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Lord Sojar · Apr 30, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by fusa

You can send a report through the PlayNC site. I know that scammers are banned for trading scams, but think I remember that scams involving services aren't punished. Think this was since its hard to tell exactly what was to be done and how and when payment was to be made. But I agree with Rahja that A-net really doesn't seem to care about the quality of its playerbase or seem to want to do anything to improve it.
A couple of other things that could be done is a vote system to kick party members (with their drops being locked or disappear after kick) Another could be an online reputation system, more you're banned the worse of a flag you get. (Banned once your character name is yellow instead of green, twice color is orange, etc)

reporting through the PlayNC site has several issues:

1). They ignore you.
2). The "GM"s that provide the "support" are a bunch of worthless invertebrates who spam their automated responses in hopes you will just give up.
3). The process is painstaking, tedious, and disorganzied.
4). You might not even get a reply.
5). Even if you do get a reply, they don't care about such "petty" issues.
6). They close your report without doing follow up.

PlayNC is the biggest pile of feces I have ever seen when it comes to player "support." For them to even call the service they provide support is almost a blatant lie.

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Originally Posted by Powerful White Man

I say if a player is stupid enough to get scammed, then good.

Right, everyone knows exactly who scammers are and can pinpoint them just be smelling them. I have been playing this game longer than you. That doesn't say much for your argument does it? Especially coming from a lowly Academy Page, someone who just joined this month. You might want to be careful whose toes you step on around here bub.

VitisVinifera · Apr 30, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Anyways, I stopped charging, and just do it by myself. Wish there was a way to report these people.

And Powerful White Man: how do you propose not getting scammed by non-paying afkers? Do you have a special mental ability to identify these people you'd like to share?

Malice Black · Apr 30, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Powerful White Man

I say if a player is stupid enough to get scammed, then good.

I agree when it comes to people who get caught out by the "drop it on the ground, and I'll dupe it", but scamming for a measly few k is just...sad.

kade · Apr 30, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

forgive my ignorance, whats cof stand for?

Lord Sojar · Apr 30, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I agree when it comes to people who get caught out by the "drop it on the ground, and I'll dupe it", but scamming for a measly few k is just...sad.

It really is sad and pathetic, that I will agree with. I really didn't care one bit about the 2k. I mean, walk outside, kill 20 creatures. Done, 2k.

But, it the idea that after 3 years, these players still get away with the same old bullcrap, and ArenaNet/PlayNC have done nothing to damper their thievery.

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Dr Strangelove · Apr 30, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

A report tab for scammers would be abused.

It's a good thing no one abuses the report function for other tabs.

kratimas · Apr 30, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

attention please: because anet never intended any single person to be able to do a dungoen solo (hence running) u are in danger of having actions taken against u for abusing a bug.

Please show my anywhere or anything that says "ANet never intended any single person to be able to do a dungoen solo."

Thanks

R.Shayne · Apr 30, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Here is a pick I took of my last run.

I am pretty sure scammers know they are safe and nothing can be done about them, the funny part is that there was two scammers in this group with one going AFK at the beginning of the level. Finished the run and told everyone this would be my last run ever and to thank the scammer on the way out.

Yuhe Ji · Apr 30, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by kade

forgive my ignorance, whats cof stand for?

Cathedral of Flames. The quest is called Temple of the Damned and can be taken at Doomlore Shrine.

wraithe · Apr 30, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

a run i was on last week..the runner had a scammer..so he kept a group alive in murakais room..asked everyone to back up near entrance and pulled that group to End Chest then left..if i recall the group didnt go back to their original position..

so scammer comes to get chest..to his surprise he is dead before he can open..lol

2k for run
1.5k reward
sale of drops
hidden treasures

scammers are stupid..

guolisong · Apr 30, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

Here is a pick I took of my last run.

I am pretty sure scammers know they are safe and nothing can be done about them, the funny part is that there was two scammers in this group with one going AFK at the beginning of the level. Finished the run and told everyone this would be my last run ever and to thank the scammer on the way out.

One of the reasons I preferred ATFH run over CoF run, same payment but less loss for the runner if he/she gets scammed. When I do runs I request payment either ahead of the time or half now, never gotten a scammer ever since. However, I did get a bunch of people telling me they won't pay anything ahead of the time, which imo is pathetic if you don't even want to pay half why should I on the other hand trust you.

Why would people scam anyways?
Satisfaction from oh I took advantage of that moment?

Master Sword Keeper · Apr 30, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

hmmm sounds like we're all suckers to our own selves herre...

