Curse

Malice Black · Mar 15, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

To all the idiots in this thread...
His sword is a non inscribable req 8 fellblade with 15^50 inhereint mod (drop from prophecies) and +5 armor and a furious mod.

The people who say his weapon are useless are the same people as the guy selling the wingblade. You don't realize that weapon mods have NO impact on the value of the weapon. His fellblade is worth way more then the other sword.

Honestly, most people trying to spam trade in Kamadon have no idea what the heck they are talking about and try to sell the same item way overpriced for 4 hours (WTS req 11 long sword 100k+80 ectos).

Sums it up nicely.

Old school req8 anything > new shit

JONO51 · Mar 15, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

His Fellblade is worth more than the other guys, but I dont think the mods are useful (I would still chose that fellblde over the other one though. IMO +30>+5ar as +5ar does nothing against degen or armor ignoring damage, so having +30 I'd say you would survive longer on average.

Skyy High · Mar 15, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

To all the idiots in this thread...
His sword is a non inscribable req 8 fellblade with 15^50 inhereint mod (drop from prophecies) and +5 armor and a furious mod.

The people who say his weapon are useless are the same people as the guy selling the wingblade. You don't realize that weapon mods have NO impact on the value of the weapon. His fellblade is worth way more then the other sword.

Honestly, most people trying to spam trade in Kamadon have no idea what the heck they are talking about and try to sell the same item way overpriced for 4 hours (WTS req 11 long sword 100k+80 ectos).

What he said.

Seriously, mods don't matter; if you really want a high valued weapon w/ sundering, you'd do better to buy the req8 fellblade and mod it yourself, rather than buy the "perfect" req9 and never be able to change that. I never understood why people bother modding weapons at all; chances are the the person who wants to buy it is just going to salvage off the sundering and replace it with something...useful. Heck, why do people bother putting 15^50 inscriptions on weapons they're selling, they think the person buying it can't find one for 1k if that's what they want? Req, color, skin, and dmg mod if it's not inscribable, that's all that matters.

Bowstring Badass · Mar 15, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Unknown Warrior

+5 armor doesn't do what you said it does. Read this:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor_rating
to better understand the armor rating system. +5 armor really doesn't do anything. This leads me to agree with Master Knightfall... your sword really is useless.

Also, sundering is much better than furious statistically and in practice. But hey, it's your preference.

And about your conversation with Admael, you can't compare the two weapons like that. The two extra mods on the kid's sword make it exponentially better than yours.

And the fact that you said sundering... Vamp > sundering...

And the +5 mod and other stuff can be changed making this sword worth more then your potato peeler.

Unknown Warrior · Mar 15, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

And the fact that you said sundering... Vamp > sundering...

And the +5 mod and other stuff can be changed making this sword worth more then your potato peeler.

I never said sundering was better than vamp, i said sundering was better than furious.

Plus, i dont have a potato peeler, i have a perfect q9 crystalline skin. i have no idea what you call a potato peeler, but i don't believe my sword is a potato peeler.

On another note, i dont think the debate is even about the value between the two, its obvious the fellblade is worth more, but in practicality of the matter, the perfect sword is more useful.

MithranArkanere · Mar 15, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

For me, 'perfect' means just 'perfect base'.
That is,
- Max damage.
- Max common properties (those that all items of the same type share: max damage in weapons, 20%HSR in staves, 12 energy in foci, 16 armor in shields, 10% armor penetration in hornbows, etc.
- Req 9 or less
- Inscribable. If I cannot upgrade fully change all variable properties the weapon has no use for me. If I have to get another weapon if someday I decide to change a 15^50% into a +5 energy, I'd rather get another weapon instead one without inscription slot. With the current storage, I cannot afford to have 10 weapons when I can have 3 with inscriptions, since I only change them once in a while.

Then any upgrades are paid separately, like purchased one by one.

bhavv · Mar 15, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

A weapon loses ALL of its value when you pay to buy one just for E peen and Aesthetics.

the value in a great skinned weapon with decent stats is when it drops and you get that super 'OMG YAAAAAAAY' feeling.

If you just buy them, you lose that value.

I farmed just about all of my weapons on my elly and my monk, and and now doing the same on my mesmer. I handed down an uncustomised Mindclouder and Kaolin Domination staff from my Elly, and a Gold Q9 insp dragon spire staff that dropped in a HM dungeon and I kept for Gwen.

