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Terraban · Feb 28, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by kerpall

added: You can make up dumb excuses along the lines of "e-peen, e-viagra, etc" , but when it comes down to it, People that have farmed these things are simply just "better at the game" , than you. I am not the richest, most skilled player. But I'm pretty sure I'm better at the game than those of you who sit around in your guild hall chatting all day, rather than doing missions / quests / farming / actually playing the game .

Bots most be the best players in the game then?

itsvictor · Feb 28, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Bots most be the best players in the game then?

QFT in your logic then. Maybe you shouldn't have spent all that time grinding hmm... Oh yeah, it's a game get over it.

kerpall · Feb 28, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Bots most be the best players in the game then?

It is pathetic, but yes they are the best farmers.
They have perfected their farm run, to such a point they can do it un-manned. They are essentially "the perfect farmer" , with perfect builds that allow them to do what they do.

mrmango · Feb 29, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I lol'd at whoever said that farming takes a lot of skill.
Edit: oh and, in before close. +1

Lady Yuna · Feb 29, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

I wonder how long will the mods wait to close this..........

kerpall · Feb 29, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by mrmango

I lol'd at whoever said that farming takes a lot of skill.
Edit: oh and, in before close. +1

farming isnt hard, that is why it's so pathetic that a huge population cannot break through the 20k barrier.
Sure if you want 500k, you gotta farm a lot, its just tedious, but easy. BUT if you want that much cash, you gotta farm! There is no magical fairy that will give anyone 1000k for free.

edit: Yeah, this thread will be closed anytime soon now.
I'm not blaming anyone, but ...
Defending the dying economy, just because <certain people> have never earned a rare gold before. And critisize those that do.

mrmango · Feb 29, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Or you could power trade. Not that I do either, they both take too much on my part. I could care less about gold, I feel bad for those who feel otherwise.

Terraban · Feb 29, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by kerpall

farming isnt hard, that is why it's so pathetic that a huge population cannot break through the 20k barrier.
Sure if you want 500k, you gotta farm a lot, its just tedious, but easy. BUT if you want that much cash, you gotta farm! There is no magical fairy that will give anyone 1000k for free.

edit: Yeah, this thread will be closed anytime soon now.
I'm not blaming anyone, but ...
Defending the dying economy, just because <certain people> have never earned a rare gold before. And critisize those that do.

I have had gold, all my characters have atleast 3 sets of 15k armor.

Whining that people can get items easier is just stupid regardless.

Lady Yuna · Feb 29, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

well if you want a quick and easy way to get 1000k gold, a quick visit to The Great Temple of Balthzar solves all your worries.

But actually farming CAN be fun, it depends on where you farm and how much you truly enjoy farming.

roflcopter ownage · Feb 29, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

the economy is somewhat going down at the moment. Several items that used to be considered rare and valuable are dropping a lot. A great example of this is the armbrace of truth. There are really very few items in the game that still cost a great deal of money. Because many things are dropping in price, it makes it harder for people to make money, unless you were rich before this all started happenning. Also soem of the title itmes are rising in price. I once saw soemone buy party items for 200g a piece. The line between poor and rich is getting bigger and bigger.

kerpall · Feb 29, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Prices should have a gap between them. Whats the point of a game, where everything costs the same?
EVERY game has rares and non-rares. Why is it that you so many people are resisting this simple fact? Is it the "want" to be, in your terms "e-peen" (whatever the h*ll that is supposed to meen), or are you just argueing because you simply don't care that the values of everything in guildwars are going to crap.

Terraban · Feb 29, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by kerpall

Prices should have a gap between them. Whats the point of a game, where everything costs the same?
EVERY game has rares and non-rares. Why is it that you so many people are resisting this simple fact? Is it the "want" to be, in your terms "e-peen" (whatever the h*ll that is supposed to meen), or are you just argueing because you simply don't care that the values of everything in guildwars are going to crap.

Gameplay

If you consider tedious mindless farming for your awesome super leet items "gameplay" and "skill" then....you need to take a second, and think about what you are saying.

And E-Peen is the "i am better than you because _____"
In your case....you think you are better than everyone because of your items. You think that everyone should worship you because you spent a million gold on a weapon. Gratz m8, real players don't give a damn about fancy items. Fancy items are just there to make the less skilled, low self-esteem people feel better.

maraxusofk · Feb 29, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

having so called "fancy" weapons is not the same as being good at the game. some ppl acquire them just to do it. both sides needs to chill.

kerpall · Feb 29, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

I don't know how you managed to warp this all into Epeen, but the point is, rares are no-longer priced as rares should be.