Whilst i stand at my workstation eating my gravy and tato I look onwards to the simple lives of our CoF Runners....

In noting this, I too dual run CoF with my smiter and beautiful woman that i know and we've never had a scammer join our team, Or maybe it's the fact if they try to scam we brg the house down on them, or i can make them leave on DEMAND.

No i don't press a button and they dissappear...it'd be nice... Nah

seriously..You want a scammer to leave or force them to pay you, make sure the rest of the team knows what you and your partner are doing. If you do it right, The scammers or would-be scammers will leave and you'll be free to continue on with LOYAL party members.

Make your words count and dont use swearwords... Sheesh. GL

kobey · Apr 30, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

I do sympathize with the OP in this sort of scamming case. Nothing much you can do to prevent yourself from getting hit by the scammer. Solutions to this problem either pose other more severe problems or aren't workable.

Think the best you can do is either to run only regular/known customers, guildies/friends or just remembed the scammers and NEVER get scammed twice by the same scammer. Thats the best solution I can think of.

maraxusofk · Apr 30, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You cannot be serious... LOLOLOL. Soloing is a mainstay of the game. There is no bug you twit, it is simple skill synergy. Thank Protective spirit and Spriit bond for being two of the most game breaking skills in the game. And it isn't solo, it is a two man party (or you + a hero) Nice attempt to troll though, /applause.

my bad guess i shoulda been more specific in my sarcasm. i was trying to speak in the same vein as the people calling double ram game breaking abuse, hence quotes. oops. edited previous post to be more clear.

korcan · Apr 30, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Once again, in the wake of ignorance, I will point out the fact that the amount doesn't matter. There needs to be a tab added so if the team reports them for scamming the issues is investigated. Typically the rest of the team is angered by the scammer. If they added a Scamming tab, this issue would be resolved. Don't be ignorant and only look at the "big" issues. The amount doesn't matter, it, AGAIN, is the fact that people like this do this all day long in order to build up huge sums of money because they leech off others time and energy. The amount is irrelevant... do not make me repeat myself again.

"in the wake of ignorance", i'll tell you why your scamming tab idea is chalk-full of fail. typically, "scammers" usually only end up pissing off 1 person in a group - the individual performing the service. having said that, how many people in your CoF run do you think would actually use your scamming tab to report a scammer? 1? maybe 2 people?

players that provide services should know that there is an inherent risk involved. if you can't handle the heat, get the f out the kitchen.

HawkofStorms · Apr 30, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by korcan

"in the wake of ignorance", i'll tell you why your scamming tab idea is chalk-full of fail. typically, "scammers" usually only end up pissing off 1 person in a group - the individual performing the service. having said that, how many people in your CoF run do you think would actually use your scamming tab to report a scammer? 1? maybe 2 people?

players that provide services should know that there is an inherent risk involved. if you can't handle the heat, get the f out the kitchen.

Umm... you do realize that other then the leacher command in PvP (which is automated) all other /reports do not require a majority opinion, or even multiple, repeated reportings.
/a.net supposedly hand checks all reports (although I'm sure there is some sort of screening process where more reports from more random people = higher priority). The "it doesn't affect many people" arguement is a bad one. It is the same stuff used to defend "victimless" crime like shoplifting and drug abuse.

Although I agree that a /scammer function on report would be a bad idea. Too many idiots think that trying to buy low and sell high/play the market for a couple a plat per trade is "scamming." You freakin' agreed to the set price.

Shadowfox1125 · Apr 30, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

just H/H it, i dont need a punk to run CoF Hm

You run this because it's profitable, more so for the runners, but it's still profitable for the run-ees. You pay 2k for the run while the quest rewards you with 1.5k. Of course then you have drops, hidden treasures, locked chest, etc.

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pamelf · Apr 30, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Running isn't part of the game...it's not a dupe, it's not even technically a scam. All runners take a risk when they run, (and frankly i think it's ludicrous the amounts they charge sometimes. Which is only one of the many reasons i never get run.) If you can start reporting people for leeching during runs, you should also be able to report exploitative runners.

There's nothing i think that Anet should do about this issue at all since it's a player created issue, and nothing that is actually part of the game dynamic.

RedNova88 · Apr 30, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Scammers stop at nothing to do what they do. It doesn't matter if it's 500g or 10k. The scammer is just out to make someone's day harder. Either that or they're morons and actually think that measly 2k is worth it. Spread his name around and before you know it he's on every persons ignore list and is basically blacklisted.

xshadowwolfx · Apr 30, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

why is this a scam again? What is he scamming you of? Sorry Im not to familiar of CoF runs.