Curse

Creeping Carl · Mar 23, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Wow. Some of you want LS removed just so you can grind for your titles and complete HoM? That's completely selfish and asking for ANET to cater to a small minority of extreme niche players.

HoM isnt meant for everyone to complete, so it's hardly an entitlement. LS is meant for the majority of players to have a chance of actually affording to buy items from other players without having to farm their life away. Asking to remove all that just so you can complete the extreme goal of HoM is idiotic.

Malice Black · Mar 23, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Savio

Malice, with your background you're far from a casual player; casual hours != casual player. I <3 you anyway.

Back in the day I wasn't, but these days I qualify as 'casual'. So there!

Razz Thom · Mar 23, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

It is a GAME it isn't supposed to be WORK it is supposed to be FUN!!!!! People with no lives, those who live in mommies basement touching themselves to toons, and kids who haven't been there yet can't seem to deliniate the 2. The casual player is usually the person who just came home from work and is doing this to have fun. When they implemented lootscaling, they lessened that fun. It is not fun to kill 17 enemies for 1 crummy white drop that merches for 60g, but 17 crummy white drops at least seems like something even if they are garbage. When you take the time to kill something, it should drop something. (Bring out the tanks cause here it comes) At least WoW figured that out. Almost every kill earns something, even if it is crap. But there is no point arguing here because the "ubers" want to stay that way and that won't happen if everyone has a shot.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

It is a GAME it isn't supposed to be WORK it is supposed to be FUN!!!!!

So who's stopping you from having fun? You are saying that farming is the only way for you to have fun in Guild Wars?

Yichi · Mar 23, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

This thread's vastly becomming on the level of stupidity as the old "soul reaping" thread was...

Not quite there yet though...

Creeping Carl · Mar 23, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

It is a GAME it isn't supposed to be WORK it is supposed to be FUN!!!!! People with no lives, those who live in mommies basement touching themselves to toons, and kids who haven't been there yet can't seem to deliniate the 2. The casual player is usually the person who just came home from work and is doing this to have fun. When they implemented lootscaling, they lessened that fun. It is not fun to kill 17 enemies for 1 crummy white drop that merches for 60g, but 17 crummy white drops at least seems like something even if they are garbage. When you take the time to kill something, it should drop something. (Bring out the tanks cause here it comes) At least WoW figured that out. Almost every kill earns something, even if it is crap. But there is no point arguing here because the "ubers" want to stay that way and that won't happen if everyone has a shot.

Yes, the game isnt supposed to be work, it's supposed to be fun. You're completely right.

But removing LS will basically force the casual player to farm! Farming isnt fun for a lot of people, it's work. And yet you're advocating removing the mechanic that's been put in place for people who can play normally and have fun?

Oh and if anyone has "no lives" and "lives in mommies basements", it's the hardcore farmers who farm all the time and complaining about LS.

Razz Thom · Mar 23, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

OK chief so tell me, what is the replay value of GW? I've beaten all 3 games and the expansion on multiple chars. That avenue is lame and old now. I really don't give 2 shits about GW2. I don't ever trade with others(bickering with children is old before it starts). I have my "trophies"for UW, etc.... So what I normally do is sign in on my rit, or my monk, or my ele, etc.... and farm something easy like bergan to waste time. Unfortunately, my wife who doesn't play the game and never has, pointed out while watching me one evening that i had just killed my 27th enemy in HM and had only gotten like 6 drops total. Then she asked, isn't that just a waste? If LS was gone then at least it would have some sense of accomplishment to it. Tell me... What is the so called fun of 1/8-10 kill getting you a drop? It is pointless. And that is the problem.

^hardcore farmers love LS, it keeps them in business running COF HM runs, so they defend it not fight it.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

OK chief so tell me, what is the replay value of GW? I've beaten all 3 games and the expansion on multiple chars. That avenue is lame and old now.

That is your choice.

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I really don't give 2 shits about GW2.

Then you shouldn't give two shits about HoM.

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I don't ever trade with others(bickering with children is old before it starts).

Again, your choice.

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If LS was gone then at least it would have some sense of accomplishment to it.

We'd also have the inflation come back, which is what anet wanted to remove from the start. The inflation, which would make it harder for true casual players to buy certain things. Which is where people start to contradict themselves.

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hardcore farmers love LS, it keeps them in business running COF HM runs, so they defend it not fight it.

Completely backwards. Hardcore farmers would be doing cartwheels in joy if LS was removed...

You can vanquish an area. Do a dungeon. Go for prot/guardian titles. Hell, I don't need to list the things you can do to have fun in GW...

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 23, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Wow. Some of you want LS removed just so you can grind for your titles and complete HoM? That's completely selfish and asking for ANET to cater to a small minority of extreme niche players.