I will never buy weapons in this game. I did do at first untill I discovered the value of them dropping. I use whatever drops for me on my characters an my heroes. I have 4 PVE's now so thats plenty of heroes to equip.

I even have customised Kanaxais Edge and Kanaxais Mallet on my Elly that dropped for me when I played my monk several times in the deep. Also I spent two days solid farming Kunvies Air staff, and less time for Kaolin Water staff, Ragos Staff (My first elly green), Galigords Staff and still want Shekoss' staff on my elly, and countless others on my monk.

I love it when they drop. Buying them just destroys that feeling.

This picture is a year old now, I think I have about double this many greens in total now and several golds on my monk. Also I have the Golds / Greens you get in Gwen ofc:

All self farmed except for the Galigords Weps. I did green for green trades for them and the Runar Brimstone Air greens back when we only had prophecies. I merched the Runar Brimstone weps (they were customised) and sold the offhand after I got Kunvies Air Staff.

I also need to farm lots more Totem axes and Byzzr's benedicions for my extra monk heroes, and also some Exuros Wills for my elly ones

Sam of Honor · Mar 15, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Wow. So I was going to avoid coming back to this thread after he linked me, but I definitely need to respond, this is going way off topic. This is my side of the story. He was selling "Perfect Gold Weapons" in LA, so I whisper him and ask to see them. One was a sword with non-perfect mods/inscription (for example: +24hp instead of +30hp). The other was a shield with a non-perfect inscription/mods (for example: received physical damage -1 while hexed instead of -5/20). Those are just examples, I forgot what his mods were (they were nothing good, though). I was upset because I was expecting some perfect gold items to buy.

I never claimed that my sword was worth more, I don't know why he brought that up. I wasn't discussing the "value of a weapon" as the thread title states, I was discussing his use of the terminology "perfect" and how he was falsely advertising.

I never claimed that my sword "trumped" his. I simply said my sword was "perfect". And it is, because it has all perfect mods/inscriptions.

That's my side of the story.

It's ridiculous he even made a thread in attempts to ridicule me, when the thread isn't even related to the debate I was having with him.

Skyy High · Mar 15, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

There's a distinct difference between "personal value" and "market value". The collector bow that you use to get through 3 campaigns may have personal value to you, but it'll also have zero market value. Since we're clearly talking about the value of selling these swords, bringing up personal value really isn't relevant at all. Yay, you like getting the weapons you use yourself, good to hear it, but talking about that in a thread about the relative market value of weapons is missing the point by miles.

take_me · Mar 15, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

It will never change........

I have seen too many people who found or bought a req9 Dead Sword (only an example) and modded it with 20/20 +30 15^50 and they thought selling this Sword will make them rich, only to hear from others that even the "Strength and Honor"-Inscription is worth more than the sword itself.....

It's just a wrong belief by not-so-experienced traders, who see rare swords go for huge prices and maybe they assume it's because of the mods.....

Few days ago I was selling one of my Elemental Swords unmodded (or.. how I found it).
I showed it to a guy and he immediately said: "It's not perfect".
I only replied: "So what? Then buy the mods you want and add them."

So I would say..... Maybe, just maybe it is easier to sell a weapon with 20/20 or +30, but you won't get more money in the end.... and you will lose potential buyers, who might be looking for your item, but with very different mods.... They won't whisper you or pay for unwanted mods....

Dante the Warlord · Mar 15, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

In term of damage, yea his is better, but in terms of rarity, yours is definitely superior. 10/10 ( old school sundering?) with a inherit of +5 is totally awesome. Plus its a rare skinned fellblade and a req 8!. Not sure if the +5energy goes along well with the sundering, you should just make it a caster weap.

Diddy bow · Mar 15, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

20/20 is moar leet nub

But yea, wammos are stupid so are their weapons.

HawkofStorms · Mar 16, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Fatal Fury

well im trying to sell low rated weapons in LA

@Sam_of_Honor
He was never claiming his non-perfect weapons were perfect.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 16, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Vamp > sundering

I believe it has already been statistically proven with the Master of Damage and some excel spreadsheet or other than Sundering results in higher damage for swords, axes, scythes, hammers, and possibly the other physical weapons as well, with the single exception of daggers.

