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Angelic Upstart · Apr 20, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Actually, the effort to make REAL money was probably much more than the effort to play a video game. So if you want to base the game around level of effort, I think the real cash player wins hands down (unless your a drug dealer, that's like getting money for standing on a corner...or convenience store clerk..those guys have a cake job)

lolwut?

GTFO Troll

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by -rightuos-

good night all , its a pointless thread that will never be realized but i give you points for effort.

Can I just buy the points directly?

pumpkin pie · Apr 20, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Off course I have a job, why do you ask? you posting from your company computer?

I work and take care of a full household for your information. that's more works than you would dream of doing.

and I play GW "FAIRLY" without shortcut. (ahem take my money please ahem)

Edit: someone says they wanted guild wars gold to buy skills so that they can test build, let me get this straight, without playing the game and not getting any skill points, even if you have the gold you can't get the skill. both progress simultaneously so quit bullshitting.

Edit 2: PS to GW GF, Lazy bugger was not directed at you btw. you've got to read your thread.

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

lolwut?

GTFO Troll

Im sorry, I'm old and my 1337 speak is a little out of date. I got the lol, but lolwut? and what is GTFO...go to f'ing...O?

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Inger

Consider this for a moment, how do you enjoy playing the game?

Is it playing through quests and missions, teaming up with others to tackle bosses? Struggle and battle through adversity to finally overcome that elite dungeon or area? Jump into some GvG and become engaged in a battle of teamwork and strategy? All this while(with the exception of PvP), you also have the mentality of earning some income. It provides another incentive to do those quests, vanquish those areas, and defeat those dungeons.

The idea with "elite items"(at least to me) is that you do your normal playing (no farming necessary!) collect your drops and gradually make up a sum of money large enough to earn your great looking items. Now, I don't mean to jump on the "No farming! bandwagon" but it really is true

, farming isn't necessary to accrue a sizable amount of gold. If you go out and do say, consulate docks in Nightfall. Assuming you complete the bonus as well and this is your first time in the mission, you earn 450g, with the number of enemies killed in that mission you should also get at least ~300-500g in drops. Suddenly in the 20 minutes it took you to do that mission, you have earned about ~750-950g in 20 minutes. Thats by no means spectacular but suddenly consider if you play 1 or 2 hrs a day. That equates to ~2500-5000g in that 1 or 2 hrs of play. 2500g is certainly enough to fund basic needs such as id kits, a couple of runes, things you need to play the game. If you save that money you'll have a sizeable amount in no time.

All this time you've been playing the game, you've also had a secondary goal in mind where you're earning this gold to try and buy nice looking items. Its another incentive to play, giving more meaning to the things you're doing in game.

Now consider if you buy your gold through anet and suddenly you have enough to afford all the elite items you could ever want. Well what do you do after you have these items? You go out and play quests/missions/dungeons/vanquishing/etc. However you don't have that secondary incentive of trying to save up for some kind of item or hunt for some rare drop where you hope to get lucky. "I can just buy all the items I want because I have all this gold I paid for!"

You don't think the game loses some meaning when you have all the items you could ever want just by typing in some credit card numbers in a split second? Suddenly questing and killing monsters begins to become repetitious, I mean I'm not doing this to earn any income... I've already got all the gold I could want.

Sure you'll say its to enjoy the gameplay but, at least this is how it would be for me, is it would definately lose ALOT of replay value. Why am I doing this quest for the 10th time on another character? I already know whats going to happen, I already know the exact strategy, time and skills to easily and efficiently complete the quest.

Well if I'm also trying to buy something nice, that quest has some extra meaning, its also, I'm earning some loot while killing these guys. Its not just me killing for the sake of killing.

All of this is just my opinion though... but personally for me, earning gold while questing is just another incentive to do those quests. If I already have all the items I want, once I've beaten all the gameplay what is left for me to do? I have all the items I want, repeating Frost Gate, or Vizunah square or Augry Rock for the 5th, 6th or 7th time on a different character just lost alot of incentive for me.

OK valid point. I see what you are saying even though I don't agree

DivineEnvoy · Apr 20, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Why are we talking about real life jobs here? Last time I checked, Guild Wars is a video game; why are people trying to prove that they are superior simply because they have a job, especially on a forum that's about a video game?

