Curse

Fril Estelin · Mar 21, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by hallomik

I got a little nervous when I saw so many people pushing for, in my view, a clearly inferior approach.

I understand, on my side I was suspicious at the point where too many people mentioned the word "farming"

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It's not clear to me yet, but I'll have to read through the best contributions in this thread and try to clear that. Or not.

Thanks anyway.

/abstain

turnkey1970 · Mar 21, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

/signed. Anet needs to turn the nerf bat on themselves this time and get rid of LS.

Tyla · Mar 21, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Not bothered, but it might make me have more money.

reetkever · Mar 21, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by CHannum

Puh-lease

What a crock of crap.

I started back in the fall, got a bit over four months under my belt, have ten characters. Two have full sets of elite, the other four that have progressed that far along have max armor, have most heros unlocked for those six, have equipped every single hero and character with decent weapons, have full runes and insignia's on every single player character, have most runes on most heros, have made decent progress towards lucky, drunkard, sweet tooth, and party animal for my chosen characters, have purchased every single skill I ever decided I had a need for, have capped every single elite I have ever decided I had a need for, and have even purchased a desired mini from the player market. Oh yeah, I never farm for loot and I only play a few hours a day on average. Oh, it's sooo hard to make enough money in this game, BS.

Anyone can become rich by playing so much that they can accomplish everything on 8 of their characters within 4 months. I am a casual player, not a hardcore player. I only have a few hours a week to play and in that time it's hard to get cash and I have been playing for about 3 years now and don't even have 1 character complete.

It takes me about a month to beat one of the campaigns, and in most cases skills, max armour and hero equipment are needed after about the 3th mission. There is no way I can get more than 10K by doing everything till the 3th mission. Let alone the 100K I need to equip myself and heroes. And that's just the basic stuff that I need.

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Originally Posted by CHannum

The only thing it's hard to do is make enough money to every single thing right this instant without actually playing the game, which seems to be the flaw in most of the board whiners' logic sets: they don't actually enjoy the game any more having since already played through everything to the point of personal tedium so now they pretend there's a fix other than doing the obvious: go do something else.

No mate, YOU are the one that is not playing the game if you see it like this. Stuff like skills, titles, farming, keys, dyeing armour, mini-pets are all part of the game. Unfortunately they are all out of reach without a serious Gold income. Most of the 'enjoyable' things in the game are huge moneysinks and can only be enjoyed by the rich.

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Originally Posted by CHannum

GW is a video game, not a life or economy simulator. As someone who's still got about 30 campaigns to beat just in normal mode across all my characters, I'm not having any problem making money or entertaining myself by just playing the game.

Again, as soon as you turn on Guild Wars, you are playing the game. Wether I enjoy it or not is for me to decide. You might enjoy doing the same storyline 30 times, I enjoy other things like chestrunning with friends, farming, pretty-ing up my characters and working on titles.

guolisong · Mar 21, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

If you ever stopped by Hot Springs International to buy unided gold or holiday items, you are basically supporting gold farming. As long as people keep on buying from the gold farmers, or even bot farmers the gold farming company will always have gold to sell. There will always be players who will purchase in game gold using real money regardless of the policy. Removal of the lootscaling would either produce more gold farmers, or it would promote players to actually farm on their own. Price of things would go up because regular players wouldn't sell their items at the price gold farmers do.

Cab Tastic · Mar 21, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by hallomik

Lol. Actually, you're exactly right. The "unique" argument is total BS. I just get it used on me a lot for various things I've suggested, and thought I'd give it a go.

However, it remains that LS has fixed inflation, and made the game a lot more affordable for non-farmers.

Normal-Mode Troll farmers, I will admit, have been hurt. There are many, many other farms out there and it is quite possible to make plenty of money. Please visit the farming section on Guru if you don't believe me. Admittedly, you will probably need to complete the game to get to some of the better spots, but is that really so much to ask?

O know its hard to think back to a time before the loot nerf, but prices were gradually falling back then.

Cab Tastic · Mar 21, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Farming builds now cost FAR less than a 55 setup pre-LS (remember the 10k sup monk runes?

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-make your good 'ol 55 into a 600
-make a smite hero
-farm away

Cheaper superior runes has nothing to do with LS and everything to do with HM.

Mortis · Mar 22, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Farming was alot more fun before loot scaling. Not just because of the cash value, but because having a ton of drops on the ground was quite entertaining (Anyone remember solo farming the "The battle of turai's procession" quest? Instantly filled inventory ftw.). /signed

CHannum · Mar 22, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by reetkever

It takes me about a month to beat one of the campaigns, and in most cases skills, max armour and hero equipment are needed after about the 3th mission. There is no way I can get more than 10K by doing everything till the 3th mission. Let alone the 100K I need to equip myself and heroes. And that's just the basic stuff that I need.

You're simply a freakin lying crybaby. I've made well over 250K never farming, never grinding, never doing a damn thing other than playing through the games and the quests and I've not even come close to doing it more than once for each of the characters.

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No mate, YOU are the one that is not playing the game if you see it like this. Stuff like skills, titles, farming, keys, dyeing armour, mini-pets are all part of the game. Unfortunately they are all out of reach without a serious Gold income. Most of the 'enjoyable' things in the game are huge moneysinks and can only be enjoyed by the rich.

No, see above for lying crybaby. I dye my armor, I've got two full sets of elite, I've got what mini pets I care about, I've got all the runes I found mission critical, I work on my titles. I don't need a penny more than playing the game gives me. If you are stupid enough to think you should be able to outfit every single character you create a slot for in a fully tweaked out manner without actually playing that character, that's your own stupidity at work.

