Curse

Ctb · Apr 22, 2008, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Objective: WoW has a bigger world, more quests, more people playing, more items, a more interactive environment, more PvP options, more character slots, more classes, more races....

Subjective: ...and Blizzard managed to do exactly nothing with all of it.

WoW irritates me because I like the game, and I think it's better than Guild Wars in almost every way. There's much more item customization, crafting is a joke in GW compared to WoW, there's more to do in Azeroth, PvP is much more accessible to less... "devoted" players. But, man, once I have to club my 500th geriatric gorilla to collect a gizzard to give to some guy who will then ask me to go kill another thousand of the same ****ing thing to collect a different part of it I just want to stab someone on the dev team in the eye with a pencil.

They built an awesome engine, now they just need to attach a game to it somehow....

JR · Apr 22, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

mmorpg.com, most popular chart( Today Week 1 Month 6 Months Year):

No entry for GW. None at all. WoW is there everywhere.

mmorpg.com, top ratings:

LOTRO, EVE, EQ2, then GW:F, then some more random mmos.

Make of it whatever you want.

Guild Wars would probably be rated considerably higher if they merged the chapters under one title for the purpose of ratings.

CagedinSanity · Apr 22, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Objective: WoW has a bigger world, more quests, more people playing, more items, a more interactive environment, more PvP options, more character slots, more classes, more races....

Subjective: ...and Blizzard managed to do exactly nothing with all of it.

WoW irritates me because I like the game, and I think it's better than Guild Wars in almost every way. There's much more item customization, crafting is a joke in GW compared to WoW, there's more to do in Azeroth, PvP is much more accessible to less... "devoted" players. But, man, once I have to club my 500th geriatric gorilla to collect a gizzard to give to some guy who will then ask me to go kill another thousand of the same ****ing thing to collect a different part of it I just want to stab someone on the dev team in the eye with a pencil.

They built an awesome engine, now they just need to attach a game to it somehow....

Agreed. It's nice to see someone who likes WoW better without having to be a fanboy about it.

I think the same way. WoW is better, but I play GW more.

MrSlayer · Apr 22, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Neither of the 2 games are better, as I see it. WoW is quite different, and there is no assuredness that GW players will like WoW. I enjoy playing both games, and I'm sick of taking flak in GW (because this doesn't happen to me in WoW) for liking WoW. Overall, the WoW community is more friendly and less politcally correct, but then the games are very different. WoW has been around slightly longer than GW afaik, and has alot more players (they celebrated 10 million accounts recently).

But then GW has a good community, nice players for the most part, it's a totally different style of game and still enjoyable.

Both have their good sides.

Fril Estelin · Apr 22, 2008, 12:25 PM // 12:25

I was amazed when I looked at the most professional work on MMO statistics:
http://www.mmogchart.com/
No mention of GW and Anet, nothing at all. And then I saw that:
http://www.mmogchart.com/faq/

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There are four main reasons why a particular game isn’t listed in the charts:

a) The game in question isn’t really a MMOG, at least by my reckoning. Games like Diablo II and Phantasy Star Online fall into this category. Guild Wars developers say in their own FAQ that they do not consider their game a MMOG; in addition, it doesn’t charge a monthly fee (see below). Please don’t email me trying to insist otherwise; I’m not likely to be convinced.

Ctb · Apr 22, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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I was amazed when I looked at the most professional work on MMO statistics:

From the guy's profile:

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* Owner, MMOG Analyst at MMOGCHART.COM
* Independent Analyst, Consultant, Designer, and Writer (Self-employed)

Past
* Director (ex officio) at Playnet, Inc.
* Angel Investor (Self-employed)
* IT Consultant (Self-employed)

Professional? How is this guy not just somebody with a website? The only real position he even lists has extra description that implies he may have only held that position due to some sort of external circumstance (e.g.: maybe he was the only employee...)

Anarkii · Apr 22, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

By professional, he probably was referring to the quality/credibility of his work rather than where he's employed. I've known that site for a long time now, and it's fairly accurate.

Azreal911 · Apr 22, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

I do rather like WoW's dungeons, though. I know Anet tried with Eye of the North, but...it really didn't work, though I can't pinpoint quite why.

I liked wow's dungeons also. I've played both and was able to only get to 2 dungeons in GW one was cause it was a primary. The real problem? there's no global LFG for dungeons and such that wow has, where you can select from a list and advertise. I've been wanting to try the other dungeons but when I get to the towns there's like no one even looking for a team.

hurdlebeast · Apr 22, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by JR

Guild Wars would probably be rated considerably higher if they merged the chapters under one title for the purpose of ratings.

Honestly, I don't understand how they aren't rated higher. I mean come on, they passed the 5 million unit mark a while ago. that's gotta count for something. It just seems like all the "Top 10 MMORPG" lists forget? ignore? Guild Wars. That's all IMO, of course.

To OP: pretty good thread, well written and very deep, but i do disagree on a few things. other than that, great job

MithranArkanere · Apr 22, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra

"Comparisons are odious"

There is no need to ashame all those naive WoW players that keep paying for that... thing.

sixofone · Apr 22, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

I tried the WoW on a free trial and wasn't impressed. I prefer the look of GW's characters to WoW's toons. I prefer GW's skills to WoW's system of (pretty much) the same skill over and over, just at a more powerful level. GW's skills are more diverse, I think.

I don't know... I came from Morrowind and Oblivion, and wanted to try an on-line RPG, and GW got me hooked (8 characters - no Monk, no Warrior - yet). I haven't bought GW:EN because, aside from the extra heroes and some armor, I don't like the system they've introduced in it. (It does away with professions, basically, and it's all based on rank.) I like the pace of GW vs. WoW, but do wish they would allow H&H in all areas of the PvE game and not force us to PUG. (PUG = :shudder

My favorite so far: my modded Morrowind, tbh. For the RP aspect of a RPG, that is.

