Curse

psycore · Apr 08, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

As crom said only half the story here.

rohara · Apr 08, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

wow you guys are jerks oO two wrongs don't make a right.

Master Knightfall · Apr 08, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

I'll just go back to the famous old and wise saying: Two Wrongs Do Not Make Right.

What you did was just as wrong as what the guy did. There are no levels of wrongness, a wrong is a wrong and in my book you are just a thief and so is the rest of your party who become accomplices. You're a bad person and I wouldn't want to associate with you in life.

zling · Apr 08, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

I'll just go back to the famous old and wise saying: Two Wrongs Do Not Make Right.

What you did was just as wrong as what the guy did. There are no levels of wrongness, a wrong is a wrong and in my book you are just a thief and so is the rest of your party who become accomplices. You're a bad person and I wouldn't want to associate with you in life.

wow this is hillarious...
let me say something to you: Welcome to the Real World!
people get what they deserve, no reason for them to get more than they deserve. this guy was clearly being an ass and intentionally trying to screw their party. so they treated him like an ass and took his drop. nothing wrong with that! it's actually right!
manners dont hurt you know, neither does education...

Shayne Hawke · Apr 08, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by arual

A Shard dropped for me and half the party was dead. The other half waited 5 mins and picked it up then res'd everyone and we pretty much carried on as normal.

The guy died. You lose your life, you lose your loot. You act like a jerk, and of course nobody's gonna come to your aid.

I can't say that what you did was the morally correct way of handling things, but I would certainly see it as the fair way of dealing with it.

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 08, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

I've had several instances where a party member is leeching or playing Leroy. When I catch them at it, I give them fair warning. If they don't knock off their BS, I'll do my best to get the rest of the party to agree not to rez the bum. Once they've been dead for a while, they'll either leave (no great loss) or clean up their act.

Would I feel bad if that meant that the person lost out on a piece of nice loot? Not at all. If they're not working with the team and/or pulling their weight, they don't deserve the drops. That being said, I don't think anyone else in the party should pick it up. Whatever it is, it should just lay their.

Antheus · Apr 08, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

All this for q11 (yes, I know q annoys many people) elemental sword?

Inger · Apr 08, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Off topic I find it hilarious that for some reason all the same opinions that just so happen to coincide be posted at the exact same times.

On topic, I personally I wouldn't have taken the guys drop but I would have been annoyed by someone who did something like that. This is why I play with my heroes, when jin goes and leroy's a bunch of people I just scream at the screen a bit and then res her later.

Aera Lure · Apr 08, 2008, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Personally, it was his drop, he was in your group, I would have ressed him and let him have his drop. Given the circumstances, I agree with leaving him dead and not ressing him while you finished, provided someone had at least once asked him not to over aggro (sounds like you did) before leaving him dead. I, however, would not have taken his drop. Pretty dishonorable, imho, even if he was being annoying.

That said, nah, you wont get banned.

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Originally Posted by Antheus

All this for q11 (yes, I know q annoys many people) elemental sword?

Not really for a Req 11 Ele Sword specifically. Its more the happenings in general.

itsvictor · Apr 08, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Two wrongs don't make a right...but 3 rights make a left so it's all good. I would've left him for dead as well, he was being a griefer so justice was served. May a lesson be learned.

pfaile · Apr 08, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

that norn point run is full of joe wammo that thinks ursan=invincability. I tried it a few times as a pug, all the pugs fell apart before the bosses, just for the reason you said aggroing things just to fight for no reason. Did it with guildies and allies and it went perfect.

I also think you guys did the right thing, keeping the sword, I would have done like the others and left some iron, just from a junk white though, he would never know.

Two wrongs may not make a right, but the stupid should be punished.

Carinae · Apr 08, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Would you have rezzed him had it been a lesser drop? or a drop for someone else?

I can't answer that for you, but "To Thine Own Self Be True". Deep down inside, would you have rezzed him if it had been a blue raven staff? Did the value of the drop affect your decision. Again, only you truely know, and that place where you know the answer, is where honor comes from....

garethporlest18 · Apr 08, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

I would have rezzed him to let him have his drop because it seems wrong to me to steal it no matter how much of an annoyance he was.

TPike · Apr 08, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Would you have rezzed him had it been a lesser drop? or a drop for someone else?

I can't answer that for you, but "To Thine Own Self Be True". Deep down inside, would you have rezzed him if it had been a blue raven staff? Did the value of the drop affect your decision. Again, only you truely know, and that place where you know the answer, is where honor comes from....