Gun Pierson · Mar 22, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Tonight in LA, Gaile said something in the lines of the devs looking into it. This means they've noticed this thread and maybe there's some hope, just maybe.

Gli · Mar 22, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Where of course the best would be, leave everything like it is right now.

Gun Pierson · Mar 22, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Gli

Where of course the best would be, leave everything like it is right now.

Yeah, they can't satisfy everybody all the time ofcourse. My bet is they won't give in, but who knows. I still think it would be more fun.

angmar_nite · Mar 22, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Tonight in LA, Gaile said something in the lines of the devs looking into it. This means they've noticed this thread and maybe there's some hope, just maybe.

Can I see this convo in a screen please? Preferably with some context?

reetkever · Mar 22, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by CHannum

You're simply a freakin lying crybaby. I've made well over 250K never farming, never grinding, never doing a damn thing other than playing through the games and the quests and I've not even come close to doing it more than once for each of the characters.

First off, please don't attempt to make this a flame war.

Second off, ANYONE who only plays 4 months and has as much characters maxed out like you said should have over 250K. You've got more characters maxed out than me, even though I've been playing for ~3 years now.

Also, 250K in 4 months is nothing. At least 100K is needed if you want to equip a character with decent skills, armour and weapons when they leave the starter island in NF/Factions. In Prophecies you need less, but it's also way harder to make cash there.

And last, you are not in the position to call ME a lying crybaby. You have no clue what the game was like before the Loot Scaling if you've only been playing for 4 months, and thus you should not compare the game without LS to the game with LS. Please think before you make conclusions.

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Originally Posted by CHannum

No, see above for lying crybaby. I dye my armor, I've got two full sets of elite, I've got what mini pets I care about, I've got all the runes I found mission critical, I work on my titles. I don't need a penny more than playing the game gives me.

Well congrats to you. So just because you appearently get lucky drops or play 24/7 means that no-one else may get these items because they are not hardcore players?

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Originally Posted by CHannum

If you are stupid enough to think you should be able to outfit every single character you create a slot for in a fully tweaked out manner without actually playing that character, that's your own stupidity at work.

I'm not even able to do that with ONE of my characters so far. The most expensive thing I bought after the Loot Scaling was 1,5K armour for Monk because the Damask was high-priced. That's all I can afford with the little Gold income I have now. Per 20 monsters I kill I get about 1 white drop or a collectible (Raptors, anyone? -.-). All the cash I collect from the Storyline goes directly to my Heroes' equipment because I only set up about half of them.

Gun Pierson · Mar 22, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

Can I see this convo in a screen please? Preferably with some context?

The Gaile chat is often posted here on Guru in the dev track forum if I'm not mistaken. I hope they post tonight's chat as Gaile replied she alrdy got that question earlier when I asked (I arrived later) but she answered it again anyways. It's dam stupid I didn't take a screenshot so at this point I can not give anything more than my word on it. Hope someone can proove it.

Velise_Snowtorm · Mar 22, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Every Pre LS farmer now is :

a) Stopped playing GW.
b) Grinding titles.
c) An ursan doa junky.

I have to /agree.

I haven't stopped playing (like others have said, GW is a unique game and nothing else is quite like it).

I am casually grinding titles, which isn't very fun.

I monk Ursan DoA runs occasionally, but it's not really my thing.

On a personal level, I do miss the old days of farming. It actually was fun for me to splatter big nasty hordes of monsters all by my lonesome. I haven't farmed regularly for about a year now. Granted, I have never been one of the uber-rich nor has it ever been my goal to have pages of ectos. I just wanted armors and skills and nice weapons.

That mods and runes are very cheap now helps out new players to purchase perfects faster than before. I remember when I was a new player and couldn't afford nice runes for a very long time. But ya know what, I still played despite not having perfect runes. And I'm still here, 32 months later.

/signed

mr_groovy · Mar 22, 2008, 07:57 AM // 07:57

People the reason items / mods / runes are as cheap as they are now isn't only because of LS. The game is out for almost 3 years now, and there is much more supply of everything then demand. That's why it's so cheap. Actually it's so cheap that people can't even make money out of descent drops. Everything can be merchant above req 9, because you can't sell it anyways.

Gli · Mar 22, 2008, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

People the reason items / mods / runes are as cheap as they are now isn't only because of LS. The game is out for almost 3 years now, and there is much more supply of everything then demand.

Lootscaling does cause a relative scarcity of minor runes and common materials. Demand is apparently still pretty high for some given their prices.

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Actually it's so cheap that people can't even make money out of descent drops. Everything can be merchant above req 9, because you can't sell it anyways.

Then they weren't decent drops, were they? Besides, most people don't care what they can sell, it's what they can afford to buy. From where I'm sitting, only the jaded old-timers are complaining in this thread.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 22, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55

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Originally Posted by Gli

Then they weren't decent drops, were they? Besides, most people don't care what they can sell, it's what they can afford to buy. From where I'm sitting, only the jaded old-timers are complaining in this thread.

The old-timers are already incredibly rich off of power trading and their wealth from before Loot Scaling.

Me, I just want loot scaling gone so I can get nice-looking armour for my characters.

Gli · Mar 22, 2008, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

The old-timers are already incredibly rich off of power trading and their wealth from before Loot Scaling.

Yeah? Ask Reetkever where he's hiding his millions. The incredibly rich old-timers aren't the ones complaining in this thread, obviously.