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Dawgboy · Apr 24, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Nice community. Prey on the ignorants and then blame it on them.

Wouldn't it be better if you actually HELPED someone instead of taking advantage? Lots of players don't know about wiki or fansites; tell them.
They might actually stick around and help populate this dying game.

Holly Herro · Apr 24, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Absolutely not.

Just because they can open up a page and go find the price etc doesn't mean they should have to =/ what if they don't know about these kinds of websites? This doesn't mean you should take advantage of these people >___<

RedStar · Apr 24, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

I may sound evil by saying that, but if you are going to sell something then do some researches on the price of that item.
If you are not going to buy it, then you should maybe tell them the real price.

Also : do you find it okay to sell a item over their normal price to someone ? it's the same thing, if you want to buy something, do some researches.

Darkobra · Apr 24, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Blaming the victim is not a sufficient justification of your actions. It does not matter how easy it is to find the price of the item, it does not matter whether it is in game money or not. It is a matter of a principle.

The OP mentions buying expensive item for cheap.

And who makes the prices? Who's to say what's expensive or what's cheap? That's right. Greed. Greed drives prices up to make them what they're worth. But it's nice of you to ignore a good chunk of my post and take things out of context.

But who am I to blame? I'm just the victim.

As for being new, let's not try to fight ignorance with ignorance. When I was new, or when I am currently new in ANY game, I ask. I research. I don't dive head first and leave my pockets ripe for picking. That's just stupid.

Bottom line, it's a grey area. Giving someone the money they're asking for is NOT scamming them. If they feel they can get more, they can feel free to ask for more.

Now to wait for a few people to take out a few subjective words and make it out as if I worship the devil himself.

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

It's perfectly within the rules. I see a lot of you are very naive in the ways of business.

As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem.

Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone.

Toxage · Apr 24, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

If someone is selling an item for a good deal, why would I refuse? They are selling it cheaply because that is how much THEY want. If they wanted more then they would have asked for more. I don't understand how purchasing something for someone's asking price is being "mean"?

Let's use real life in this example. If a car dealership was going to sell you a convertible sports car for $1,000 would you complain? Of course not!

Note : I am only ok with people purchasing items for a low value if the new player party sets the price, or accepts your offer.

I don't think it is ok to lie to a player to get the item you desire you a lower price. I.E in a Underworld Pug to get my HOM monument a warrior tried to purchase someone's ecto for 100 gold, calling it worthless, that isn't right.

StormDragonZ · Apr 24, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Best example from me was when I bought a Mini Shiro and Mini Koss Undedicated for 13k combined. I told the person afterwords that they're worth much more than that. He responded back saying he knew that, but it mattered little to him. He didn't care for minis and felt like someone who really wanted them could have them for as low as he sold them for.

In the end, some people just sell stuff they dislike or hate for much less.

Powerful White Man · Apr 24, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Egwene Tyr

I read all these replies and shake my head. It seems to me that some of you started playing this game with full knowledge of it and all the ins and outs.

I remember when I first started playing. I knew no one who played GW and I wasn't in a guild either.. took me 6 month to finally get in to one.

I didn't know about Guru or Wiki at all when I started playing.. and I was always like "PC on this time please"

I don't think it's right to take advantage of, as you guy's call em "noob's".
But I guess that's each there own. Just keep in mind. It'll come back to ya.

There's my $0.01

Tyr

Karma is a load of shit.

Celestial_Kitsune · Apr 24, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Bottom line, it's a grey area. Giving someone the money they're asking for is NOT scamming them. If they feel they can get more, they can feel free to ask for more.

It is scamming when the seller does not know the price and the buyer gains significant amount. The gray area would be defining exactly what percentage of the estimated real price is too cheap.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

It's perfectly within the rules. I see a lot of you are very naive in the ways of business.

Something that is withing the rules does not necessarily make it right. It depends on your perspective. Buying an item that is relatively less expensive compared to the true price is ok, but not so when the price difference is significant.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem.

I don't think it would be nice of you to buy a black dye from someone for 100g.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone.

The real life example was given just to illustrate the principle. Yes, such things happened, are happening now, and will happen, but that does not mean people should support it.

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Let's use real life in this example. If a car dealership was going to sell you a convertible sports car for $1,000 would you complain? Of course not!

Some people would complain.

Toxage · Apr 24, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Some people would complain.

No, no one would complain. If a car dealership offering you a libergine for $1000, NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN. Even in the event you didn't desire the car, you could just flip it for a enormous profit.

Your just attempting to be argumentative. You are making a pathetic attempt to troll the forums, just leave.

kthxbye

Dr Strangelove · Apr 24, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

It's perfectly within the rules. I see a lot of you are very naive in the ways of business.