HoM isnt meant for everyone to complete, so it's hardly an entitlement. LS is meant for the majority of players to have a chance of actually affording to buy items from other players without having to farm their life away. Asking to remove all that just so you can complete the extreme goal of HoM is idiotic.

Selfish is not wanting a bit of cash for ourselves without actually taking any from others - indeed giving them more cash. Selfish is YOU making it harder for US to get our elite armours just so YOU can by rare skin weapons from other players. Consider also that while it would cost more money to get weapons without loot scaling, you could get the cash just as easily.

GG.

Creeping Carl · Mar 23, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Selfish is not wanting a bit of cash for ourselves without actually taking any from others - indeed giving them more cash. Selfish is YOU making it harder for US to get our elite armours just so YOU can by rare skin weapons from other players. Consider also that while it would cost more money to get weapons without loot scaling, you could get the cash just as easily.

GG.

LS does NOT make it harder for the casual player playing NORMALLY to get elite armors. With or without LS, playing in a team normally will get you roughly the same amount of loot and gold.

And have you not heard of inflation? Without LS, yes you can get gold more easily, but so can everyone else. So what happens? Gold value depreciates, so you have to use more gold to buy something.

Try again.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Consider also that while it would cost more money to get weapons without loot scaling, you could get the cash just as easily.

Which = gold being worth less. Which means more farming. Which casual players don't have time to do.

reetkever · Mar 23, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

It doesn't. My point flew right over your head. My point was that you can't expect to have everything handed to you because you don't have enough time to work for anything. To top it off, not only did you not understand what I was saying there, but that wasn't even directed at you in the first place...

I reacted on that because not everyone with cash problems want everything for free. Sure, if I could work for cash I would. At this moment it's impossible to work for it, though. Cause wether you play alone or with heroes/henchies, it won't matter for your drops.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Oh no, I assure you I'm not. I mean it's like you said, the loot scaling thing doesnt really affect me any. I go farm, even with loot scaling, and earn plenty. Which is odd, considering those that say it's "impossible" now. I just find it a bit interesting, how the line is being crossed, between a casual player who can't afford the basics, and a lazy player who wants everything handed to him because he doesn't have the "time" to work for it.

Well considering I only have about an hour to play every day... If I don't farm every second of that hour, I am lazy, right? I don't want everything handed to me, but it would sure be nice if I at least had the possibility of working towards stuff. And not like it is with the Loot Scaling. With that thing there I get 0 income except for the minimum stuff from doing stuff in a full team. At this rate I won't have my FoW armour in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

I do have to farm for my cash. Which is....er....why I still farm for it. And nope, I'm not a wammo. I'm a Ranger. And yes, I have FoW, which I gradually saved for AFTER loot scaling. I wanted it. I worked for it. It took a while, but I got it. Just like ANYONE else can. I don't want anyone else to have it? Wrong...anyone that wants it...go get it. Because it can be done, regardless of what the lazies say. xD

If you HAVE to farm for your cash, you should agree that the game becomes much better when it's easier. Instead of wasting all your time on farming, you could just farm a few minutes and then do cool stuff with your earned money when Loot Scaling is gone.

Only the casual players who have ALOT of time on their hands, and don't have anything to do in Guild Wars except for saving up cash for an FoW armour can afford it. Sure, it can't be done, but with the 500 gold a day I get these days, it will take a few years before I get my FoW armour.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

That 3k a day you wish for can be made...very easily...whether you are farming or questing or doing missions.

I wonder how, as I don't want to spend all my time on Guild Wars killing monsters without a goal, and I also have to buy skills, ID Kits, Salvage Kits and other stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Yes, the game isnt supposed to be work, it's supposed to be fun. You're completely right.

But removing LS will basically force the casual player to farm! Farming isnt fun for a lot of people, it's work. And yet you're advocating removing the mechanic that's been put in place for people who can play normally and have fun?

Oh and if anyone has "no lives" and "lives in mommies basements", it's the hardcore farmers who farm all the time and complaining about LS.

The casual players are always forced to farm, with or without LS. Without Loot Scaling it just doesn't consume alot of time which allows players to do other stuff. Removing the Loot Scaling does not have any negative effect on the casual gamer. Only the hardcore farmers will see some negative results, but they can make 50K + per day, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

Reetkever: if for you, making money is Troll Farming in nm, you got what you deserve

Care to explain this? 1 Troll run in Normal Mode netted more than I can get in a day now. And as a said before, I don't expect to become rich or have my storage full with Platina. I just want to have the CHOICE to work for a bit of cash every now and then, and do other fun stuff beside the storyline.

Skyy High · Mar 23, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

well then let me spell it out moron.......... ----->H.O.M.<----
I will still be a casual player in GW2 and I would like to get the same bonus from my HOM as the hardcore player. The more crap you cram in, the better the reward, right? It is BS and I hate it (everyone should start the new game equal, no bonuses), but it is part of it now. Even if the reward for filling the HOM is 7gold and a butt-shaped hat, I should be able to get it.

