Curse

~ Dan ~ · Mar 16, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Wow what's with all the bickering in here? The OP's question refers to PvE, so it doesn't matter when people pop up with "oh i have 350hp but i'm leet and pve is hard so low hp is gud". They can't have a valid argument as to why that's viable, because anything works in PvE.

All i can say is, those people need to go PvP with < 500 to learn the value of health. End of discussion really.

Maximumraver · Mar 16, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I have no idea, somewhere around 490-530 in PvE on my ele.

Esan · Mar 16, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

You know, I would love to have read a decent thread analysing the pros and cons of various HP figures. However, this thread is just an endless stream of "XXX hp 12 chars" posts. What conceivable purpose does this thread serve? Who actually reads this rubbish?

Talarian · Mar 16, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by Esan

You know, I would love to have read a decent thread analysing the pros and cons of various HP figures. However, this thread is just an endless stream of "XXX hp 12 chars" posts. What conceivable purpose does this thread serve? Who actually reads this rubbish?

I'm gonna go with you did...

Hailey Anne · Mar 16, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by cgruber

Ok now let's hear a valid arguement for running sub 400 health that doesn't rely on having protective spirit or shelter up.

Only char I use prot spirit on is my monk. My other chars dont use it.
And I STILL have survivor and am STILL the last person to die in any given group. PvE is so easy you dont need alot of health.
If you suck that bad that you need to rely on alot of hp maybe you should uninstall GW.

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

lol that is such a dumb response.

I pvp with my pve chars so they are all above 600 hp

How was it a dumb response? If you suck bad enough to where you need to rely on that much HP then read above.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

They:

1) Don't play hard mode. Ever.
2) Run around with their monk spamming PS on them.

I'd rather have 600hp so that i can freely do hard mode without perma PS.

Wrong on both accounts. PvE is SOOOOO damn easy.
You really dont need alot of hp you just need to know how to play.

HawkofStorms · Mar 16, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne

Only char I use prot spirit on is my monk. My other chars dont use it.
And I STILL have survivor and am STILL the last person to die in any given group. PvE is so easy you dont need alot of health.
If you suck that bad that you need to rely on alot of hp maybe you should uninstall GW.

I think he means running prot spirit on your hero monks.
He's not saying your W/Mos should be brining it.

Hailey Anne · Mar 16, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

I think he means running prot spirit on your hero monks.
He's not saying your W/Mos should be brining it.

I know what hes saying. And im saying I dont have Prot Spirit with me. Only in HM do I have myself or a hero bring it. NM is too easy to worry about it.
And I dont use warriors. Wammos ftl.

Robbins · Mar 16, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

I run all Survivors.
So around 610.

7 Extra energy won't save your arse if you're beginning to wipe.

if you cast seed of life it can save the whole party from a wipe

WinterSnowblind · Mar 16, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

My warrior has 575. Much more than that and you're just sacrificing far better stat bonuses.

Gorebrex · Mar 16, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

405 on mine, 9/10 times. Sup rune for whatevers the most important to the build Im using. I also try to have a couple damage mitigation skills to make the monks job easier. And a rez. Always a rez. Kept a group I was in a couple days ago from wiping against Glint.
PS. Im not sure how you find PvE so easy Hailey. Maybe its because Ive yet to use one of the cookie cutter builds, but mine work ok in a good group.

DDL · Mar 16, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Wow what's with all the bickering in here? The OP's question refers to PvE, so it doesn't matter when people pop up with "oh i have 350hp but i'm leet and pve is hard so low hp is gud". They can't have a valid argument as to why that's viable, because anything works in PvE.

All i can say is, those people need to go PvP with < 500 to learn the value of health. End of discussion really.

It seems a little rich to complain about bickering when you seem unable to comment on anything without jumping on the "OMG PVE SO EASY, ME SO AWESOME" bandwagon. "Anything" does not work in PvE: try 8 armourless level 4 monks with empty skillbars in the ring of fire. Would that work? No.

If your only real response to a PvE-oriented question is to point out how god-damn manly you are with all your PvP awesomeness, then just don't post.

Low health (even 1HP) CAN work in PvE, and work very very well, thus low health suggestions are entirely valid. As are high health suggestions. As are the whole range of healths inbetween. In both NM and HM. You can't mock people for using low health when your only defense is "LOL WOULDN'T WORK IN PVP", that's like mocking someone for using a 55 monk because it wouldn't work in a heavy degen/lifesteal area. Well, DUH. People use low health in PvE because it's a valid, workable, and often wise decision in PvE. You're essentially mocking people for choosing builds appropriate to the situation, which is...the POINT of GW.

