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razor39999 · Apr 24, 2008, 02:01 PM // 14:01

People cheat more often than play fair, it's a common fact of life and any games. It makes sense economically and evolutionary. The only real thing to discuss here is the degree of the cheat.
So like someone on page 1 said - Depends on how big the difference is. That's the only real important issue IMO, whether it's making 10-20% off of a high end sale or making 200+% off a black dye from a presearing newcomer. Those are different degrees of a cheat and shouldn't be confused with each other just because they both are "thefts" so to speak.

Medion · Apr 24, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by razor39999

People cheat more often than play fair, it's a common fact of life and any games. It makes sense economically and evolutionary. The only real thing to discuss here is the degree of the cheat.
So like someone on page 1 said - Depends on how big the difference is. That's the only real important issue IMO, whether it's making 10-20% off of a high end sale or making 200+% off a black dye from a presearing newcomer. Those are different degrees of a cheat and shouldn't be confused with each other just because they both are "thefts" so to speak.

I'm sorry, but morally there is no difference. If I steal €1,- in reallife, it morally is just as wrong as stealing €100,- from the same person.

dunky_g · Apr 24, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

To be fair, if your going to be dealing with things worth more than 10k when your a nobb that would be suprising, and in the grand scale of things 10k isnt alot.

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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A part of morality being: Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.

Blah blah blah, all I'm hearing here are "facts" and "evidence" and "dictionary definitions".

Well, here's one for you Aristotle: "morality" has to do with one's "morals" which come from the "heart" and their "feelings". And I "feel" in my "heart" what I said while you just used your "brain" for what you said. Which of us is more moral now, egghead?

(the entire preceding post should be read firmly tongue in cheek

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(also with the appropriate nod to Colbert for the inspiration)

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To be fair, if your going to be dealing with things worth more than 10k when your a nobb that would be suprising,

Superior Vigor

Which I currently have four of in storage that I can't bring to waste on the few heroes left that don't have 'em...

razor39999 · Apr 24, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

And that's why ethics isn't a science and evolutionary biology (a theory of trade-offs basically) is. Looking at things in categories and not as overlapping continuums is VERY narrow. But that's beside the point of this discussion anyways. Sorry for off-topicking.

Sub Frost · Apr 24, 2008, 02:14 PM // 14:14

That's between you and your Conscience.

the savage nornbear · Apr 24, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Its OK if you want to go to guild wars hell, or have bad guild wars karma, or whatever. Everyone is a newb at some point and its not fair to "steal" from them. I didn't know about Guru or Wiki and I was in a guild with real life friends that knew less than I did. Unless they're being really jerky, then steal away.

FrAnt1c² · Apr 24, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

I once bought a 20/20 req 9 fire zodiac staff for 10k from an asshole in my previous guild, serves him right...

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

If you know that you're saving a considerable difference of money, then yes I think it's not a totally nice thing to do.

Painbringer · Apr 24, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09

just don't buy 40 ambraces for 10k (bells should be going off)

BlueNovember · Apr 24, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Medion

I'm sorry, but morally there is no difference. If I steal €1,- in reallife, it morally is just as wrong as stealing €100,- from the same person.

Wait, what?
How far does that logic of yours extend? How about €1 and €1,000,000?
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On topic,
No of course it's fair. Welcome to the real world. :\
That said, if someone was selling an item worth for 100k for 1k, I'd be ever-so-generous and pay 10k. If he still sells, he's happy, I'm happy. If he gets suspicious and finds the correct price from someone else, then good for him.

On a similarly cynical note, fair-trade chocolate tastes horrible.

ProgTes · Apr 24, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

BlueNovember I totally disagree with you. Fair-trade pure chocolate is the best pure chocolate there is, and I don't even like pure chocolate.

On topic: of course it's perfectly fair. That's how I make my money.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

1: Its not good to spoon feed people with prices all the time.
2: Being nice to people does not pay 90% of the time. I have been there, done that. Don't tell me otherwise. (Though I still try to be nice to people unless they turn nasty)
3: If someone wish to sell something way away from the market standard, be it high or low, its up to you to want to buy it from him. He has given his price, its up to you now. As someone else has mentioned here before, the same person selling a crys sword for 10k could be the same person selling a dead sword for 100k + xx ectos. And if you are so kind to point out (NICELY) that his sword does not worth so much, you MIGHT be called names, and labelled a scammer.

In a GVG match, if your opposing team is using very bad builds and clearly do not know of websites that could teach them more about builds, do you stop and try to educate them or do you own the hell out of them?

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

I laughed when I read some of these replies. Some of you have a big shock ahead of you. The real world will kick you while your down, and will continue kicking until you fight back.

Nazar Razak · Apr 24, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Depends entirely on the person for me. If its a newb, who got very lucky and found a rare item, and that Newb happens to be literate, and a nice person, i'd tell him/her the proper price, and go about my day. If it was one of those "lulul, i gut th1s gaem nd im 1337, beta dan u, i WTSSS dis fur 2k" then i will snap up the offer, and silently laugh at them. Both situations have happened far too many times for me.
To sum up "WTS requirement 9 zodiac sword for 5k" "Do you know the proper price of that item?" "no, but i found it and id like to make some money, i started this game not long ago" "ah, well its worth XXXk, dont sell it for less!".

"Sell UBER ULTRA sord. GODLY PERFECT. only 1kkkk!" "Ill buy for 2"

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I laughed when I read some of these replies. Some of you have a big shock ahead of you. The real world will kick you while your down, and will continue kicking until you fight back.

allow me to add:

and the harder you fight back, the harder you get kicked

Tyla · Apr 24, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by kobey

allow me to add:

and the harder you fight back, the harder you get kicked

I've experienced that, it hurts when it's against some huge guy twice as big as you older than you kicking you in the teeth multiple times.
*COUGH*Mallyx*COUGH*

Medion · Apr 24, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Wait, what?
How far does that logic of yours extend? How about €1 and €1,000,000?

Still the same, say you stole €1,000,000 from Bill Gates (took a random rich guy I thought everyone'd know here) you're unable to sleep, but if you stole€1,- from him you would be able to sleep?
Sure, it may be easier to reason with yourself (and anyone else) that stealing that €1,- wasn't as bad as stealing €1,000,000 (he won't notice it as much) but morally it makes no difference does it? You still know* that that €1,- isn't yours.

*In this case, knowing is not meant as 'knowing a fact' but 'feeling really strong about something' if you know what I mean

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

True. Money solves many things. In life, and in GW.

I made lots, most of it was from buying low, and then selling high.

Everyone is fair game. I used my knowledge to my advantage.

Taste your distaste all you want. I care not what people think of how I play, and what I do.

The Way Out · Apr 24, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

True. Money solves many things. In life, and in GW.

I made lots, most of it was from buying low, and then selling high.

Everyone is fair game. I used my knowledge to my advantage.

Taste your distaste all you want. I care not what people think of how I play, and what I do.

lol... Thought I would stop in and said what's up. I stopped playing GW, altogether. I logged in the other day and people where complaining about how poor they were. I still have a substantial amount of funds on my characters. I seriously don't understand how people go without ig... it really baffles me. Anyhow, glad to see you are still going strong, Malice!