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Holly Herro · Apr 20, 2008, 11:50 AM // 11:50

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE SMART. PLEASE. I DID NOT THINK ANY OF THIS THROUGH.

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

Who here complained that they couldn't afford to buy gold? People have simply put out the suggestion that there are people that can't and that's absolutely true. Some people have more pressing financial issues than to buy gold for a video game, other people that play are teenagers and don't have access to purchasing funds (uh, you know, a credit card?). There's any number of reasons why it is not possible to for one to purchase gold.

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Like me =[ other wise I'd have BMP etc, I think GW should also release credit-card things you can buy from K-mart, Big-W etc for GW and it has a certain number of points or something on it.

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

OH yea..one other thing. To the people complaining about not having money to buy plat...I have an idea..why don't you get a better job. Go back to school get that degree...quit the 22k a year 7-11 clerk.

Instead of taking all of your time farming your plat maybe you can use that time and save up your REAL money

I AM 14. I DON'T HAVE A JOB AND NOT MANY DECENT PLACES EMPLOY 14 YEAR OLDS.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Why are people saying 'Guild Wars isn't the game for you' to the OP?

ANet selling gold is exactly in line with Guild Wars. It says clearly that time isn't a factor towards having gear, and that grind for equipment is being removed. Farming, grinding, and having lots of gold are the things that Guild Wars isn't the game for.

It'll brake the broken economy.

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Originally Posted by GW GF

This is my point. I picture "leet" players as some guy who lives in his mom's basement who barely scraped up the cash to buy the game in the first place... someone who has 26 hours a day to play and spending hours grinding.

If gaming wants to expand beyond this stereotype.. and yes it is the stereotype even though it's not always true, then there HAS to be ways to balance out the time factor.

We will all benefit when gaming expands to include more people and not just those that have time to grind.

I got myself a few sets of 15k armor, 1 set of FoW and perfect weapons for every character, but I got to school and get good grades and I play for about 3 hours a day (1 hour maximum at a time) it's not that hard. Just don't spend your money on pety crap.

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Originally Posted by GW GF

Seriously.. nothing special. I have bad luck with drops. All I've ever spent money on is good armor and the occasional tome. Not anything more.

I appreciate the thought, but I think that the points already made cover my argument. I think Mod terrik said it best.

So you've been playing from the start (If I remember correctly) and you don't have everything you want? =/

What do you meen by being "1337"? Some people have different views on "1337-n3$$"

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Originally Posted by kobey

Its actually not a very interesting thing to do when you spent 8-10hrs slogging your life out in the office, and got to farm for 3 hrs in gw at home just to get nice weapons in one months time.

But I don't farm.. =/ if I did farm, I'd do it for fun.

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I think that's GW GF's point...farming is not fun. Granted this isn't nearly as tedious as EQ (SWG at least let you set up vaporators and crap so you wouldn't need to be there to farm...hmm..maybe that's what GW needs. The Plat Vaporator. Set it up in the underworld, come back in two days time and collect your 200 plat. Then you could be doing something fun with your time, like laundry or underwater basketweaving)

People here play this game for fun if I've read this correctly. Why would people farm if it isn't fun and they come here for fun?

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Originally Posted by GW GF

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Sorry sweetie that you are not the only girl that plays GW. and if that's your picture than you are definitely not the cutest.
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Lies. :P

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

A lot of the people that have a lot of GW money do have jobs as well or go to school even, they've just been goal oriented and bought nothing but the essentials until they got what they wanted.

And from your posts, you seem like you want Anet to charge large sums of money for gold if they do sell it. This would, however, be very bad for a large portion of the player base, examples being college students and teenagers.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

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Originally Posted by GW GF

Um because I was called a lazy bum for only having a few hours a day at best to play GW.

I could care less what people do in RL. OK you can be homeless and play GW on your laptop all day. I don't care. But I don't think that it's fair that because I am busy that my GW goods aren't as nice as the homeless dude with the laptop. Being able to buy gold would help out the full time workers.. that's all. No offense to anyone at all. (just don't call me lazy!!)

This would screw all the people that don't have access to credit cards/some kind of payment. This will break the economy even more, it'll cost 5k for 10 iron ingots etc. So what happens to us then? We can't farm 100k+ in an hour =/

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Who have the most free time to do things like spend 10-12 hours a day playing GW.

