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mr_groovy · Nov 29, 2007, 07:23 PM // 19:23

I say that people should be able to play the game how they want to.
Personally I don't play UB because I don't even own Gwen. But I can see that it opens op oppertunities for people to still join Elite Missions / Vanquish etc.
Sure balanced team plays better, and is more diverse. But if you don't have for instance an E,Ne,Mo or W and sometimes R your pretty much screwed.
And people this is PVE, not an inbalanced skill that ruins gvg or ha.

With all the lootscaling, and other Nerfs. I'm glad there's still a way for people to do fun stuff in PVE.

trobinson97 · Nov 29, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Haha, this again. Talk about beating a dead horse. Look man, the only thing your "elite" titles said about you were that you were fairly into the game. Coming here complaining about how people who got Vanquisher in UB groups makes your Vanquisher title lose credibilty just says you are a little bit too into the game, i.e. you're taking it and yourself in it way too seriously.

No one outside your circle of friends really cares about your titles, or how you got them. If your friends think you are lying when you say that you didn't use UB to get it, eh, I'm sorry your friends don't trust you. What does it matter what Joe Snuffy thinks in regards to how you got your title in Guild Wars PvE edition. This stuff really cracks me up, I really can't help but laugh out loud when I see threads like these. First it needed nerfing because it turned "elite" areas into playgrounds for scrubs, then it's ruining the economy, now it's making other peoples' pve titles less "credible", lmao. Come on, stop the madness. Also, to say your pve title is losing credibility because other people got it in a manner different than yours says all we need to know about your ego.

People in my guild were arguing about something somewhat similar this week. The argument was about using text mod to make getting the Cartographer titles easier. There was of course the side that was for it, since it didn't hurt anyone gameplay and they didn't have to use it if they wanted to get Cartographer the "hard" way. Then there was the side that got all hot and bothered because they choose to do it the "hard" way therefore, everyone should since if they went the "easy" way it would discredit their titles. The overwhelming sentiment however was "who cares?" Most likely, the only person that cares about your titles and how you got them is you, so just...just focus on that man. Live and let live, play and let play.

I don't play UB, I don't play FA+ SY, hell, I rarely, very rarely play with people period. I play a ranger, and I like to run around with dumb heroes and henchmen to get things done. But I could honestly give less than a damn about your titles and how you got them. They give you zero credibility. They don't make it easier for you to get a job, or anything or anywhere in life that truly matters. This is a video game. Really concentrate on that, a video game. It's not real. It's all ones and zero's on a monitor man.

Dammit, I've kinda gone off into a tangent. I can't believe threads like this are still popping up.

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Originally Posted by silara_jorinset

Because at current trend it'll get to the point when for ANY HM or Elite area people will require you to take UB. Just look at DoA now, good luck finding a non-ursan group there (apart from farmers).

Hahaha, good luck finding a group doing ANYTHING besides farming in DoA. There's hardly ever anyone their that's not selling or farming gemstones.

A11Eur0 · Nov 29, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I use ursan blessing at times. Mostly when I want to have a quick run though an elite area. I play the rest of the game with a regular build and regular team. I don't bitch at someone when they bring ursan into a PuG for a mission, because that's their CHOICE. It's the choice of the player to use the skills available to them. You can find people like yourself that dont like to use the damn skill...do it.

I don't really like it because it sucks to lose your energy and skills in the middle of the fight because you're being e-denied or just not taking damage (when I use it, I use it on a warrior with a +20 energy staff and signet of stamina...I don't attack the enemies so I rely on the skills and enemy attacks to give me energy). Sure I could get a BiP into the group but that's besides the point.

And stop calling it "ursanway". So very annoying. Ursanway, paraway, ritway, whateverthehellyouwantway....who made that up anyway?

Fried Tech · Nov 29, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

you can say whatever you want about my post.

Yes, UB is the newest, and strongest single skill in the game. Remember when SF came out? Just an example: Everywhere you went you saw people trying to party with SF ele's. SF has not been nerfed, but you dont see the requests for it now that you did then. Did you complain about SF? Did you complain about 55s farming UW taking away perfectly good monks that could party with you? did you complain about the old cookie cutter builds?

I dont see why everyone hates on UB when it is no different than any other high powered skill that has come around. Sure all classes can use it, but that is just encouraging people, who usually dont do elite missions, to do them.
Again. If you dont like it, dont use it.
You can find groups that dont use it, and its use will die down as it grows older. NOT the other way around.

