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Bryant Again · Apr 22, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Ctb

No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.

That's only if they play ten hours a day and ignore their family, in which case yes I can understand your frustration. I don't run into a whole lot of those kinds of people, though.

(I also don't know of any raids that take 10 hours a day...)

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Originally Posted by Ctb

The rest of the players who just play for fun now and then? I couldn't possibly care less about them one way or another since I don't know them.

You don't know the people who grind away their life, either.

@Tyla: Meh, it was bound to happen some day. Glad it's Fril, though.

Fril Estelin · Apr 22, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Yay for thread res.
You could of just gave him the URL or told him to search for this specific thread, couldn't you?

Anyway, already said, it's not reviews, or whatever people say, if you like a game, you like a game.
It's all about your decisions in the end.

Actually, I'll tell you the truth: I did in on purpose so that everyone can see what should be done. I could have PM'ed him/her the info, no pb, but then you should ask 2 questions: why are people still posting here? Which should lead to you to realise that people don't read threads anymore, 90% of GWGers add the same links to a very long chain, not to mention the +1 one-liners. But if you read this thread (it's going to take you 1h probably, btw I'm saying "you" but I'm not targetting you!) you'll realise it's a great one. I thread-res'd it so that people could see that, not so that they could add to the chain.

Almost everything was said, now it's only a rephrasing of previous posts, switch and change words, but nothing really changes: some people love one or the other for legit reasons (matter of personal taste) and both games have pros and cons, overall it's a "fuzzy tie", Shrodinger's 50-50.

Hey Bryant! Great avatar, where does it come from?

Bryant Again · Apr 22, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Super Smash Bros. Brawl : ) I <3 Ike and his sword of ouchieness.

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 22, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Very Nice thread Zinger, you've proved that you arent a grumpy old troll.

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Ctb

No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.

Agreed 100%

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Tyla · Apr 22, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

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Hmm...okeh....
I don't really play WoW and stopped playing after about 3 days (I didn't like it much).

But hey, for each his own. (I don't even know what that means, hurray!)

Bryant Again · Apr 22, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Tyla

But hey, for each his own. (I don't even know what that means, hurray!)

It means some people prefer apples over oranges, and vice versa.

Added the quote for clarity.

DarkNecrid · Apr 22, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.

It happens in Guild Wars too dude, you just don't hear about it because GW only has 5 million copies sold across 4 games, and WoW has 10 million subscribers with 20+ million copies sold across 2 games, and therefore its bigger, and therefore the media is going to target it because media sucks.

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 22, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

It happens in Guild Wars too dude, you just don't hear about it because GW only has 5 million copies sold across 4 games, and WoW has 10 million subscribers with 20+ million copies sold across 2 games, and therefore its bigger, and therefore the media is going to target it because media sucks.

QFT

Only a minority of people play 10+ hours a day, the majority are people with normal lives, World of Warcraft is by no means more addictive than any other MMO. Its the person who gets addicted to the game, not the game making people addicted.

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Deathly_Overlord

QFT

Only a minority of people play 10+ hours a day, the majority are people with normal lives, World of Warcraft is by no means more addictive than any other MMO. Its the person who gets addicted to the game, not the game making people addicted.

WoW is definitely designed to keep you playing on almost a malicious level. Denying that is pretty retarded.

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 22, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Its a matter of opinion and the ability to control yourself.

And are you one of the people who think that Anet is an evil corporation out to make Guild Wars bad for everyone?

Its just a game.

Gawd

Turtle222 · Apr 22, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

World of warcraft is better than Guild Wars.

Guild Wars is better than World of Warcraft.

ogre_jd · Apr 22, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Ctb

That's one thing that's annoyed me about Guild Wars for awhile now. The amount of time invested in doing things never pays off anymore, so if you don't feel like doing something for the sake of doing it (which for those of us who've gone through all the storylines is most things), there's no motivation to do it. You race up to level 20, hit the cap, finish the storyline, save enough money for an elite armor and some nifty looking perfect weapons... and then nothing's left.

So? Surely you got your $30/$40/$50's (per campaign) worth out of playing through the storyline a couple of times in each campaign/expansion with different character classses? Why do you need more if the endgame content (ie, the vanity grind and several elite areas) doesn't appeal to you?

I've played through Prophecies and EotN once each now (though I have 3 other characters also going through - one at the Desert and 2 others still in Old Ascalon) and definitely find that I've already gotten my money's worth, and will have no regrets about moving on to a different game if one comes along that interests me.

Esan · Apr 22, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Turtle222

World of warcraft is better than Guild Wars.
Guild Wars is better than World of Warcraft.

Hence, Guild Wars is better than itself. Even God cannot create a game so wonderful that He cannot improve it. Therefore, Anet are better than God. QED.

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Deathly_Overlord

Its a matter of opinion and the ability to control yourself.

And are you one of the people who think that Anet is an evil corporation out to make Guild Wars bad for everyone?

Its just a game.

Gawd

No, it is just dumb to think they designed the game so people would play and then leave. They make their money from the subscriptions. I mean, I do not think I should need to point this out, it is obvious to anyone that has played even a little bit, they want your money each month so they design quests and goals that will keep you paying for the right to keep playing.

Every game is like this to some extent, but WoW is horrible for it, yeah some of it has to do with the personalities of the players but most of it is by design and these types are just easy to lure in to that sort of system. Gawd.

Bryant Again · Apr 22, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Esan

Hence, Guild Wars is better than itself. Even God cannot create a game so wonderful that He cannot improve it. Therefore, Anet are better than God. QED.

Wouldn't that mean that WoW is also better than itself?

And is it me or did the world just explode?

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Originally Posted by AJD

WoW is definitely designed to keep you playing on almost a malicious level. Denying that is pretty retarded.

I wouldn't call it malicious. A small list of "grinding fixes" include:
-Making leveling easier and quicker than ever (my quests get green before I finish them)
-Provide badge items which lessen the numbers one has to go through a dungeon
-Add numerous dailies that make it very possible to get 5000 gold in nearly a month
-Lower the reputation requirement for heroics by one whole tier
-Removing all 70 dungeon attunements, sans heroics

Yes there is "grind", but it's an MMO so I can understand it. Plus, I've never found it to specifically damage or "get in the way" of my gaming experience. The only time I've found myself bored was in the 45-50 level range, but Maraudon solved that.

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

I've played through Prophecies and EotN once each now (though I have 3 other characters also going through - one at the Desert and 2 others still in Old Ascalon) and definitely find that I've already gotten my money's worth, and will have no regrets about moving on to a different game if one comes along that interests me.

This here is one of the largest reasons I don't call Guild Wars an MMO: It's just an RPG, nothing to keep you hooked. Play the game, play through the story, and you're done. Yes you *can* grind in it, but there's no reason to - which is good. It's never been in ANet's intentions to "addict" anyone.

To the person below me: Oh harsh, yo

*Gem* · Apr 22, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

I agree with AJD, mainly because his avatar is godly.

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Bill Hicks lives.

Taisayacho · Apr 22, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quite intuitive, I agree on a lot of this. Especially the bit on how GW has gone grind, completely true.
A+ if I had to grade it

Aerian_Skybane · Apr 22, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

I thought this thread was burned in the flame of Mt. Guru before all darkness covered the board and the time of the Inde came to pass. Its seems it was merely lost, not destroyed, as it should have been all those ages ago.

The likelihood of salvation rests now on some quaint mod's fate, and the choice that mod must make to ensure to stability of this world.