Psst. If you never cared about the shinies in GW1, why the hell do you care what shinies you get because of the HoM in GW2?

And no, casual players aren't forced to farm anymore to keep up with a farmer's income. If a player only has one hour to play a day, they can spend it actually playing the game, the storyline, whatever they want, and know that they're getting about half of the money they could have gotten had they been farming, as opposed to an eighth of it. If you want to work for a little extra cash, you can still do that...it's just not as ridiculously better a way of earning money as it used to be.

(By the way, 1 old troll run > what you get in a day is laughable; you must really suck if you can't kill 8 times the number of trolls in that cave in a day).

Gli · Mar 23, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Reetkever, I'm really curious how exactly you're spending that one hour a day if it only nets you 500 gold. I'm seriously having a hard time believing it.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by reetkever

I reacted on that because not everyone with cash problems want everything for free. Sure, if I could work for cash I would. At this moment it's impossible to work for it, though. Cause wether you play alone or with heroes/henchies, it won't matter for your drops.

The person that was directed at specifically said about giving him a full set of destroyer weaps because others can have them, and he wants them too. Which = wanting stuff for free because they dont "have the time" to work for it.

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Well considering I only have about an hour to play every day... If I don't farm every second of that hour, I am lazy, right? I don't want everything handed to me, but it would sure be nice if I at least had the possibility of working towards stuff.

No, it does not mean you're lazy. And that wasn't really directed at you, but at the ones that have the means to get what they want, but just want to get it faster and easier.

You know, there are some quests that offer 2k rewards? Questing and doing missions can get you enough gold for skills and stuff you need.

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If you HAVE to farm for your cash, you should agree that the game becomes much better when it's easier. Instead of wasting all your time on farming, you could just farm a few minutes and then do cool stuff with your earned money when Loot Scaling is gone.

But in the long run it does not become easier. Heavy farming = inflation. Which = the need to farm even more.

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I wonder how, as I don't want to spend all my time on Guild Wars killing monsters without a goal, and I also have to buy skills, ID Kits, Salvage Kits and other stuff like that.

I've already given tons of ways you can make that few k a day you need. :/

Razz Thom · Mar 23, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

I'm done, I had quit GW about a month ago (after a long update rant also). I will just stick with the world where at least when i kill something it gives me something.

Just a side thought, I wonder how many of the people here who defend LS did the "Mastercard farm" and now want to keep themselves shiny above others.Definately mister casual player over a million gold guy.

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

The person that was directed at specifically said about giving him a full set of destroyer weaps because others can have them, and he wants them too. Which = wanting stuff for free because they dont "have the time" to work for it.

Obviously you don't understand the concept of an arguing point. I don't actually want the ugly d.weapons. I WANT LS gone. It was a sarcastic response to what others had said but you think you are Hillary Jr. and of course you fixated on the one unimportant part of that post. Get a clue, genius.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

Obviously you don't understand the concept of an arguing point. I don't actually want the ugly d.weapons. I WANT LS gone. It was a sarcastic response to what others had said but you think you are Hillary Jr. and of course you fixated on the one unimportant part of that post. Get a clue, genius.

Ohhh, I see. But your followup posts, including that "land plot" gem, only emphasized it, and seemed to make it look otherwise.

I love how people resort to personal attacks when they get desperate. xD

Gli · Mar 23, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Razz Thom

It was a sarcastic response to what others had said but you think you are Hillary Jr. and of course you fixated on the one unimportant part of that post. Get a clue, genius.

But...

There wasn't anything else at all in that post...

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 23, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Heavy farming = inflation.

That is a LIE. Elite armour, identification kits, lockpicks, salvage kits, consumables, crafted weapons... will remain the SAME PRICE! The ONLY thing that will alter is weapon mod prices (which you generally need to farm a bit to get anyways, so it doesn't matter), rune prices (same as mods), and the rare skin weapon economy, which I would be quite happy to see crashed and gone.

Stolen Souls · Mar 23, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

That is a LIE. Elite armour, identification kits, lockpicks, salvage kits, consumables, crafted weapons... will remain the SAME PRICE! The ONLY thing that will alter is weapon mod prices, (which you generally need to farm a bit to get anyways, so it doesn't matter), rune prices (same as mods), rare materials, and the rare skin weapon economy, which I would be quite happy to see crashed and gone.

And no it isn't a lie. Inflation occurs. It has in the past, which is why Anet stopped it.

We can keep on arguing, (and the immatures can keep on flaming), but the bottom line is it's all pointless, lol. Anet is not gonna change anything. Period. They would not go back to what they saw as a problem.