the mod doesnt do what it says and instead of 20/20 it does 20/100 lmao, dont make me laugh plz

Well hes somewhat right. Sundering isn't "useless". Its only bad for low damaging weapons. Weapons like scythes and I think hammers are two good options for using sundering. This is because they can spike. say you hit 41 dmg on a scythe AND the sundering takes effect, the net gain will be ALOT. But the same can't be said on a sword, where the damage max is 22, which is why vampiric is preferred since the net damage is better.

Sundering isn't terrible, just used in few cases..

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

As far as I know, I'm the only player to own a truly 'perfect' weapon- the Soul Wedding sword.

You can all stop posting crap/pety discussion now.

Sorry being a total noob, even though im a pretty old player, but what is a Soul Wedding sword? Im thinking it is a promotional sword from the early days?

Anyways, the TRUE perfect sword is anything that fits you build, plus mods make very little difference, its funny to see people paying 10k more for a "perfect mod" the one that is a little bit off, considering them "crap". As well as 15^unconditional

, now THOSE are truly perfect swords.

Fatal Fury · Mar 16, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Sam of Honor

Thank you for proving yourself wrong. A brute sword with only 15^50 is not perfect. It has one perfect mod. The other mod was not perfect. It also did not have an inscription.

Ummm if i do recall, it was clean, all that was left on there was the 15^50 inscription

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Originally Posted by Sam of Honor

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Perfect

Dumbass.

ROFLMAO you just made yourself look like the dumbass, that link shows examples of perfect mods........not that, (for a weapon to be considered perfect) the weapon HAS to have 20/20 +30 modds

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Originally Posted by Wiki

"Perfect" is used to describe weapons, armor, and weapon upgrades with the maximum possible stats or bonuses for its type.

Perfect weapons are sometimes referred to as weapons with a 20/20 sundering, +30 Health and a 15^50 mod/inscription. This may not be true, in that sense that different weapons are good for different purposes and in different areas.

Retrieved from "http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Perfect"

They just happen to use 20/20 +30 modds cuz they're the most fancy modds there is and people are alrdy used to them. Too bad some people make it hard to let it go like someone

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Originally Posted by Oofus

Mods are irrelevant. You can have perfect mods on a perfect weapon, but a req8 15^50 Fellblade with NO mods is still "perfect". Added mods are a matter of preference and hold no bearing on the perfection of the item itself.

lol couldn't say it better myself

Danax · Mar 16, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

A perfect weapon is one that suits my build. My Ebon charr flatbow of fortitude is as good as your ebon Tormented flatbow of fortitude. I don't care about skins very much if they wont matter in GW2. Sorry, no matter what weapon skin I have, Mhenlo doesn't care.

Enko · Mar 16, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

The only reason why people now assume 20/20, +30 hp equal perfect now is because 20/20 sundering mods and +30 hp mods are just mods that are harder to find. Again, the rarity thing comes into play. Since 20/20s and +30s were more expensive, a lot of people who don't understand the mechanics of the game came to think that because they were more expensive, they were therefore better.

Many people who try to sell weapons toss on a 20/20 and a +30 in hopes of getting attention to their item but they don't realize that most people are going to put whatever mods they want themselves and would rather have a clean item. They are under the misconception that tossing a 20/20 and/or a +30 will increase the value of the item by more than what a 20/20 and a +30 mod cost themselves. Personally, if I see someone selling a weapon that has a 20/20 or a +30 on it, that drops the price I offer for it.

As far as most people that trade often (and do well) are concerned, the only attributes that affect the price are:
Max Damage
Color (ie gold, purple, blue)
Rarity of skin
Req (again lower reqs cost more since req 7-9s of an item are harder to find than req 10s-13s)
Inscription slot or Inherent mod (for non inscribables)

When I sell things, I don't say anything beyond the skin, the req, and the damage mod if its inherent. Max damage, Gold, and inscribable are usually assumed and if any of those are different, only then will I say it. Most people with money and actually know how much to pay for items only need to know those few things.