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

@trobinson97
I could care less about what people think of my titles. They mean nothing at all and even if ursanway discredits my titles who cares.
The point is people are playing ursanway as if its the only viable build. and yeah i dont care if that pug guy wants to run UB, but if he ragequits cos the rest of the team decides not to play UB thats where it just becomes stupid. There are very few players left these days that play balanced or let people play what they want in elite and HM areas. Something has to change in that respect. IE making a nerf to let only 2 UB in a party to still make it a viable skill for when the time is right but also by stopping this Ursanway maddness.
And why do we care? Because being rejected by Alliance members pugs and teams in general is just crap just because you dont want to run UB.
And its this whole whateverthehellyouwantway comes from IWAY

@Fried Tech
SF got nerfed

wsmcasey · Nov 29, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I dont dont use Ursan, dont have it on any character, and dont plan on getting it anytime soon. Enjoy it all you like, I think it would ruin the game for me. Every other game I played in "God Mod" I enjoyed at first, but then became increasingly bored and quit. The first game that comes to mind for me is playing Oblivion in God Mode. You cant die, you have unlimited gold and items, unlimited power..............whats the point in playing if you have nothing to work towards or look forward to anymore?

Mineria · Nov 29, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Wonder where the outpost with people only wanting to play UB are....
Everywhere we pass for hm vanquishing or dungeon runs, I always see lot of players LFP and asking for other things then UB.
Even the less popular classes get into pug groups without UB.
Always wondered why players trade some specific classes like newbies.
Since they do as good as the other classes when we got them in party.

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6. PUGs will use ursan. NOT veterans with guild groups and such

Exactly, but most veterans that pug won't use ursan either.

Fried Tech · Nov 29, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

@trobinson97
I could care less about what people think of my titles. They mean nothing at all and even if ursanway discredits my titles who cares.
The point is people are playing ursanway as if its the only viable build. and yeah i dont care if that pug guy wants to run UB, but if he ragequits cos the rest of the team decides not to play UB thats where it just becomes stupid. There are very few players left these days that play balanced or let people play what they want in elite and HM areas. Something has to change in that respect. IE making a nerf to let only 2 UB in a party to still make it a viable skill for when the time is right but also by stopping this Ursanway maddness.
And why do we care? Because being rejected by Alliance members pugs and teams in general is just crap just because you dont want to run UB.
And its this whole whateverthehellyouwantway comes from IWAY

@Fried Tech
SF got nerfed

^
thats the ego i was talking about, "I wanna do what I wanna do. period. No matter if its what the rest of the team wants. I'm in it for me."
he's complaining about people who do the same as him and doesnt even know it.

Stick to H/H if it bothers you that bad

IslandHermet · Nov 29, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Fried Tech

you can say whatever you want about my post.

Yes, UB is the newest, and strongest single skill in the game. Remember when SF came out? Just an example: Everywhere you went you saw people trying to party with SF ele's. SF has not been nerfed, but you dont see the requests for it now that you did then. Did you complain about SF? Did you complain about 55s farming UW taking away perfectly good monks that could party with you? did you complain about the old cookie cutter builds?

I dont see why everyone hates on UB when it is no different than any other high powered skill that has come around. Sure all classes can use it, but that is just encouraging people, who usually dont do elite missions, to do them.
Again. If you dont like it, dont use it.
You can find groups that dont use it, and its use will die down as it grows older. NOT the other way around.

Great post fried, 1 thing I want to add

Some few thousand elite players who did cookie cutter builds before GW:EN came out to farm DOA and what not are now the ones ON the Nerf UB bandwagon. Due to the fact that they are now angry that they cant sell Gemsets and armbraces for retarted prices anymore.

It would seem that they dont want others to do these areas. I wounder why, Could it be due to them being Greedy.

Im sorry I broke the silance about this. NOT.

Pyro maniac · Nov 29, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Sab's build + a dragon slash spammer with SY also rolls through HM fast

and no, I don't use UB frequently,

upier · Nov 29, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

And why do we care? Because being rejected by Alliance members pugs and teams in general is just crap just because you dont want to run UB.
And its this whole whateverthehellyouwantway comes from IWAY

But that's the way PvE was pretty much always played.
"LFG Nuker, Healer, Tank - no mesmers/assassins lololoolollollolllollool" anyone?

So what - the problem of excluding certain people now becomes relevant because the group getting excluded is BIG enough?
Or because YOU are in it?

Sub Frost · Nov 29, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Ursan is fine the way it is.

Don't like it? Don't play it then... Problem solved.

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

If i want to H/H i might as well play a single player game. GW is totally boring when not playing with at least 1 other player. I dont want UB removed all i want is for Anet to enforce some sort of balanced groups while still keeping UB alive. Its not fun being rejected by each group just because you are not playing UB. And maybe you have a small group of friends you can always play with. Other people are not as fortunate as you but still want to be able to play in groups without UB. And witht eh current trend of pugs this aint happening.
And i never completed DoA or joined in that Cookie-Cutter fest that was going on down there pre-UB.

