Curse

GloryFox · Jul 08, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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posted by SPIRIT OF THE SEA
I wouldnt use pay pal if someone put a gun to my head

I know of several people who feel the same way. Mostly because of EBAY/ pay pal scams. My reason for pay pal hate comes from a different reason however. The E-mail spam alone from having a pay pal account is not worth it IMO. It's public knowledge they sell your e-mail address to online pharmaceutical companies trying to push ED pills on you through spam for money.

The major problem here Gaile is that it's also public in game knowledge that NCSoft has been sued over in game account name and password distribution. Where people lost their game account names and passwords to someone else. Account security with NCSoft is questionable at best. Why should I trust, NCSoft with my credit card?

Your offer of extra missions for purchasing GW:EN is really an attempt to double your sells without adding extra players. Most GW players will undoubtedly purchase GW:EN from the online store because of this offer where the game retailers will purchase GW:EN to sale to walk in customers. Unfortunately for game distribution /retail companies most walk in customers will simply not purchase GW:EN having already purchased it in the IN-GAME store, thus screwing the distribution/ retail companies. NCSoft gets to claim sales they made from both the in game store and sales to distribution companies for better advertisement whereas the local game store is screwed. Local game stores only make a profit if they sale your product to walk in customers.

How very clever of NCSoft to claim and falsely increase sales they do not have then reap the benefits of it. Honestly this had to be an NCSoft idea as ANET has better morality. Honestly how does the local retailer compete vs. this offer of yours. Can they make and add missions and in game items too?

This is a business sales model at its lowest form by screwing the local game retailers. Shame on you NCSoft!

Rehnahvah Gahro · Jul 08, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

A little voice speaks to me right now: NCSoft, are you trying to squeeze the last profit out of GW before everybody moves to GW2...? I can't help myself with this feeling. Do not misunderstand me, I like idea of more cool content, even if it costs me money... but the way it has been announced (that's the point: It was announced, BAM! there you go now speculate about How/where/when/why/hellwhatdoIknow/don'tgotCreditCard?wellbettergetonequickbuybuybuyi nourstoresoourprofitskyrocketswootalternativepayme ntmethodsmaybepaypal) plus the fact that this has caused MAJOR mess (Nobody knows anything, I don't think that NCSoft itself knows what to sell where and when, maybe the money filled some executive committees heads and replaced their brains...)

*Takes a deeep breath*

Just make it official and tell us what you have planned, so we know what we are all about to cheer for / demonstrate against..

At topic: PayPal would NOT be an option for me, most contra-reasons have already been posted. Automatic debit transfer system or SMS would be the way you could make most money here in Europe / make most people happy. Don't you have dozens of business analysts or at least some people that can tell you what payment methods are in/out outside of America?

Lets form a circle and sing a song... everything is going to be fine...

Sparks Dawnbringer · Jul 08, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Don't need pay pal it's just another thing anet would have to pay for and then I would have to pay for.

Caoimhe · Jul 08, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Explain No.

Why bother with a second middleman (PayPal) when I have a CC that works just fine with the existing GWStore infrastructure?

exiled mat · Jul 08, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Sigh, why are there so many people who don't understand the whole situation? ...

There are a lot of people who don't have acces to creditcards because they are either too expensive to use or not old enough to get one. At the moment their getting told to get a CC or just go away. A solution to that would be an other form of payment so that they too can buy things in the ingame shop.

However, many people seem to understand this as "You have a creditcard, do you want paypal as an alternative?" Which leads to mass denial of paypal because your creditcards are fine for your needs. But this leads to the fact that people without creditcards will never get an alternative in this way because the creditcard community will just kill all forms off competition because they can pay just fine with their creditcards.

And yes, creditcards are a handy and secure way of paying things, but in some countries (like holland) we don't have many creditcards and it's actually quite unusual to pay with a creditcard. (where i live most shops do not accept creditcards) So i can assume that not many people over here will actually get a creditcard just for some buyings in a online shop, since it's quite expensive over here.

I'm open for any other non-creditcard form of payment. It doesn't matter to me if it's paypal, ideal or just trough banking.