^^^ QFT

I have to re-read the post but it seems like he was left for dead for awhile BEFORE the drop.

I'm not an accomplished player by any means, but if I see someone spamming for help I'll do what I can.

Did this the other day for a lvl6 who found his way to a pretty far outpost in NF and wanted to be run to the next.

Since I was using a survivor I told him to follow me and don't aggro.

What's he do ? Aggro every freakin enemy near us.

Eventually he dies & gets my monk killed trying to revive him. I then get a purple drop from said enemy.

Dude's QQing to rez him for "his drop" - I ask you mean the one that got you & my Monk killed & is assigned to me? him - "yeah, I need a bow"

Long story short I zoned out to the GH but ended up giving it to him because my anger had turned to pity.

Shadowmere · Apr 08, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

I personally would have done what you did, despite being apart of your group if somone dosen't stay with the group and actually help with the group they are hurting the group, and it's better off they're dead than actively hurting the group at that point.

From the sounds of things denying him his sword was very fitting on the principle that he shouldn't be rewarded for detrimental behavior. He ran off and got himself killed on unecessary foes entirely away from the objective boss that dropped said sword. He did not contribute to that kill whatsoever, he only made it harder for the rest of the group by not being over there with everyone else helping with the kill.

I wouldn't want to do this to somone who hadn't done it intentionally, but this behavior isn't easily mistakable. If it's persistant and the person in question generally disrespects the rest of the group they need to be given a dirt nap timeout; if it's a one time accident and person acknowledges their error rez them and move on hopefully they're learning from the mistakes.

tmakinen · Apr 08, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Would I leave a player dead if he got killed by his own recklessness and it's very likely that resurrecting him would only make it happen again? Depending on if the player in question would jeopardize the entire objective of the group through his actions it might well be wise to let him lie low for a while until the worst part is over.

Would I grief somebody over a petty drop? Never.

Living by the principle "If you pee in my well I'll pee in your well" only leads to lots of sick people

Arduin · Apr 08, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Would you have rezzed him had it been a lesser drop? or a drop for someone else?

I can't answer that for you, but "To Thine Own Self Be True". Deep down inside, would you have rezzed him if it had been a blue raven staff? Did the value of the drop affect your decision. Again, only you truely know, and that place where you know the answer, is where honor comes from....

Well, to not rezz him for a 'lesser drop' or a req 11 Elemental Sword...I don't see the difference.

Maybe the guy was just being noob, someone who has never done this run before, and was just thinking 'oh the more monsters I aggro, the more we can kill, the more Norn points we can get'.

Personally, I'm getting sick from all the pro-people with all their 'unwritten rules'. ...Don't aggro too much monsters, don't talk to the shrine guy yet, don't open chests it'll only slow us down...

It is all just mindless farming now, with the players doing the exact same manouvres over and over and again. (ever done a FoW HM run lately? People ragequit because you aggro the wrong group in the beginning, forcing them to kill 5+ monsters.)

So, yeah I would've rezzed him. Kinda childish leaving him dead on the ground, only for the sake of revenge. And as I can see from most reactions, people think a req 11 Ele Sword is worthless. Well, maybe for this guy that drop was worth a lot, because he likes that skin that much.

But hey, if the mentally is 'you get what you served' at the moment, I can't blame you or your party for not rezzing him. Not that it earns any respect though.

Rushin Roulette · Apr 08, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

You want to make the punishment fit the "crime" of being a griefer and agroing everything. I would have done the ironic thing.

Give it to the monk who tried to cover him best he could to ID... then send the monk to agro another few Eles and drop the sword behind the eles where the Warrior will never reach it due to his high DP... After that, just res the leeroy and have fun watching him fail over and over again (dont forget to res him with Rebirth... or better yet Vengance if you have it with you

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Angelica · Apr 08, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

I would have rezzed him to let him have his drop because it seems wrong to me to steal it no matter how much of an annoyance he was.

^^ I completely agree with you!

Kashrlyyk · Apr 08, 2008, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by zling

wow this is hillarious...
let me say something to you: Welcome to the Real World!
people get what they deserve, no reason for them to get more than they deserve. this guy was clearly being an ass and intentionally trying to screw their party. so they treated him like an ass and took his drop. nothing wrong with that! it's actually right!
manners dont hurt you know, neither does education...

"Self-administered justice" is a punishable offence in the Real World!
"Clearly being an ass"?? After hearing only one side of the story?? Or were you there??

So many sad, immature people here.