So please, try and comment without mocking people or trying to make yourself "luk gud" (this applies to everyone). Remember, the value of health in PvP is utterly utterly meaningless if you're not going to PvP.

miskav · Mar 16, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

620 on my monk, 550 on the rest.

Monk Gsb · Mar 16, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

i only realy use my monk in pve, i have 540 in my 40/40 set and 600 in my sheild set.

MasterSasori · Mar 16, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Most of my characters have 550+ HP. Energy boost is useful for certain classes, but overall I'd prefer my HP high and less nonsensical spamming (though spamming sometimes=crazy fun).

~ Dan ~ · Mar 16, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by DDL

It seems a little rich to complain about bickering when you seem unable to comment on anything without jumping on the "OMG PVE SO EASY, ME SO AWESOME" bandwagon. "Anything" does not work in PvE: try 8 armourless level 4 monks with empty skillbars in the ring of fire. Would that work? No.

Within reason. Obviously you had to exaggerate a teeny bit to make your point noticed. Basically, low health is bad, but will work in PvE because it's so damn easy.

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If your only real response to a PvE-oriented question is to point out how god-damn manly you are with all your PvP awesomeness, then just don't post.

I was actually posting to point out that PvE being used as an excuse to use stupidly low health isn't valid, because anything (within reason, as you fail to grasp the point) will work in PvE.

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Low health (even 1HP) CAN work in PvE, and work very very well

Yeah, a 1 HP bip. It's meant to have lower HP to minimize sacrifice costs. Use your brain.

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that's like mocking someone for using a 55 monk because it wouldn't work in a heavy degen/lifesteal area.

I rarely see people using 55hp monks when doing missions and shit. Stop confusing specific farming (ya know, the same builds that use skills such as mending) with general PvE.

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Well, DUH. People use low health in PvE because it's a valid, workable, and often wise decision in PvE. You're essentially mocking people for choosing builds appropriate to the situation, which is...the POINT of GW.

Mocking this, mocking that. Please know what you're talking about. As bolded.. of course it's workable. Because as i've said 140757 times, and another 19057427589789 people have said before: PvE in GW is so easy.

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So please, try and comment without mocking people or trying to make yourself "luk gud" (this applies to everyone). Remember, the value of health in PvP is utterly utterly meaningless if you're not going to PvP.

Please try and comment without saying mocking in every sentence. I was mocking no-one. Simply stating that if joe bloggs thinks it's a good idea to run 3 sup runes, he should go try that in PvP. PvP in GW is where the skill is at. If you think your 300hp is good just because you're not going to PvP.. you're still baed at this game.

UltimaSlash · Mar 16, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

650 on ursan/530 on HB

Dr Strangelove · Mar 16, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Simply stating that if joe bloggs thinks it's a good idea to run 3 sup runes, he should go try that in PvP. PvP in GW is where the skill is at. If you think your 300hp is good just because you're not going to PvP.. you're still baed at this game.

QFT. Nothing is going to intentionally spike the crap out of you in PvE, so high health isn't that big a deal. It helps make your monks more efficient, but it's not that vital. As long as you're not down crazy low and stacking up DP, you'll be fine.

An old guildie of mine took a 380 health ele into the Deep a long time ago. Things were going fine until he died once, then everything that touched him instagibbed him. In the depletion room, he kept getting killed by the 100ish damage from the room effect. That sucked, hard.

In PvP, I can instantly tell who's running health in the 400s when I'm monking, because those people are dead.

As for Hailey Anne the squishy survivor, what benefits are you gaining from running triple superior runes? I can understand a single rune working well at times, but the cost of 3 is pretty huge for essentially no gains.

Stranger The Ranger · Mar 16, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Ranger: 535
Assassin: 525
Necro: 505
Dervish: 535/560 (depending on runes)

Something like this iirc.

arcanemacabre · Mar 16, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Simply stating that if joe bloggs thinks it's a good idea to run 3 sup runes, he should go try that in PvP. PvP in GW is where the skill is at. If you think your 300hp is good just because you're not going to PvP.. you're still baed at this game.

But the title says "How much HP do you run in PvE?" - how is what you said relevant at all?

Hailey Anne · Mar 16, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

But the title says "How much HP do you run in PvE?" - how is what you said relevant at all?

Exactly...its not.
PvE and PvP are 2 seperate issues. In PvE for the most part you really dont need a whole lot of hp. its easy as hell.
So you people really need to stop bringing up PvP.