Just let us non creditcard people have a way to obtain characterslots and other nice upgrades (such as the bonuspack thingie

)

*leaves before mass attack from creditcard users*

Damus · Jul 08, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

I guess it would be nice to offer people another option of paying stuff online. Paypal, with all of it's reported problems, has largely been successful.

nuclear_herring · Jul 09, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

I have a paypal account usually for buying & selling things on Ebay. I wouldn't normally use the GW store to buy an expansion or new campaign. That said, I always have some money floating around in paypal that I'm not using, so if it was an option, I might use that spare cash to make an online purchase in the GWstore

jeoliver · Jul 09, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

I do not have a credit card and my debit card is one of those rare few without a visa logo on it. I do have a paypal account, but have never used it, but since I did set it up, I was obviously going to, and I would willingly use it for the online store.

Shadow_7 · Jul 09, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

"No, I would not use PayPal"

I prefer using my credit card, I only use PayPal in cases that credit cards are not accepted.

Mordakai · Jul 09, 2007, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

This is a business sales model at its lowest form by screwing the local game retailers. Shame on you NCSoft!

Bah. In the future, we won't need stinking big-box stores and huge shopping centers polluting the landscape.

Shame on you for putting the retailers concerns over that of a game you enjoy.

Seriously, why do you care how many more millions Gamestop, Best Buy or Walmart makes?

I's rather directly support the company that makes a product I enjoy.

slowerpoke · Jul 09, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

No

I do have a PayPal account, however I'd prefer to use either my credit or debit card instead.

It probably can't hurt to add more payment types, such as PayPal or debit card support for mainland europe (only the uk can use maestro/solo right now), as more options will open the content to more people.

KZaske · Jul 09, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Azagoth

No, I would never use PayPal! Mainly due to the fact that owe me monies and are making it impossibe for me to reclaim what even they say is legally mine!

Once you have a problem with them you soon realise just what a bunch of fly by night con artists PayPal really are!

I have been here, I will never use or support Pay Pal ever again. The lesson cost me a few hundred dollars for a fifteen dollar item. Never again.

PhQ · Jul 09, 2007, 05:54 AM // 05:54

No, because there isn't a way for me to put money on a paypal account without a credit card because I live in Finland. Trying to add funds from a bank account to PP will just spit out this:

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Add Funds is Not Available
PayPal does not currently offer the ability to add funds from your bank account.

cellardweller · Jul 09, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by Shadow_7

"No, I would not use PayPal"

I prefer using my credit card, I only use PayPal in cases that credit cards are not accepted.

^^^^^^^
What he said

bart · Jul 09, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

I do not use Paypal simply to avoid getting addicted to online buying. Yeah i know i'm weak. I have used my credit card to buy items online but only when i have no choice.

Azarath · Jul 09, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

i prefer to use paypal, will never tutch a credit card, nor go to the eforts to get one just for something in the store, much rather paypal or bank deposit for online

Sophitia Leafblade · Jul 09, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I prefer using my Card over paypal, simply put i dont trust them with my Card and account details after all the problems some of my friends had had using them.

Cricket · Jul 09, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

I do have a credit card, but they charge *me* a little fee for payments, while PayPal, which is connected to my bank account, will effectively only charge Anet. Besides, the credit card is meant for emergencies only - they are not that common here in Germany. I'd much prefer the option to pay with PayPal.

The best, of course, would be support for International Debit.

Entreri · Jul 09, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

No I would not use Paypal...

because I consider the NCSoft/online store to be overpriced. Of course, this equally applies to me not using a credit card. Perks like 4 bonus missions aren't enough to get me to reconsider.

Nightfall is currently $50 at the online store. I can get it for $33 with shipping/handling from Newegg. It was recently on sale at GameStop for $25. This is a pretty severe difference, especially considering that selling the game via the online store HAS to be the most lucrative way for anet/ncsoft to sell it.

Selling online cuts out the middleman and you don't have to bother making a box, manual and cd. Please consider passing some of this additional savings you make along to the consumer.

Places like Fry's electronics always have new games on sale the first few days they come out. So I can reasonably predict I'll save money by buying GW:EN from Fry's the day it comes out instead of from your online store.

Help your customers help you.

1. Make sure the online store beats the prices of other retailers. Steam seems to do a pretty good job of this so I have a hard time believing it isn't doable.

2. Since the online store now can obtain customers by price advantage, you don't have to spend dev time on perks for buying online to sweeten the deal. Put this developer effort straight into the next expansion/GW2 which will make you money and get us new content faster.

Pandora's box · Jul 09, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

I prefer to use Paypal because I don't like to registrate my credit card for every payment I do on the internet. With Paypal its a 1 time registration and than I can use it endlessly.