Kusandaa · Nov 29, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

@trobinson97
I could care less about what people think of my titles. They mean nothing at all and even if ursanway discredits my titles who cares.
The point is people are playing ursanway as if its the only viable build. and yeah i dont care if that pug guy wants to run UB, but if he ragequits cos the rest of the team decides not to play UB thats where it just becomes stupid. There are very few players left these days that play balanced or let people play what they want in elite and HM areas. Something has to change in that respect. IE making a nerf to let only 2 UB in a party to still make it a viable skill for when the time is right but also by stopping this Ursanway maddness.
And why do we care? Because being rejected by Alliance members pugs and teams in general is just crap just because you dont want to run UB.
And its this whole whateverthehellyouwantway comes from IWAY

@Fried Tech
SF got nerfed

Yes I see a lot of UB groups, but so what... I still find reg. groups running too. Then again I play a lot with my alliance. We generally PUG remaining spots in elite areas, and even there, it depends of our intention. We allow any profession, as long as the build works for the area, we really don't mind. Smiting monks, anti-anything mesmers, paragons (defensive or offensive), assassins, water or air nukes, healing or nuking necros... And every now and then someone will UB tank. Doesn't hurt the group at all since we ENJOY having diverse builds... so what if it's a UB tank, a derv tank or a geotanker...

So no, it's not EVERYONE who runs UB.

Lets Get to Healing · Nov 29, 2007, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Think: Is this hurting me? Is ths seriously affecting my game play experience?

I D E L E T E D I · Nov 29, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

First of i am a monk so UB doesnt really affect me getting into groups.
And like i have said a number of times i dont mind UB tanks. What I find really sad though is these 6 UB+2 monk groups

KamikazeChicken · Nov 29, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by payne

ursan is seriously over-powered and any idiot can use it if they have high enough norn title! just derives the point of HM really? ursan-way does need a nerf and PUGs should go back to just using their skill not the exact same skill bar for the whole team because it cannot be varied...

You've just described every PUG build that ever existed and would be used in place of Ursan anyway. Why do you care what their bars are if they're having fun when they play the game?

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Originally Posted by payne

just annoying really as people get leg.vanquisher yar-de-yar through pure over-powered ursan-way were people like me (<<<) have never used it and have cantha / elona vanquisher titles through skill not rallying behind ursan-way with a scythe for overpowered damage... etc.

Vanquishing simply takes time, not skill. Anyone can go vanquish an area with 60dp if they have the time. Don't hate Ursan because it's efficient. People who couldn't spend HOURS to finish something can use Ursan PUGs to complete that same task in less time. Is the time decreased BECAUSE of Ursan? Not really. It's just as easy for 8 people to run other builds and finish vanquishing, dungeons, whatever in the SAME amount of time, but it's faster for a PUG to set up Ursan and not screw up when they go in.

You're calling a PvE-only skill overpowered, and that's something I can't bring myself to care about. The monsters aren't going to complain they're dying too fast, and it helps the casual gamer more than it hurts anything in the game. Maybe I'm just not somebody who cares about other people getting titles, but Ursan shouldn't be a concern for anyone, imo.

Vinraith · Nov 29, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

I'll never understand the appeal of any of the animal blessings, they're painfully boring to play with. That they apparently make the game a cake walk just makes them more boring. I can only assume the people that use these to vanquish the entire game are the same kind of people that used to god mode their way through Doom.

Fried Tech · Nov 29, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

If i want to H/H i might as well play a single player game. GW is totally boring when not playing with at least 1 other player. I dont want UB removed all i want is for Anet to enforce some sort of balanced groups while still keeping UB alive. Its not fun being rejected by each group just because you are not playing UB. And maybe you have a small group of friends you can always play with. Other people are not as fortunate as you but still want to be able to play in groups without UB. And witht eh current trend of pugs this aint happening.
And i never completed DoA or joined in that Cookie-Cutter fest that was going on down there pre-UB.

I believe that all of this will happen naturally in the game. Eventually, there will probly be 2-3 UBs in a group. Anet doesnt need to nerf because while the skill ages, haters will have 2 options.
1. ragequit or complain and accomplish nothing or
2. make builds that work with ursan or in a ursan group.

Which will you people be. In the group willing to adjust, or the noob group?

The Meth · Nov 29, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Every addition to the guild wars series has to have a few things overpowered in it because thats used as an incentive to make people buy the game. It's called power creep and most games have it. At least for EotN they made most of the skills PvE only so that PvP wouldn't suffer from their introduction (unlike nightfall).

As for people whining about how their titles aren't 'prestigious' enough anymore, you really need to reevaluate why you are playing the game. Doing titles for the reason of getting words under your name just to impress complete strangers seems to be a pretty bad reason for playing. They are meant to be personal accomplishments, not trophies to be shown to random people you don't even know or standards to judge people on.