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sj1608 · Mar 24, 2008, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Hey, I just have a couple of points regarding Texmod and it's effect on the state of Guild Wars. Just looking for a reasonable discussion. I'm kind of worried about the effects that Texmod has on PvP. I was going through a list of mods that you can upload previously made by other people, and found items like spirit ranges, adrenaline icon boosters, etc. Believe me, I think this is all awesome that people are finding fun, new ways of improving their playtime on GW, but what if someone goes too far? There are highly skilled people out there that could potentially create such a program or mod that it gives them an unfair advantage in PvP. Currently there is a "Fog of War" mod and with some time and skill, wouldn't it be possible to create a map during GvG that you could potentially see in the observe mode where every position of the other team is?
Also, from what I can see, the economy is dropping. Fast. Armbrace for 100k +7e and the guy was there for hours spamming in Kamadan. When people are able to customize their armor and weapons to the point where it is unrecognizable, I think the demand for certain items drop.
Of course, I could be a complete idiot. I really enjoy using Texmod as well, but in my opinion, A.Net should place CERTAIN restrictions on Texmod, especially for the PvP area.
Please feel free to flame, point out, make fun of, etc.
It's a discussion

-Sj1608

Brayolnne · Mar 24, 2008, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Ok, I'm not sure how this topic is going to go because the use of TexMod is either loved or hated by GW players in general.

I don't think that Anet needs to take any steps at this point. Besides the fact that GW 2 is on the horizon, no one currently has a known mod that abuses things. I think their was one previously and the loophole it took advantage of was closed. As for preventing future abuse, just ask the Anti-Virus industry how well that works.

-Loki- · Mar 24, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Brayolnne

I don't think that Anet needs to take any steps at this point. Besides the fact that GW 2 is on the horizon, no one currently has a known mod that abuses things.

Highlighting fog of war so you know what you have missed. Very easily. Not that I'm against it, but there's one.

jonnieboi05 · Mar 24, 2008, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by sj1608

wouldn't it be possible to create a map during GvG that you could potentially see in the observe mode where every position of the other team is?

negative. observor mode has a 5 (or was it 10?) minute delay from when the match starts to where it hits the list. so, no worries there. ANet did this on purpose so people could not cheat in GvG's.

~LeNa~

DarkNecrid · Mar 24, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Well, TexMod can't create anything except modifying textures that are already there, and they have to be there to exist and work.

This leaves only model modification, UI skinning, and....that's really about it.

The things you mentioned (Spirit Ranges, Adrenaline UI changer, meter at 50/80% HP, etc.) will only help out the beginning player, as anyone in the intermediate to high level will only find this information redundant, as they can determine at a glance the same information without being distracted.

sj1608 · Mar 24, 2008, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

negative. observor mode has a 5 (or was it 10?) minute delay from when the match starts to where it hits the list. so, no worries there. ANet did this on purpose so people could not cheat in GvG's.

~LeNa~

yah but the information is all there. its just not shown on your mini map. the other team has their own mini map with all their char's locations. A.Net, no offense, but theyve been outdone before like the armbrace dupe. they sed it's not possible to dupe in this game , but some1 found a way.

Omnidragon42 · Mar 24, 2008, 10:35 AM // 10:35

I play with texmod constantly. I have a streamlined interface mod as well as cartography mods for whichever campaign I'm playing on at the moment. Also have spirit range at all times. I use these when pveing and pvping. I've been playing for 30 months.

Do these mods make me a better player? I don't think so. sure I can tell the exact range I need to be away from Tranquility before I cast my enchantments, and it helped me get my Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer (my first 100% carto title). But I think there's two things to consider here:

1. Is it giving me a huge advantage in pvp?
I don't think it is. The only real difference in pvp is the spirit radar range, which is pretty obvious anyway, just from looking at the wiki article on it. Because (as DarkNecrid said) TexMod only modifies textures that are already available, there's no real way to gain additional information that wouldn't help you. I also have a 50% mark on my compass, for ZB and WoH, but before texmod, I had my exp bar shrunk down and at the 50% mark, so I've always known where that is.
2. Does it affect you?
I'm a big fan of letting people play the game how they want to play it, as long as it doesn't affect me. Also to cite the OP's point about the economy, I buy my weapons and armors for how I want them to be visible to other players, which TexMod doesn't do. So I don't think it will have a huge impact on the economy.