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

lolwut?

GTFO Troll

Ok so wait...you're saying that GW takes more effort than a real job? You must be a convenience store clerk.

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

lolwut?

GTFO Troll

I don't think he's a troll.. read his other posts, they are rational and intelligent

Abedeus · Apr 20, 2008, 09:20 AM // 09:20

Not to mention hiper-mega-ultra inflation. You know, in my country, in early 80's - 90's people didn't have much. Money, everyday items, food, water, cars. Why? Stupid post-communistic government was broke... Country was broke. Why again? Because after so many wars, we must have paid for repairs, for destroyed building etc. So what did our GREAT government do? RELEASE MORE MONEY.

And some signs of that stupid, irresponsible, incredible thoughtless action are still visible. So guess what would happen when suddenly hundreds of millions plats were released into the market? The economy would SHATTER. It would be worse than in Germany after 1st war. I remember on our history lesson when our teacher showed me a picture with a little boy next to a huge pile of coins. Too bad that even if he had a lot of money, it was barely enough to buy bread for one week. So to buy something like Armbrace you would have to pay like 100k+200ecto. Do you still think K for real money is good?

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Why are we talking about real life jobs here? Last time I checked, Guild Wars is a video game; why are people trying to prove that they are superior simply because they have a job, especially on a forum that's about a video game?

Cause someone was saying that People who "time farm" have put in more effort that people who work and have money. I don't know where it was, pg 5 or 6 or something...

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Why are we talking about real life jobs here? Last time I checked, Guild Wars is a video game; why are people trying to prove that they are superior simply because they have a job, especially on a forum that's about a video game?

Um because I was called a lazy bum for only having a few hours a day at best to play GW.

I could care less what people do in RL. OK you can be homeless and play GW on your laptop all day. I don't care. But I don't think that it's fair that because I am busy that my GW goods aren't as nice as the homeless dude with the laptop. Being able to buy gold would help out the full time workers.. that's all. No offense to anyone at all. (just don't call me lazy!!)

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Not to mention hiper-mega-ultra inflation. You know, in my country, in early 80's - 90's people didn't have much. Money, everyday items, food, water, cars. Why? Stupid post-communistic government was broke... Country was broke. Why again? Because after so many wars, we must have paid for repairs, for destroyed building etc. So what did our GREAT government do? RELEASE MORE MONEY.

And some signs of that stupid, irresponsible, incredible thoughtless action are still visible. So guess what would happen when suddenly hundreds of millions plats were released into the market? The economy would SHATTER. It would be worse than in Germany after 1st war. I remember on our history lesson when our teacher showed me a picture with a little boy next to a huge pile of coins. Too bad that even if he had a lot of money, it was barely enough to buy bread for one week. So to buy something like Armbrace you would have to pay like 100k+200ecto. Do you still think K for real money is good?

Actually I do. It's a matter of pricing it so that it doesn't flood the market. Would you pay $10 for a plat? 10 plat?

DivineEnvoy · Apr 20, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Cause someone was saying that People who "time farm" have put in more effort that people who work and have money. I don't know where it was, pg 5 or 6 or something...

It was putting in more effort into the game, not just generally anywhere. I could go with an argument like I have spent four years into a degree of Engineering, and that's a lot of effort; consequently, I deserve to have this job of being a doctor. Does that sound valid to you? It shouldn't, because the two topics are not related.

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Originally Posted by GW GF

Um because I was called a lazy bum for only having a few hours a day at best to play GW.

I could care less what people do in RL. OK you can be homeless and play GW on your laptop all day. I don't care. But I don't think that it's fair that because I am busy that my GW goods aren't as nice as the homeless dude with the laptop. Being able to buy gold would help out the full time workers.. that's all. No offense to anyone at all. (just don't call me lazy!!)

Why don't you just spend more time into playing the game and less time into working, if that's what you really want?

Shai Lee · Apr 20, 2008, 09:33 AM // 09:33

The thread degenerated, otherwise it could have had some life as a more serious topic. -.-

1. If Anet were to sell gold, where would they get the gold? Sudden magic money that simply appears, buy it off of player farmers, sweat shop exploitation of their own or off of companies that previously ebayed?