You may not want to pay 100k + XXX ecto for a rare weapon, but why would you critisize, and taunt those that have?

I personally believe that rares should be priced as a "rare", and commons should be priced as a "common". I think the gap between rare and common has shrunken by so much this month, that there is virtually no difference.

Sure, good items does not equal skill.
But people that are skilled, usually have good items.

You can blame epeen, just because you yourself may/or may not be able to afford any of these items, but there are those of us that save up for months to get these items. Why critisize our efforts, just because yours have not prevailed (if any were even made)?

Terraban · Feb 29, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by kerpall

You can blame epeen, just because you yourself may/or may not be able to afford any of these items, but there are those of us that save up for months to get these items. Why critisize our efforts, just because yours have not prevailed (if any were even made)?

Like I said, All 10 of my characters have atleast 3 sets of 15k armor...I'm not exactly poor.

I'm not criticizing your efforts.

You decided to waste thousands of hours of your time to get a virtual item.
The company removes the requirement of thousands of hours for said item.
You complain because you have already gotten yours.

That is like me complaining about them removing Refund Points. I had to "work" to change my build, but people don't anymore. QQ

Or complaining about templates...I had to remember my builds, people don't have to do that now QQ.

PvP Characters? People had to play PvE to unlock skills...so lets QQ about them too.

DivineEnvoy · Feb 29, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by kerpall

I don't know how you managed to warp this all into Epeen, but the point is, rares are no-longer priced as rares should be.

You may not want to pay 100k + XXX ecto for a rare weapon, but why would you critisize, and taunt those that have?

I personally believe that rares should be priced as a "rare", and commons should be priced as a "common". I think the gap between rare and common has shrunken by so much this month, that there is virtually no difference.

Sure, good items does not equal skill.
But people that are skilled, usually have good items.

You can blame epeen, just because you yourself may/or may not be able to afford any of these items, but there are those of us that save up for months to get these items. Why critisize our efforts, just because yours have not prevailed (if any were even made)?

I don't think anyone has criticized any of your efforts, but the point is, no one really cares. Whether if you like the item or not or even do you consider this item of being good, it really depends on you. If you are able to lose interest to a certain item just because the price started to drop, are you sure you really wanted the item because you liked it?

kerpall · Feb 29, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by kerpall

I don't know how you managed to warp this all into Epeen, but the point is, rares are no-longer priced as rares should be.

I personally believe that rares should be priced as a "rare", and commons should be priced as a "common". I think the gap between rare and common has shrunken by so much this month, that there is virtually no difference.

You guys are good at picking out the little things, and leaving out the main idea of my post

. Regardless of how much i paid, how much you paid, how much anyone paid, thats not the Entire point.

Rares should remain rare.
Items Will depreciate over time, but anet has let a few of the higher end items depreciate literally over 1000k within 1 week or 2.
Legendary Swords r9 could fetch me at up to 100k 80e, at the very least 100k 70 or so ecto. Within 1 week of GWen, they depreciated down to about 80k.

Same for the Runic blade, it was constant at 100k 200e for months, until GW:en came, and dropped it's value down to about 100k in 1 week!

IF you still think that is a good economy, i do not believe you know what a good economy is.

What if you bought your house for $600,000 , and then one day the price started to drop. it dropped down to $70,000 , you'd be furious at the market.

Time Depreciation is Normal.
items dropping to 10% of their origional value is not normal, within 1-2 weeks.

THAT (above) is a BAD economy.

Terraban · Feb 29, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by kerpall

You guys are good at picking out the little things, and leaving out the main idea of my post

. Regardless of how much i paid, how much you paid, how much anyone paid, thats not the Entire point.

Rares should remain rare.
Items Will depreciate over time, but anet has let a few of the higher end items depreciate literally over 1000k within 1 week or 2.
Legendary Swords r9 could fetch me at up to 100k 80e, at the very least 100k 70 or so ecto. Within 1 week of GWen, they depreciated down to about 80k.

Contradict yourself much?

You say it isn't about how much gold people pay for them, then back your argument up with how much the price has declined?

Items are only "rare" if they have a low drop rate.
Items that get a higher drop rate are no longer "rare"

So these items that you keep mentioning that are selling for so little, they are not "rare".

If you items are no longer "rare", do they do less damage? Slower attack speed? No...