MsMassacre · Mar 16, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

If you made me pick what "perfect" meant on a weapon, I'd expect 15>50, +30hp, 20/20 sundering. I don't use those all the time, and think both sundering and 15>50 are overrated, but that seems to be the most common definition. Refering to a weapon as perfect when it's lacking a mod or has one or more junky mods is misleading, no matter how good the skin/req/inscription/other mods are. At the very least, to qualify as perfect, a weapon would need max damage, both mods and the inscription maxed out.

Try actually listing the STATS when you sell an item rather than using the word "perfect." Personally, I never respond to sellers who use that word because they're either A. using a different definition of perfect than I am, B. lying, or C. expecting way too much money for their item. Sometimes a combination thereof.

Sam of Honor · Mar 17, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Fatal Fury

ROFLMAO you just made yourself look like the dumbass, that link shows examples of perfect mods........not that, (for a weapon to be considered perfect) the weapon HAS to have 20/20 +30 modds

They just happen to use 20/20 +30 modds cuz they're the most fancy modds there is and people are alrdy used to them. Too bad some people make it hard to let it go like someone

Uh. Please open your eyes.

""Perfect" is used to describe weapons, armor, and weapon upgrades with the maximum possible stats or bonuses for its type."

You did not have the maximum possible stat or bonus for the pommel or the hilt. Hence, imperfect.

Fatal Fury · Mar 17, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Sam of Honor

Uh. Please open your eyes.

""Perfect" is used to describe weapons, armor, and weapon upgrades with the maximum possible stats or bonuses for its type."

You did not have the maximum possible stat or bonus for the pommel or the hilt. Hence, imperfect.

.........lol i didnt have a pommel nor a hilt on the brute

kazjun · Mar 17, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

If it was me, I'd buy the fellblade. But that's just cause I like how fells look. So only the skin means anything to me.

The req means nothing to me. If I'm hitting things, my weap is at least 14 (or 12 on my thumper). If I'm in a caster set (obby tanking) than my points are pretty much 0, or whatever's left over. So req8 or 9, worthless to me. Just e-peen.

As for inscriptions/inherents, since both are 15^50 than both are fine to me. Sure, an inherent 15^50 is worth more than an inscription slot, but I wouldn't really pay that much extra for something that's worth about 2k.

I don't like sundering on swords, though I suppose you could gamble on the chance to get a sundering crit hit with final thrust for a spike kill. But furious ain't that flash, and you could always salvage off the sunder and sell it to others. Which you can't do as easily with furious.

Likewise with a +5 and the +30. If you don't like them, you can salvage them off, but a +5 is hard to sell and even then what's it worth? 500g? A +30 is easy to sell and you get a couple of k at least. As for use, a warrior's got high armour already, and it isn't 4-5 hp less over time that kills me. It's getting spiked the first time I run into a mob. So +30 all the way. And that's not even mentioning that you can use a +30 as a pvp weapon, where you'll face more armour ignoring spike damage than a warrior likes to face. If you're a caster than armour would be preferred.

But if you're using it as a caster, you'd probably go the enchant mod, and keep some cheap green for a weap swap if you want a high health set. So not all that valuable, especially since the fell isn't set as a caster weap anyway.

So, I'd say your skin is the most valuable thing out of the two weaps, but his mods are worth more than yours. That's just for me anyway. Hmm, it was a fell right? Cause a brute just isn't as smexxy.

Velise_Snowtorm · Mar 17, 2008, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Enko

Many people who try to sell weapons toss on a 20/20 and a +30 in hopes of getting attention to their item but they don't realize that most people are going to put whatever mods they want themselves and would rather have a clean item.

I'm not a weapon collector, so I only buy items that I will actually use. I absolutely agree that I want to buy the skin only and mod to my preference.

However, I think true collectors do want "perfects", so there's always a market for them. Also more casual gamers who don't do a lot of forum or Wiki browsing just accept that what the community defines as "perfect" really is the best setup for all weapons.