As long as the 2 parties agree a price they are both happy with, the trade is fair. If someone sells an item without knowing it's current market value, that is entirely their problem.

Using real life examples to justify your point just makes you look like you have no point worth considering. You may not like the fact this happens, but you need to accept the fact it has happened in every MMO, and it will continue to happen well after GW is gone.

This. Trading isn't fair, and it doesn't have to be. I'd say you're a douchebag if you go out of your way to trick someone on a price, but there's nothing wrong with it.

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 24, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Do I think it's okay? Yes.

The seller sets the price for the items they want to sell. End of. How they reached that amount, as long as they weren't deceived, doesn't matter.
At the same time if they can't take out a little time to research the correct amount then that right there shows how much they care about the price.
And lastly, I've sold things for really low prices before if not just flat out gave them away. I don't use them, I don't want them and it's not always about making bank on a trade. So, how am I or any one else supposed to know they aren't just being nice?

Side note: Why do people always use the term "noob" incorrectly? It's pretty much lost all meaning to me.

Kashrlyyk · Apr 24, 2008, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by Molock

Why not? When I was a newb I took the time to come and check forums for pricing to make sure I didn't get screwed over. If people don't want to do that its their own problem.

I didn´t know that it is an requirement for playing GW to know about Guru!

Celestial_Kitsune · Apr 24, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Toxage

No, no one would complain. If a car dealership offering you a libergine for $1000, NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN. Even in the event you didn't desire the car, you could just flip it for a enormous profit.

Your just attempting to be argumentative. You are making a pathetic attempt to troll the forums, just leave.

kthxbye

Profit is not paramount for all people. Why a person would be selling the car for such a price? Does s/he know the real price? Is that person in good mental health? Perhaps, s/he is completely aware of the price and doing it just for charity, which would be acceptable. However, if for some reason the person is not aware of the true price, it would be nice to inform her/him.

Darkobra · Apr 24, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

It is scamming when the seller does not know the price and the buyer gains significant amount.

No, it's scamming when the buyer LIES about the price and deceives the seller. This is the seller offering a price and the buyer agreeing to it in a mutual trade.

Do you want me to bring up the two years of being a player mod in an online game, or do you want me to just crack open the dictionary definitions? Either way, you're wrong.

Don't know why I bother posting more than a line. We all know you'll just take it out of context and try to defend yourself in a losing battle. Ah well. Free entertainment is never to be scorned at.

RedStar · Apr 24, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

It's not but come on, it's their choice...
It may be taking advantage on someone, but it's not like someone would be dumb enough to sell a mini panda for 5k (and if they did, how dare they ? they should have sold it to me xD).

My point is : it's not like you are scamming them or taking advantage of their lack of knowledge. Because if you have find an expensive weapon you should already know by then that it isn't worth 1k (unless someone gave it to you).

Kashrlyyk · Apr 24, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

No, it's scamming when the buyer LIES about the price and deceives the seller. This is the seller offering a price and the buyer agreeing to it in a mutual trade.

Do you want me to bring up the two years of being a player mod in an online game, or do you want me to just crack open the dictionary definitions? Either way, you're wrong.

Don't know why I bother posting more than a line. We all know you'll just take it out of context and try to defend yourself in a losing battle. Ah well. Free entertainment is never to be scorned at.

Sorry, that is bullshit, because it would mean that every single contract is legal and valid, because both agreed to it, no matter what.
There are enough court sentences that say otherwise.

Pleikki · Apr 24, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

It aint OK imo.. there are many ppl that say to noobs "yeah that item sucks, but hey i got strange taste and i want it, Change it to this purple bow"
It isnt never right cheat others.

Celestial_Kitsune · Apr 24, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

No, it's scamming when the buyer LIES about the price and deceives the seller. This is the seller offering a price and the buyer agreeing to it in a mutual trade.

It is fine when the seller knows the true price and still decides to sell the items cheaply. It is wrong when the seller does not know the true price. Would you buy a black dye for 100g when the seller does not know about the true price?

This might not be considered scamming according to your definitions, but it does not make it right.

Darkobra · Apr 24, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

It is fine when the seller knows the true price and still decides to sell the items cheaply. It is wrong when the seller does not know the true price. Would you buy a black dye for 100g when the seller does not know about the true price?

If you were prepared to read all my posts fully, you'd see that I'd pay more than what he was asking. But now that I know you haven't done that, I know you'll continue not to.

So this is the last time I'll repeat myself. The seller has all the resources available to him. It is not a difficult thing to ask. I have done it and I continue to do it across all games. It is not a scam to give him the EXACT amount he's asking for. You haven't lied to him in any way or given him less than what he's asked for.

For any other questions that you seem to be repeating, read over the first few pages again and again. Look for your answers. You have all the resources available to you.

There's karma for you.