Curse

Inra · Apr 08, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

We only know a half of story (Rashomon ftw)... and yes i'd rezzed him.

BlackSephir · Apr 08, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by arual

Was it wrong to do that? How many of you would have done the same?

The 'wrong/right' options are so boring. I prefer what would I do. And I probably would do the same thing. Give the jerk a lesson. Now he won't probably do the same thing again. If you had rezzed him/given him the sword, he would probably still grief with his pathetic aggro abilities.
Two wrong do not make right by ass- if you're running around the street, knocking down the elderly and stealing kids' toys, I'll gladly kick you in the teeth. Even though this may be "wrong" for idealists.
But I don't have to care about this, I'm chaotic good.

Kusandaa · Apr 08, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Don't think you'll get banned from that, IMHO...

TBH we have a similar mindset in the alliance. If you're a leeroyer who doesn't care about the others (hey your monks aren't machines) and don't follow instructions then complain we suck... well sorry, if you fall on our alliance monks you WILL die. And not get res'ed. Whine all you want, ping it for 10 minutes, if you were a retard we WILL be retards with you, just so you learn your lesson.

It's the only way some people learn, and it's sad...

Velise_Snowtorm · Apr 08, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by BladeDVD

It was his drop. I would have recommended zoning out and letting him get it on his own once he rezzed at a shrine.

I think that's the best solution I've seen.

I definately wouldn't have the gall to stand around in front of the guy waiting to claim his drop, no matter how much of an arse he was. If I was really annoyed, I probably would have just left him to get it on his own as well.

If he wasn't a totally rude jerk, I'd probably have ressed him though.

Jetdoc · Apr 08, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Actions and consequences are the very foundation of our moral system and of our laws.

Consequences imposed by someone without the authority to impose those consequences is called "vigilante justice". It supplants the overall norms of a society with the individual beliefs of a single person, who decides to "dish out punishment" on what he or she believes is right or wrong.

That is what the basic tenant of "two wrongs do not make a right" is all about.

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Allow me to educate you on real world politics and justice. If a person murders is he not also murdered or removed from society as a danger? If a country continuously fires missiles at your air planes when it has promised not to do so, do you not invade it and topple the government shooting at your planes? If someone signs a treaty to have no aggression against your person your people, your property yet continuously defy that treaty is he in violation of that treaty? If you go through another means of enforcing a treaty and place agreed upon sanctions against a country that is violating a treaty and the people who are supposed to uphold those sanctions are profiteering from those sanctions are they aiding and abetting the enemy? How do you treat your allies when they aid and abet the enemy?

In each of the examples you provided above, the action taken was not done out of "revenge", it was taken to prevent further harm to yourself from the individual or country in question. In the OP's situation, they already removed the ability of the individual to "harm" them by not rezzing him.

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 08, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Consequences imposed by someone without the authority to impose those consequences is called "vigilante justice". It supplants the overall norms of a society with the individual beliefs of a single person, who decides to "dish out punishment" on what he or she believes is right or wrong.

That is what the basic tenant of "two wrongs do not make a right" is all about.

No. I'm talking about the fundamental fact that in human society, there ARE consequences for your actions. Even back when we were primitive cavemen, so to speak, we had actions and consequences. This results in us developing a moral belief system on how to treat others. A place with no consequences will let people do whatever they want with no morality. See Charles Dawkins' (the man is brilliant) discussion on why humans have morals.

Jetdoc · Apr 08, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

No. I'm talking about the fundamental fact that in human society, there ARE consequences for your actions. Even back when we were primitive cavemen, so to speak, we had actions and consequences. This results in us developing a moral belief system on how to treat others. A place with no consequences will let people do whatever they want with no morality. See Charles Dawkins' (the man is brilliant) discussion on why humans have morals.

Yes, there should be consequences for your actions.

However, who has the right to impose those consequences (and the degree to which they should impose those consequences) is the issue at hand.

In the OP's case, they imposed the consequence for his poor play...by not rezzing him.

IMO, they crossed the line of consequence when they decided to "punish" him for their own personal gain. That, IMO, is vigilante justice, which is the very definition of why "two wrongs do not make a right."

stretchs · Apr 08, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Morally not really the greatest move, BUT, realistically I wouldnt blame ya in the least. I am one that will always try to get the person their drop regardless of if almost everyone else dropped etc. But when it comes to n00bdom like you spoke of, I can see myself getting grumpy and thinking about that.