One last note: I can't see paying $10+ every month to play the same game. That was another bonus to GW over WoW or any other MMORPG. EVE on-line? Is it worth $180/year?? I don't think so. No on-line RPG should charge more than $5/month as a subscription. I might spend $120 a year on a couple of games, but that gives me a set of choices, some variety. $120 to play the same game - and more if they come out with an "expansion"? No thank you.

Ctb · Apr 22, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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it really didn't work, though I can't pinpoint quite why.

There's no motivation to do them - or anything else in Guild Wars.

WoW gives you that fake sense of accomplishment for wasting hours on end doing something in front of your computer. Guild Wars, however, by virtue of the fact that almost nothing that drops is worth anything, only leaves you feeling like you wasted your time when you spend an hour grinding through a dungeon only to get a Req 13 14^50 gold at the end.

That's one thing that's annoyed me about Guild Wars for awhile now. The amount of time invested in doing things never pays off anymore, so if you don't feel like doing something for the sake of doing it (which for those of us who've gone through all the storylines is most things), there's no motivation to do it. You race up to level 20, hit the cap, finish the storyline, save enough money for an elite armor and some nifty looking perfect weapons... and then nothing's left.

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One last note: I can't see paying $10+ every month to play the same game.

I used to think that way, but, frankly, with all the extra things you get with WoW over Guild Wars or single player games, I think it's worth it. There's absolutely no contest between the sheer number of things you can do in Guild Wars and what you can do in other games like WoW, Everquest, LOTRO, Eve, etc. Guild Wars is a single pay game like a single player game... but it really, REALLY shows sometimes and feels an awful lot like a single player game with a really fancy 3D avatar chat system.

Honestly, I think if it weren't for the innovation in combat and the decent Prophecies storyline, I'd have been very disappointed in Guild Wars when I first got it.

DarkWasp · Apr 22, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

So reading this post, I came to a conclusion. GW2, with a presistant world and a trade system, and a higher level cap.... IS GONNA BE SO FREAKING AWESOME!

AJD · Apr 22, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Ctb

There's no motivation to do them - or anything else in Guild Wars.

WoW gives you that fake sense of accomplishment for wasting hours on end doing something in front of your computer. Guild Wars, however, by virtue of the fact that almost nothing that drops is worth anything, only leaves you feeling like you wasted your time when you spend an hour grinding through a dungeon only to get a Req 13 14^50 gold at the end.

The problem with wow is that it is the perpetual carrot on a stick system, it never ends, yes it gives you something to do but after a while the carrot is not worth it anymore, especially when the new expansion comes out and your carrot is worthless.

The problem with GW is that they give you the carrot right off the bat, but in Anets defense this is how they designed the game.

IMO, WoW is severely outdated at this point, everything about it is clunky, from the interface to the guild and character system they have in place all the way to the game play itself and the graphics. With new games coming out (GW 2 included) I think this will become more and more evident. The only reason they keep getting new players right now is because no one has come out with anything decent since guild wars and GW players are bored and moving over.

Ctb · Apr 22, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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The reason wow is so wildly successful is that it is the perpetual carrot on a stick system, it never ends

FTFY

I don't like it either, personally, but let's not kid ourselves. Sitting in front of a computer, stained with Cheetohs and high on Mountain Dew, running the same raid for the fiftieth time to get a piece of equipment that will prepare you to run the next raid fifty times is, apparently, what the majority wants.

The majority also wants American Idol, more Rush Hour sequels, and new Fallout Boy albums, so you can kind of see the pattern here regarding majority opinions....

Bryant Again · Apr 22, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Different strokes for different folks. I think I've said that over five trillion times now.

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Professional? How is this guy not just somebody with a website?

Fril said "most professional work on MMO statistics". He didn't state that he was a "professional".

(Glad the guy agrees with me in GW not being an MMO, though).

Ctb · Apr 22, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Different strokes for different folks. I think I've said that over five trillion times now.

I like to look at this way regarding a lot of things: I'll respect your right to entertain yourself in any way you want, but I don't have to respect the fact that you're doing it.

I mean... I think if people want to watch Jackass: The Movie, that's their prerogative, but I'm still going to think poorly of them for doing it.

Bryant Again · Apr 22, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I like to look at this way regarding a lot of things: I'll respect your right to entertain yourself in any way you want, but I don't have to respect the fact that you're doing it.

I mean... I think if people want to watch Jackass: The Movie, that's their prerogative, but I'm still going to think poorly of them for doing it.

You're going to think poorly of people who play a particular game? If anything, it should be the motivations of playing it that you should frown upon, but that doesn't apply only to WoW.

Ctb · Apr 22, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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You're going to think poorly of people who play a particular game?

No, but I do think poorly of some of the people who play these games. Any way you slice it, sitting at your computer for 10 hours a day grinding away at raids, wrecking your marriage, and ignoring your family isn't respectable, and I won't respect those people.

The rest of the players who just play for fun now and then? I couldn't possibly care less about them one way or another since I don't know them.

Tyla · Apr 22, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I know it's going to look like blasphemy (don't impale me mods!) but I'll res this thread for Wetley, who wanted to discuss WoW-vs-GW. Here it is, 25 pages for you to read! Almost everything has been said.

Yay for thread res.
You could of just gave him the URL or told him to search for this specific thread, couldn't you?

Anyway, already said, it's not reviews, or whatever people say, if you like a game, you like a game.
It's all about your decisions in the end.