I don't.

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Originally Posted by Shai Lee

Homework, extra-curricular activities, classes, studies tend to be what teenagers and college students focus on. Plus there's eating, sleeping, commuting. So 10-12 hrs a day of playing GW isn't viable.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Here's my analogy: Someone spent four years into getting this degree of Engineering, and this person later demands that he deserves to be a doctor simply because of his efforts in those four years. Medical and Engineering are not related. As we know, if the person wanted to a doctor, he should've went to a medical school and put in efforts there.

Now here's the situation: There are people who spent time into working in real life, and they are demanding that they deserve to have a good amount of gold in this game called Guild Wars simply because they put in efforts into working in real life. As we know, real life and ingame are not related. If these people wanted to earn these gold ingame, they should've put in efforts ingame.

I can see that real life money and ingame gold to be apple and oranges, and I believe that my analogy proves the invalidity of this thread.

I was about to say the same thing, then I'm just like "No.. if this person is that stupid, they don't deserve to know"

I'm sorry ModTerrik, but it's true =/

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Originally Posted by GW GF

I was actually going to bring up the point of buying skill packs. Buying this seems like an easy way to earn things that you would have to do a mission to earn otherwise.

What do those that are against buying GW gold think about skill packs? Shouldn't you be forced to earn your skill? Isn't it unfair that buy purchasing something you can get more skills? Doesn't that give an unfair advantage to certain players?

These don't kill the economy.. if anything, they're good. They get the noobs out of RA

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Originally Posted by GW GF

It does affect the game though.. how many times do players go do a mission to earn a skill any more.. especially if it's a leet skill. Rather than 'doing all the work', they just go buy the skill and or/tome to get the skill.

I don't think this is a bad thing, but if you're against the gold because it messes up the game, then it must be agreed that buying skills also impacts game play.

I don't get how it effects anything really.. =/

If anything, it gives the noobs a little advantage over the veteran players, which is fair.

Selling in game gold will screw up the economy very badly =\

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Stop insulting me by calling me a whiner. Have you read my posts? Half the reason I play this game is to make cool builds, which require elite skills, which I must buy as I just made character number 22. There are MANY reasons besides kewl loot that you need cash for. I have money, not time...I don't have the time to do a 1 1/2 hour run into some god forsaken back water to cap some leet skill, so I can try out a new build idea.

Honestly, I never really had a problem with money until they opened up new character slots and came out with elite tomes.

If you just want to make builds.. just make PvP characters if you want them for PvE, make them in PvP, do RA alot (on the special weekends etc) and get zaishen keys and sell.

Or you can download Guild Wars Team Builder.

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Originally Posted by GW GF

I've posted a response to this several times and have yet to hear a response..

HELLO... People are buying gold online ANYWAY. Anet is just starting to really crack down on it. Since it's been happening ALL ALONG, how would it change the economy. All it would do is make it legal.

I'm sorry if I havn't read something right. If I havn't read something right, sorry.

DO YOU HAVE SOME BOLTS LOOSE IN YOUR HEAD?

Would you rather pay $10 for 1 plat, or $2?

I think I saw Gaile once in LA or something and she said they track every trade made, not the talk or anything, so people would get the cheaper gold and if they get banned, request a support ticket to get un-banned because they bought gold from the ingame store.. =/

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Originally Posted by GW GF

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I guess it's really up to Anet as far as if they want to keep casual players like myself or make the game so that only a serious player can enjoy it.*snip*

I'm sorry, what?

You go play WoW now, come back in 2 months(if you don't get addicted) and tell me what requires a more serious player =/

How often do you see 40 people that all have to co-operate perfectly basically to down 1 boss, to TRY and get an item, that wont drop most likely. Some of these dungeons/instances take upto 12 hours =/

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Wow. Thank you for that. That's perfect. I seriously doubt that it would drastically affect the economy, especially when you take into account that it would be split up over all regions. Looks like 20k a week is the magic number!

There are people that are going to go physco you know? Some little kid playing this has millionaire parents (extreme example) and he buys billions of in game gold. What does he do? He goes to spamadan and buys anything rare and tips them a stack of ecto or 2 because he doesn't have the room in his invent. He doesn't even use half the items.