Fatal Fury · Mar 16, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Sam of Honor

Wow. So I was going to avoid coming back to this thread after he linked me, but I definitely need to respond, this is going way off topic. This is my side of the story. He was selling "Perfect Gold Weapons" in LA, so I whisper him and ask to see them. One was a sword with non-perfect mods/inscription (for example: +24hp instead of +30hp). The other was a shield with a non-perfect inscription/mods (for example: received physical damage -1 while hexed instead of -5/20). Those are just examples, I forgot what his mods were (they were nothing good, though). I was upset because I was expecting some perfect gold items to buy.

I never claimed that my sword was worth more, I don't know why he brought that up. I wasn't discussing the "value of a weapon" as the thread title states, I was discussing his use of the terminology "perfect" and how he was falsely advertising.

I never claimed that my sword "trumped" his. I simply said my sword was "perfect". And it is, because it has all perfect mods/inscriptions.

That's my side of the story.

It's ridiculous he even made a thread in attempts to ridicule me, when the thread isn't even related to the debate I was having with him.

lol thats funny cuz i dont remmember showing u a shield........just a brute sword req 11, 15^50 in where u said it wasnt "perfect" because it wasnt req 9 or below and tried showing off with your.....ugh....wingblade, so u continued blabering on how my blade is crap till i showed u my Fell, and u also called that crap in the heat of a hard headed situation where u claimed ur blade "can" trump mine. Another funny thing is, u never explained to be why those specific 20/20 +30 mods are considered "perfect." Pretty much the whole main idea of this argument. Disreguarding the skin and mods, i'l slip the incription in there since mine is oldschool.

A req8 max 15^50 sword is better than a req 9 one, simple as that. Main reason is, to reach its set dmg, u can save an attribute point for something else.

HawkofStorms · Mar 16, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I believe it has already been statistically proven with the Master of Damage and some excel spreadsheet or other than Sundering results in higher damage for swords, axes, scythes, hammers, and possibly the other physical weapons as well, with the single exception of daggers.

Incorrect.
12 char

And actually Fatal Fury, the reason a req 8 is better then a 9 isn't because you can investe attributes elsewhere (who the heck specs less then 12 in a martial weapon?), but because they drop less frequently, and are thus rarer, and thus more expensive (basic supply and demand).

Fatal Fury · Mar 16, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

And actually Fatal Fury, the reason a req 8 is better then a 9 isn't because you can investe attributes elsewhere (who the heck specs less then 12 in a martial weapon?), but because they drop less frequently, and are thus rarer, and thus more expensive (basic supply and demand).

So u mean to tell me in a build that doesnt use your weapon but you dont have nothing else to use and nowhere else to spend 8 points of attribute, a req 8 sword wouldnt be more uselful than a req 9 one lol.

I do agree with you about rarity, but you have to look at the fact why its rarer

There are builds out there that doesnt use you your weapon, a great example is the steady tank build.

Fatal Fury · Mar 16, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I believe it has already been statistically proven with the Master of Damage and some excel spreadsheet or other than Sundering results in higher damage for swords, axes, scythes, hammers, and possibly the other physical weapons as well, with the single exception of daggers.

Sundering > Vamp??!!!? is this what your trying to say??!!

The only this is possible if the mod doesnt do what it says and instead of 20/20 it does 20/100 lmao, dont make me laugh plz

Kerwyn Nasilan · Mar 16, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

In PvE mods matter very little. This entire thread is turning into a flame fest/another furiousvs.sunderingvs.vamparicvs.ecx. thread. And to add my opinion I would choose your sword over his anyday. Although not any more usefull oldschool req.8 fellblade FTW.

arcanemacabre · Mar 16, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Fatal Fury

There are builds out there that doesnt use you your weapon, a great example is the steady tank build.

If you're not using the weapon, why do you need any points in your weapon mastery at all? Seems like a waste of 7-8 attribute points any way you cut it.

The only weapon I could see being mildly useful with 7-8 attributes is a bow, and only in certain builds like trappers and beast masters. Shields can be incredibly useful as r7-8, and I always hang on to those when I get them (got 3 r8's right now). But swords, axes, hammers, scythes, daggers, spears and staves/wands/foci really don't matter, and have just a rarity value attached.