I think Anet should focus on GW2, and not fix what isn't broken.

DarkNecrid · Mar 24, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by sj1608

yah but the information is all there. its just not shown on your mini map. the other team has their own mini map with all their char's locations. A.Net, no offense, but theyve been outdone before like the armbrace dupe. they sed it's not possible to dupe in this game , but some1 found a way.

don't talk if you don't know how the freaking program works, jesus.

pamelf · Mar 24, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by sj1608

yah but the information is all there. its just not shown on your mini map. the other team has their own mini map with all their char's locations. A.Net, no offense, but theyve been outdone before like the armbrace dupe. they sed it's not possible to dupe in this game , but some1 found a way.

That isn't really the way the Texmod works...It changes textures only, therefore you can only see the things that are on your screen anyway. You could change the enemy to a different colour that you personally find clearer, but that's about as far as it would go...

Maybe learn a bit about the program in question...

stretchs · Mar 24, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

or make a guildhall button when there isnt one supposed to be there........

DarkNecrid · Mar 24, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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or make a guildhall button when there isnt one supposed to be there........

Which wasn't TexMod.....

DarkWasp · Mar 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

The cartography mod really pisses me off!

I did it the hard way, but now Legendary Cartographer has become one of the lowliest titles. Because of texmod!

One of the more concerning problems is someone going past texmod and making a program that breaks into the models. If that happens, I hope Arena.net is prepared to battle it.

Anyone could just, make their sword look like a Crystaline if they wanted to.

Or better yet, some mod that changes like Feathered Longbows to something cool. If it gets popular, its "Buying stormbow 500g and buying feathered longbow 50k" ...

And then the worst of all... the depreciation of the community. A nude mod.
Hell no! And the worst part, i've not seen one company yet do anything about nude mods! Look at Blizzard, they practicly handed it to the community.

Most people will say the dumbest thing ever "Just dont use it", does it occur to them that when I make characters I CARE about them. What's the use of personalising your own character and spending hours thinking of a good name and trying to make |him the most hardcore looking/her the prettiest possible| and then spend days working on getting the pefect armor set, IF, everyone is just going to be dancing around naked anyway.

THOSE BASTARDS BETTER KEEP THEIR EYES OFF MY CHARACTERS!

So all in all, other than GUI, No! No mods.

DarkNecrid · Mar 24, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by DarkWasp

The cartography mod really pisses me off!

OK.

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I did it the hard way, but now Legendary Cartographer has become one of the lowliest titles. Because of texmod!

It's a string of data. It's not worth anything anyways.

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One of the more concerning problems is someone going past texmod and making a program that breaks into the models. If that happens, I hope Arena.net is prepared to battle it.

Uh.....no they won't? Maybe if you knew how the structure of the server + client worked, you wouldn't be so ignorant. This is impossible.

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Anyone could just, make their sword look like a Crystaline if they wanted to.

No. They can't. And even if they could, it would just be on their screen.

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Or better yet, some mod that changes like Feathered Longbows to something cool. If it gets popular, its "Buying stormbow 500g and buying feathered longbow 50k" ...

Ignorant.

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And then the worst of all... the depreciation of the community. A nude mod.
Hell no! And the worst part, i've not seen one company yet do anything about nude mods! Look at Blizzard, they practicly handed it to the community.

Already exists, and it doesn't matter since only YOU see it.

FlamingMetroid · Mar 24, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Don't we have a sticky about how texmod works somewhere, cause if we don't we need to get one fast. It seems that NOBODY except for 1 or 2 people here know how this program works. It modifies the textures ONLY, not the 3D wireframes, not the code. Its not like I could go into texmod and give myself full FoW, and make all my weapons eternal blades, thats not possible.

DarkWasp · Mar 24, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Already exists, and it doesn't matter since only YOU see it.

If a father opposed a new technology, sunglasses that didnt see clothes... would it not matter?

If he didn't want people looking at his daughters, would that be so bad?

And "Only I can see it" won't hold up in court.

And don't tell me "It's just a game" because these are game forums.

lyra_song · Mar 24, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by DarkWasp

If a father opposed a new technology, sunglasses that didnt see clothes... would it not matter?

If he didn't want people looking at his daughters, would that be so bad?

And "Only I can see it" won't hold up in court.

And don't tell me "It's just a game" because these are game forums.

o.O wow thats just...wow.