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I like this idea too. So many ways to make this more readily available to the time handicapped.

I'm sorry but,

HAHA, YOU'RE HANDICAPPED!

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ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Diva Signet

I think the people who want to buy gold in game are funny. If you have to buy items with real money to enjoy the game, then you're doing it wrong.

How presumptious of you. To tell me I'm playing my game the wrong way. Have you read through all 14 pages of this?

Master Knightfall · Apr 20, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by GW GF

Because if you have worked hard to get a really good build and have 'earned' all of your skills, you could end up in an arena or on a team with someone who doesn't know how to use the skills that they have. Or perhaps you've worked a lot harder and are dying to have the skills that they just bought. Even though you are a more skilled player, they do a lot more damage than you do.

On the topic of inflation.. please see my response above. I don't think the economy would be affected. It's been happening for quite some time now.

Yep and they've banned probably over 100k people for it too by now. And I suppose you haven't read the login screen lately about buying gold? Anet is against this 100% I'm 99.9% sure they aren't going to go for it. They'll be happy with getting their extra money from those they banned who will have to buy new accounts and start over.

I also suppose this will turn into another dead horse beating like 7 heroes and nerfing ursans blessing. lol just something to take up space on GWG.

Holly Herro · Apr 20, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Yes. Much like the MP3 industry.

But the MP3 industry hasn't closed down Limewire/Frostwire/Kazaa/Torrents etc...?

Have they?

Holly Herro · Apr 20, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

How presumptious of you. To tell me I'm playing my game the wrong way. Have you read through all 14 pages of this?

I have and I agree to be honest.

If you want to get lots of money because you have a job, go play WoW. They don't mind gold farmers.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

LMAO tell that to the 10 million subscribers of just WOW not mentioning the other millions playing Lineage, Lineage II, Final Fantasy, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot. hahaha that is the most rediculous statement I've read on this site. "the masses will never be able to play" hahahahaha

I have an idea. Why you don't you go into your office and find out how many people play golf, then ask them if they play WOW, assuming you work with baby boomers (or mixed generational) who are the vast majority of the population in the US, the answer will be none. Now ask them if they want a wii. Comprende?

MoriaOrc · Apr 20, 2008, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Wow. Thank you for that. That's perfect. I seriously doubt that it would drastically affect the economy, especially when you take into account that it would be split up over all regions. Looks like 20k a week is the magic number!

Nitpick: There are no more regions. Everything has been merged into one economy. All that's left is districts for different languages.

Aside from that that, you can interpret the numbers however you wish

dunky_g · Apr 20, 2008, 12:00 PM // 12:00

You don't need money to do missions.
You don't need money to do Quests.
You don't need 15k or Fissure Armor to have max armor.
You don't need rare skin Weapon to have Max damage weapons.
You don't need excessive amounts of money to play the game.

Just playing the game normally will net you enough money to have max armor and weapons (even if they are collector or crafter weapons.)

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE SMART. PLEASE. I DID NOT THINK ANY OF THIS THROUGH.

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I left the important part of your post. The rest was nonsensical.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

But the MP3 industry hasn't closed down Limewire/Frostwire/Kazaa/Torrents etc...?

Have they?

No, they're just litigating. And the vast majority of users now pay to play as it were.

Diva Signet · Apr 20, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

How presumptious of you. To tell me I'm playing my game the wrong way. Have you read through all 14 pages of this?

Yep, and it's nothing I haven't heard before. Whether I believe what you're saying or not is irrelevant, one of two things is happening if you want to buy gold. A) You're not playing the game well enough to make the gold to get max weps/armor (you're doing it wrong), or B) You want more bling to show off in game, which is pathetic to trade real life money for (you're still doing it wrong).

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by angmar_nite

Why should ANET cater more to the mainstream for a player's point of view?

With no playerbase, there is nothing to cater for.
A company that depends on a playerbase (An online game, for instance) needs to cater for that playerbase to maintain the playerbase, in order to keep the cash and keep the game interesting.

Then again, we have alot of the PvE'ers crying about minor changes that only needs them to search another (How many skills were changes), even then they can run the sub-par, nerfed version still.

Master Knightfall · Apr 20, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by GW GF

I would agree except that (as mentioned earler) people have been buying and selling gold for a while now.. anet is just barely cracking down on it and my guess is that they still don't get everyone.