DivineEnvoy · Feb 29, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by kerpall

You guys are good at picking out the little things, and leaving out the main idea of my post

. Regardless of how much i paid, how much you paid, how much anyone paid, thats not the Entire point.

Rares should remain rare.
Items Will depreciate over time, but anet has let a few of the higher end items depreciate literally over 1000k within 1 week or 2.
Legendary Swords r9 could fetch me at up to 100k 80e, at the very least 100k 70 or so ecto. Within 1 week of GWen, they depreciated down to about 80k.

Same for the Runic blade, it was constant at 100k 200e for months, until GW:en came, and dropped it's value down to about 100k in 1 week!

IF you still think that is a good economy, i do not believe you know what a good economy is.

What if you bought your house for $600,000 , and then one day the price started to drop. it dropped down to $70,000 , you'd be furious at the market.

Time Depreciation is Normal.
items dropping to 10% of their origional value is not normal, within 1-2 weeks.

THAT (above) is a BAD economy.

It depends on what you mean by good economy and bad economy. As far as I can tell from what you wrote, good economy is when you can make a profit by selling a certain item, and in contrast, a bad economy is when you lose profits from selling a certain item. In short, I am not aware of such definition of good economy and bad economy.

Relevantly, from what you wrote, it seems to me that you do not understand the basic fundamentals of economics. The main factors that determine the prices of items are supply and demand. In all honesty, there are about 5 millions copies of Guild Wars sold so far, and although I don't know the exact number of players playing, I would like to point out there are enough players to supply our markets. Also, as far as demands are considered, we need to know there are hundreds of skins for weapons throughout the game, and people usually have different opinions to what a good weapon is. Thus, the demand for a specific weapon is usually low after the stablization of its release. Consequently, Anet has nothing to do with this as it is just a basic consequence relation from supply and demand; although perhaps you can blame Anet for selling too many accounts, I don't find that to be logical.

Lastly, I would like to point out that there are many power traders in the game, and this kind of economic change affects them as well. Of course, we should note that they will usually make profits from an another aspect of the game; after all, they are only aiming to make profits. Consequently, it doesn't seem to me that you are aiming to make a profit as there are still hundreds of ways to do so. Yet you are still complaining about the drop in prices of certain items you believe to be rare even to the extent that you will blame this to Anet, who has nothing to do with this. Are you sure you are not taking this game too seriously?

kerpall · Feb 29, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Relevantly, from what you wrote, it seems to me that you do not understand the basic fundamentals of economics. The main factors that determine the prices of items are supply and demand. In all honesty, there are about 5 millions copies of Guild Wars sold so far, and although I don't know the exact number of players playing, I would like to point out there are enough players to supply our markets. Also, as far as demands are considered, we need to know there are hundreds of skins for weapons throughout the game, and people usually have different opinions to what a good weapon is. Thus, the demand for a specific weapon is usually low after the stablization of its release. Consequently, Anet has nothing to do with this as it is just a basic consequence relation from supply and demand; although perhaps you can blame Anet for selling too many accounts, I don't find that to be logical.

Please pay closer attention:
Yes, supply and demand determines prices of most items.
When anet makes the Supply more readily available, that lowers the demand. Anyone who knows about selling and buying, is that a HUGE population of GW market "Demand" items in "Low Supply".

High supply = low demand
Low supply = High demand
(in most cases, but there are some skins that people just plain out don't like, regardless of rareness).

So, by Anet increasing the supply drastically (through GW:en for runics / legendary's / elite factions skins / etc), And Z-chest for Crystallines.
The Demand (and Value) Drastically decreases.

Anet decides what item's drop where. Anet did make GW right?
We players do not make crystallines drop from chests, and ex-HoH rares drop in PvE, ANET does. You can say I am blaming anet too much, but as you said Supply and demand are a huge factor. Anet being the ones in control of supply, and the community in control of demand.

You can say "taknig game to seriously" , or even question the relevence of my points. But this is a Thread on Economy of GW is it not? Unless any of you have bought , sold, owned rarer items (Not armour) that fluctuate in prices, you have no idea what i am talking about.

Unless you've ever owned a crystalline, runic blade, legendary sword, Or even canthan rares such as Platinum items, and such,
You simply would not understand the devestating effect on the economy the drops of GW:en had.

You can drag this back to Ego, epeen, etc. HOWEVER , this is a thread on Economy, not the Psychology of "epeen" player (or whatever the h*ll you feel you must call people richer than you).