Texmod would be equivalent to holding up a clear pane of glass and drawing on it, and holding it over people. It doesn't REMOVE anything. You arent "not seeing clothes", you are seeing different clothes, ie: holding up the glass with a drawing on it.

All the various texmods like spirit radar and such can be made by using a clear piece of plastic and a friggin marker. Just tape it to your monitor. -.-

DarkWasp · Mar 24, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

o.O wow thats just...wow.

Texmod would be equivalent to holding up a clear pane of glass and drawing on it, and holding it over people. It doesn't REMOVE anything. You arent "not seeing clothes", you are seeing different clothes, ie: holding up the glass with a drawing on it.

All the various texmods like spirit radar and such can be made by using a clear piece of plastic and a friggin marker. Just tape it to your monitor. -.-

Oh no, sorry for the missunderstanding.

I mean if someone pulls off a modeling program.

I don't care about texmod nudemods, people can do better with their imaginations.

HawkofStorms · Mar 24, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by pamelf

That isn't really the way the Texmod works...It changes textures only, therefore you can only see the things that are on your screen anyway. You could change the enemy to a different colour that you personally find clearer, but that's about as far as it would go...

Maybe learn a bit about the program in question...

Agreed.

Texmod can not do half the functions the OP is worried about.

And the duping thing just took advantage of a glitch in the reconnect code.
In order to cheat in a GvG like this, it would require a full on server side hack, which has nothing to do with texmod, nor, as far as I know, has it ever been done (closest thing to it is the 117 Mallyx Outpost).

Since the OP clearly has no knowledge of the technical functionality of the GW sever code, or even what Texmod is, can we get a /close please to avoid massive hysteria/rumor spreading?

Kusandaa · Mar 24, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by DarkWasp

The cartography mod really pisses me off!

I did it the hard way, but now Legendary Cartographer has become one of the lowliest titles. Because of texmod!

I'm not doing this for anyone but myself. Whether it's a "lowly" title, I don't care. So why should it matter to me if someone else has done it with Texmod or not? CUZ IM LEET IF I DUN IT W/O TEXMOD???? Some people really think like this and THIS pisses me off.

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Anyone could just, make their sword look like a Crystaline if they wanted to.

Can be done via Texmod. Of course it won't have the real Crystalline skin... but yeah, you can mod weapons to look like something else. I could use a spear and make look like a Crystalline spear. So... how does it affect me if someone uses it? Not at all. It's all on THEIR side and I see nothing of it.

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Or better yet, some mod that changes like Feathered Longbows to something cool. If it gets popular, its "Buying stormbow 500g and buying feathered longbow 50k" ...

Yeah right... such a thing is NEVER gonna happen.

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And then the worst of all... the depreciation of the community. A nude mod.
Hell no! And the worst part, i've not seen one company yet do anything about nude mods! Look at Blizzard, they practicly handed it to the community.

Community is depreciated already, and has been for along time.

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Most people will say the dumbest thing ever "Just dont use it", does it occur to them that when I make characters I CARE about them. What's the use of personalising your own character and spending hours thinking of a good name and trying to make |him the most hardcore looking/her the prettiest possible| and then spend days working on getting the pefect armor set, IF, everyone is just going to be dancing around naked anyway.

Just don't use it. It's true. I'm serious about it.

I care about my characters too. I personalize them and minutes (never hours) thinking of a good name and trying to make him/her look badass. It's all on THEIR side. I don't do that kinda stuff to please OTHER PEOPLE; I do it because I WANT TO.

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THOSE BASTARDS BETTER KEEP THEIR EYES OFF MY CHARACTERS!

So I look at other chars, see one and go "hey he's hot x], I like that armor combo"...

Chthon · Mar 24, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

don't talk if you don't know how the freaking program works, jesus.

Quoted for truth. As usual, a chicken-little thread about texmod posted by someone who doesn't understand how the program works.

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Originally Posted by stretchs

or make a guildhall button when there isnt one supposed to be there........

That's right. Rurik's back takes yooo to teh guild hallz!!!! Here's proooof!

[Explanation of sarcasm for the extremely dimwitted: Of course the button doesn't work. This is just a demonstration of how silly the idea that sticking a drawing of a button somewhere makes a functional button really is. Texmod can't add functionality. Period. Friggin Idgits.]