So.. it's been going on all along, but my suggestion is that anet would make money. The economy wouldn't change because nothing would be different other than that people that would buy gold would just buy it legally rather than illegally.

Problem is you are only looking out one window. While it has been going on since the game started it has been going on in a "controlled" environment. And that has been controlled by telling people if you do it you risk losing everything. That's a pretty big control. Taking away that control would cause hyperinflation to the maximum, because once people have no fear of anything they would go wild with the idea and gold would increase so high in the game regular players wouldn't be able to aford anything. And the price of the gold for real world money would just continue to soar. Gotta look at the whole picture, not just the parts you like.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

I have and I agree to be honest.

If you want to get lots of money because you have a job, go play WoW. They don't mind gold farmers.

Luckily for me, your opinion of how I play my game = diddly/squat.

I have a better idea. Why don't you time farmers go play an SOE game where they really crack down in IP infringement.

Omnidragon42 · Apr 20, 2008, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Diva Signet

Yep, and it's nothing I haven't heard before. Whether I believe what you're saying or not is irrelevant, one of two things is happening if you want to buy gold. A) You're not playing the game well enough to make the gold to get max weps/armor (you're doing it wrong), or B) You want more bling to show off in game, which is pathetic to trade real life money for (you're still doing it wrong).

Quoted for Truthiness.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

You don't need money to do missions.
You don't need money to do Quests.
You don't need 15k or Fissure Armor to have max armor.
You don't need rare skin Weapon to have Max damage weapons.
You don't need excessive amounts of money to play the game.

Just playing the game normally will net you enough money to have max armor and weapons (even if they are collector or crafter weapons.)

Will it buy me elite tomes to make new builds? Will it allow me to play Barbie? Will it open the game up to a wider audience?

Holly Herro · Apr 20, 2008, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I left the important part of your post. The rest was nonsensical.

Dude. Harsh. Harsh.

Are you that cruel to children?

Master Knightfall · Apr 20, 2008, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

I have an idea. Why you don't you go into your office and find out how many people play golf, then ask them if they play WOW, assuming you work with baby boomers (or mixed generational) who are the vast majority of the population in the US, the answer will be none. Now ask them if they want a wii. Comprende?

You shouldn't have asked that as everyone in our office plays golf and bowls and we are all over 50 and we also have WOW accounts along with playing GW for a change of scenery. We are all baby boomers bud. You picked the wrong person to ask those questions to. hahah +1 for me. Oh and btw some of us own WII's a well.

cho · Apr 20, 2008, 12:09 PM // 12:09

imho there's a good reason why not to offer game currency for real cash. plain and easy because it just doesn't fit into the game concept.

MMORPGS have own virtual worlds with own rules and economies. you place your characters there and get rewards for what your chars achieve in-game. dropping tons of currency into the game from out of nowhere is ridiculous from my point of view.

it's the same thing almost every game. to get something new you have to put some time and effort in. and that is exactly what makes the games enjoyable. Or would anyone enjoy for example Gran Turismo with every Car, Track and Licence unlocked by default? I really doubt it. You could argue that many games have cheats to unlock stuff for those that don't really wan't to play the game. But as most will agree, cheats are not an option for multiplayer games as it affects the other players as well.

i can see tho where the op is coming from as i have a really time consuming daytime job and i could afford some extra platinum to buy obsidian dresses. but at least for me that's not what the game is about.
And personally i really don't think that having more real money should give you an edge in-game. you get that enough in the real world, why take it in the game as well...

besides from farming to buy rare stuff you can as well just go where your wanted item drops and actually play the game there, why don't you. for example if you want a nifty chaos axe, just pick up a group and start questing in fow. chances are pretty good that you will get one from a chest. of course if you have a scrict 2 hour limit this might be a bit of a problem.

Omnidragon42 · Apr 20, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Will it buy me elite tomes to make new builds? Will it allow me to play Barbie? Will it open the game up to a wider audience?

Elite skills are open to anyone with a signet of capture. I should know, I've got all of them.

You can play barbie all you want, armor and dye isn't expensive at all. Pretty sure I made enough for a 15k set over 2 days (maybe a week if you've got limited time)

Opening the game to a wider audience? Anyone with $50 and a computer can play. That's a pretty big audience.