CyberNigma · Apr 08, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Pugs are bad.

GloryAhole - Real world really doesn't effect games. Most these people prob haven't hit puberty yet, let alone seen 'the real world'

http://www.ageofconan.com/
Be brave!
Leave the carebears behind!

I hate that the tech beta got pushed back another week. One good thing about GW is that when AoC does release, I'll always have GW to fall back on since it never goes away (unless I do something to get banned).

Solas · Apr 08, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

well he was a burden, agro-ing all insight and unessicarily...
depending on his attitude as in if he was "im leet" "Follow me noobs!" etc. i would have left him there, if i felt he was genuinly trying to help i'd think about it, doesnt seem lily in this stituation tho

and you can't get banned imo.

Severlator · Apr 08, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Think of it as idiot tax, he runs off to god knows where and dies while you fight the boss. He didn't even help with the boss and since he was a solo egomaniac instead of a worthy team player he deserves nothing.

Maximumraver · Apr 08, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Servers him right.

Painbringer · Apr 08, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I would have rezed the idiot

"There is no honor among thieves"

But then again I lost a few weapons on the old faction chest runs where you would run for the chest to see if gold dropped then aggro the group so the rest can get there drop. Well you would die alot and little scavengers would wait the ten minutes.

Ekelon · Apr 08, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Seems to me like the OP was posting the thread as a mere way of clearing his conscience. This was his way of a scape goat in feeling better about himself in order to keep the elemental sword.

P.S. Whether or not something is right or wrong, is on a case by case basis.

Blayza Baygo · Apr 08, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

I was dual farming in Tombs with a friends and when we were done with a run we came back to the outpost where we saw another dual team claiming they could do the first level in 2 minutes...Our personal record was 6 at this point and we were pretty willing to see 2. So we acted like we didn't know what were doing and if they could "teach us."

So we watched them fail miserably and both die. So me and my friend decided to show them how to do it just to show off and rub it into their faces. To make matters worse their necro got an ecto drop before the last group. So of course we waited the until they got so pissed and my friend took the ecto.

Was that wrong, definitely but it was hilarious. And i think humor should come over morals with no account of another's expense

Antheus · Apr 08, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Allow me to educate you on real world politics and justice.

That would be US politics.

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If a person murders is he not also murdered or removed from society as a danger?

Nope. It's just a matter of how much money the murderer has.

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If a country continuously fires missiles at your air planes when it has promised not to do so, do you not invade it and topple the government shooting at your planes?

Excluding US, which other countries do that? Or, going further, which countries have invaded other sovereign territories since WW2?

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How do you treat your allies when they aid and abet the enemy?

Depends. Do they have oil?

mrmango · Apr 08, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Ekelon

Seems to me like the OP was posting the thread as a mere way of clearing his conscience. This was his way of a scape goat in feeling better about himself in order to keep the elemental sword.

P.S. Whether or not something is right or wrong, is on a case by case basis.

Well put, but I agree with the OP anyway. It's the way the loot system works after all, there's a 10 minute timer for some reason. Might as well be for taking loot from griefers.

lyra_song · Apr 08, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

The player did not contribute to the party. He was, after all, DEAD.

As such, the drop, even if the game assigned it, doesn't belong to him.

MithranArkanere · Apr 08, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

He was a traitor for fringing unnecessary danger to the party.
You where a traitor for picking his loot.

You are both going to the 9th hell(the one for the traitors), so it's ok.

Ultima pyromancer · Apr 08, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

LOL

I did something similar to this about a year ago.

I joined a Barrage party in ToPK, They were complete noobs and got killed on the first leve and one guy went AFK as soon as we laoded in. Obviously, as the game mechanics in guild wars usually does, a terrorweb dropped an ecto for the AFK guy just as the party got owned, I was playing Orders at the time so i wasn't near anybody to get killed. Everybody else rage quited, but i thought to myself "a hefty 8k" (this was about the time of the AOE nerf so ectos boomed in price. So i waited it out 10 minutes and grabbed the ecto, just as i picked it up the guy came back and said "mein ecto!1111" so i logged out and took my reward.

I believe this sort of thing is bad, but its happened to me so many times over shards or golds dropped on chest runs, so i give up caring about it and become yet another heartless guild wars player.