2. I still think that ebay companies would still find a way to undercut Anet's gold selling and the people they already exploit would end up having worse conditions than they probably already do.

Other:
- if this was in sardelac, it would have a /notsigned from me, so far
- thus far, I've agreed with many of Meat Axe's point of view

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

It was putting in more effort into the game, not just generally anywhere. I could go with an argument like I have spent four years into a degree of Engineering, and that's a lot of effort; consequently, I deserve to have this job of being a doctor. Does that sound valid to you? It shouldn't, because the two topics are not related.

Why don't you just spend more time into playing the game and less time into working, if that's what you really want?

truthfully, it's not like that at all. In fact that's completely wrong. This thread is about spending money which is received in RL on game items. Then one guy spoke up and said that money effort<time effort spent in game. I let him know that he was incorrect.

Your comparison is apple and oranges.

Master Knightfall · Apr 20, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

@OP Because more people would QUIT playing than would be playing buying gold. The whole reason for those of us who are casual no gold buyers to play is to keep the economy low and affordable for the plat we do make in the game. If people like you came in and bought gold at your liesure without worry imagine all price hikes of items and how they would rise since inflation comes from making more gold or bringing more gold into the game as you would suggest. Thus you would just make things harder and harder to aquire and then you'd be paying $40 for 100k instead of $20 and it would just keep climbing as long as people like you kept buying gold. This is suppose to be a game not your life so quit wanting to spend more real life dollars on it. Go buy you some real life stuff wit it. <grin>

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Shai Lee

The thread degenerated, otherwise it could have had some life as a more serious topic. -.-

1. If Anet were to sell gold, where would they get the gold? Sudden magic money that simply appears, buy it off of player farmers, sweat shop exploitation of their own or off of companies that previously ebayed?

2. I still think that ebay companies would still find a way to undercut Anet's gold selling and the people they already exploit would end up having worse conditions than they probably already do.

Yes I totally agree.. probably in part due to my low tolerance of getting personally attacked. I really wish I were better at taking insults and ignoring them. *sigh*

To answer the above questions, here's what I think
1. Anet would just make the gold like they make the existing gold in GW. The game would remain the same, you would just have the option to pay real money for gold in the store.

2. Yes, the companies would probably try to undercut, but the majority of players wouldn't pay it due to fear of their account being banned. I've put so many hours into my chars that I wouldn't risk losing them just to buy cheap gold.

I think that the suggestion to sell it at the store is valid and a good money making venture for anet.

Angelic Upstart · Apr 20, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by ModTerrik

Im sorry, I'm old and my 1337 speak is a little out of date. I got the lol, but lolwut? and what is GTFO...go to f'ing...O?

I too am old and that isnt leet speak, try to figure it out yourself.
I am done here, arguing with people who are by themselves too lazy to try to attain wealth and also people trying to defend the indefensible, is not a good way to spend a Sunday morning.

PS. Convenience store clerk?

LMAO

Dont base everybody else's IQ and employement status on your own. ok .

ModTerrik · Apr 20, 2008, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

This would, however, be very bad for a large portion of the player base, examples being college students and teenagers.

Who have the most free time to do things like spend 10-12 hours a day playing GW.

GW GF · Apr 20, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

@OP Because more people would QUIT playing than would be playing buying gold. The whole reason for those of us who are casual no gold buyers to play is to keep the economy low and affordable for the plat we do make in the game. If people like you came in and bought gold at your liesure without worry imagine all price hikes of items and how they would rise since inflation comes from making more gold or bringing more gold into the game as you would suggest. Thus you would just make things harder and harder to aquire and then you'd be paying $40 for 100k instead of $20 and it would just keep climbing as long as people like you kept buying gold. This is suppose to be a game not your life so quit wanting to spend more real life dollars on it. Go buy you some real life stuff wit it. <grin>

I would agree except that (as mentioned earler) people have been buying and selling gold for a while now.. anet is just barely cracking down on it and my guess is that they still don't get everyone.

So.. it's been going on all along, but my suggestion is that anet would make money. The economy wouldn't change because nothing would be different other than that people that would buy gold would just buy it legally rather than illegally.