Curse

arual · Apr 07, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

I was doing my usual Norn faming runs today in Varajar Fells with the usual Ursan related group. One member however was adamant about aggroing, not just all the 'wrong' groups but had no reason to do so, perhaps if his Rampage Bonus was in jeaprody I would not have minded so much but it never was. Things finally came to a head when we were approaching the final bosses and he proceeded to run around the area aggroing 4-5 extra Shock Phantoms. The extra monsters weren't necassary since our group had just reached 250 kills so he placed extra burden upon the monks and could have caused party members to die (and lose their own Rampage Bonuses should they have it). After he causes his 5th Shock Phantom to spawn he's far away from our group which is by now at the boss spawn point; a monk runs after him putting himself in danger. Anyway just the one monk couldn't heal the damage he was taking and no-one else wanted to help since he'd gotten himself into the trouble by himself. The player dies and the monk manages to get back safely; having finally being annoyed enough I suggested that he be left dead so that he doesn't aggro any more enemies unnecassarily. Everyone agrees and he's left dead.

Then either the second to last, or the last, I forget which, boss drops a R11 Elemental Sword for the dead guy. The choice then arises, res the player and let him claim his loot or leave him dead, wait 10 minutes and then have a free for all on the weapon after 10 minutes. Sufficed to say that of the 7 of us nobody volunteered to ressurect the guy - after a 10 minute wait the item is picked up. Luckily I was doing this Norn run with my brother, and he was the one to pick it up; he gifted it to me (as I'd found a R9 Elemental Sword on his account, which he kept, the day before whilst farming Raptor Nestlings). Had the guy not annoyed me with his antics I would have honestly res'd him and let him claim the loot (the monks, whom I did not know, seemed decent enough I would certainly have res'd one of them). I also hit R10 on this run so it was my last ever on that character but this isn't really relevant.

Sufficed to say afterwards the dead guy wasn't happy and threatened to 'get us banned' with the screenshots he had captured of our conversation (presumably the leaving him dead part and him not getting the sword). I probably made it worse by just spamming 'lol' whenever he mentioned 'ban'. Now I know that R11 Elemental Sword isn't exactly the bee's knees but I was certainly happy about getting it. After this behemoth of an explanation of the surrounding story; the question(s) is(are): Was it wrong to do that? How many of you would have done the same?

I seem to remember that a similar thing happened to me just over a year ago in FoW; a Shard dropped for me and half the party was dead. The other half waited 5 mins and picked it up then res'd everyone and we pretty much carried on as normal.

llsektorll · Apr 07, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

happened to me way back... i was teaching some guys how to do Icy Dragon Sword runs Jan 2006. I get 3 warriors... we make it to the location. We farm them but I got snared and died so did the noob.... the idiot other warrior was left he just waited picked up loot and logged off.... we tried to get it back he said pay me ....

ofcourse at that time it was worth around 50k.... I wasn't worried about money as i rarely care... but that noob guy was really poor he needed that drop badly.

Kinda pissed me off... i knew anet would nothing so i didnt bother

The Meth · Apr 07, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Well, as far as getting banned goes I would say you are 100% in the clear.

As for whether it was immoral, thats a personal opinion. I would have done it too though. If it was a normal death and he was a decent player I would have ressed him. But since he seems to want to run off and die alone, not be a team player, why should the team res him?

xPIMPx · Apr 07, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

When he was alive and he purposely aggroed monsters intentionally to annoy everybody in the party, then I say he got what he deserved. Also If you guys asked him not to. But if he was just mindless newb and didn't realize what he was doing then meh.

Witchblade · Apr 07, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

nothing wrong with that, lol

but idling 10 mins for a crappy ele blade .. meeh
another reason to get points with books and heroes

Esoteric Mesmer · Apr 07, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

I would have done the same thing. I don't think he can have you banned either. Don't quote me on this but I don't think anywhere in the EULA does it say you need to rez party members, and allow them to get their drops.

Just think of it as payment for having to deal with him the whole time in the group.

Witchblade · Apr 07, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

/full wipe except monk

-"lol got no rez, sry.."
-#~?!%!! (x7)

/report

THAT, would be hilarious

Yuhe Ji · Apr 07, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Personally, I would probably have done the same thing. The guy had been messing up your group the whole time. It sounds like he had actually been a negative, so I would not really have wanted to rez him either.

Lady S Shiva · Apr 07, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

"when i'm leading the team, u kill what i aggro, if u aggro stuff on ur own then u deal with them by urself, if u die, don't bring half of the team with u, and i would stop any1 from rezing the sorry ass."
according to that, u did the right thing...

Firebaall · Apr 07, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

ID it.
Salvage it.
Hand him the iron ingots.

Seriously, I wouldn't feel bad about not giving it to him. Sounds like the team did the work, and the team deserves the loot. You just happened to be the member of the team that ended up with the drop.

If anything, he's deeper in ban territory for griefing 7 other players. Don't sweat it. Enjoy the loot.

dunky_g · Apr 07, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

i would have picked it up

and then salvaged it for materials

dropped them on the floor

and res him

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

ID it.
Salvage it.
Hand him the iron ingots.

Seriously, I wouldn't feel bad about not giving it to him. Sounds like the team did the work, and the team deserves the loot. You just happened to be the member of the team that ended up with the drop.

If anything, he's deeper in ban territory for griefing 7 other players. Don't sweat it. Enjoy the loot.

omg your my evil twin!

MisterT69 · Apr 07, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Well, in all honesty, if he was as bad and annoying as you said he was, I'd leave him for dead. Especially if he caused that many problems. Besides, there's no reason to reward Leeroyers; if they die, it's their fault. You can't expect one monk to heal an idiot who gets spiked every two seconds because he thinks his R5 ursan makes him invincible.

shru · Apr 07, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

idk if you could have pulled it off with pugs, but I'd much rather have the sword salvaged and dropped again (it's a worthless sword anyway). It would drive the guy insane to be the only one left in the area and sitting there staring at his sword.

EDIT:I got beat to the post, Guru'rs are evil and I love it.

Crom The Pale · Apr 07, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Hard to know with us only hearing one side of the story.

If everything you said was perfectly acurate its hard to feel sorry for somebody that goes out of thier way to agro only to keep a rampage up for some worthless title points.

GaaaaaH · Apr 08, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

shru - i like it, leaving him on the floor with the sword just our of reach

Nevin · Apr 08, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

For a second I thought this was a thread about me. I've griefed many of those Ursan runs by over aggroing and wiping parties, hey its more fun then playing the game. But alas, this is not my work.

CyberMesh0 · Apr 08, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaaaaaH

shru - i like it, leaving him on the floor with the sword just our of reach

Problem: Once everyone else leaves, he'd be resurrected- unless you know he would DP out. Leaving him with a pile of iron ingots would be so much more effective.

Zokocow · Apr 08, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

As far as I can tell you've also just saved someone else the trouble of having to deal with this guy. He'll definitely think twice next time about over-aggroing everything.

So IMO, you did the right thing.

bam23 · Apr 08, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

Problem: Once everyone else leaves, he'd be resurrected- unless you know he would DP out. Leaving him with a pile of iron ingots would be so much more effective.

that is hilariously cruel

HawkofStorms · Apr 08, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

You won't get banned.

Although, the logic in "stealing" a weapon worth... oh 7k if you are lucky, doesn't make much sense to me.