Curse

Pleikki · Dec 31, 2007, 07:02 AM // 07:02

mm Maybe 1 Build from there ive gotten..

Solus Spartan · Dec 31, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

The vetting system on that site is f***ed. No, I don't use it.

DarkSpirit · Dec 31, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56

I use it quite often and they have some nice build ideas in there but some of the builds are not optimal, meaning that they can definitely be improved upon, even those with the "Great" recommendations.

Talking about farming builds, there are vital details left out on some of the farming builds. For example take this one with the "Good" recommendation:

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/...stroyer_Farmer

If you follow the build as it is, it would not work. Why? Because they left out the points that you need to pump for Air Magic and I bet he actually has a minor rune for Air Magic too to put Glyph of Swiftness over to affect 2 spells instead of 1 from his video.

I dont know who actually vets them, but vital information should be included in a recommended build. This is one case where you can say the proposed build is not optimal and I can lower the risk by just adding a minor air rune and allocating the spare stat points to air.

Fril Estelin · Dec 31, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

there is no defence for people who make an excuse for lack of skill by saying "they have a life".

Re-read my post, I was not asking you to defend anyone, simply to answer in a non-flaming way and be kind to your fellow GW player (I'm trying to, so sorry if you feel I'm flaming you, apologies!). Yeah sure, argh's answer probably deserved the same reply that I gave to you, so let's rectify this right now: argh is also part of this bunch of GW players that turn the "competitive" aspect of the game into a "normal behavior" where you replace a polite comment by a flame.

Bear in mind it's just a game, you can play hard, kill hard, but be fair to people: "you suck" means NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, it's a personal judgement totally relative to your opinion of what one has said, not done (I wouldn't use it for you, despite the fact that one could say your answers suck). You are totally entitled to your opinion on people, but there's a huge difference between telling people they suck and pointing them to your situation ("you should be like me, do what I do and understand as I understand").

I personnally laugh at people that tell me I'm bad, because I extremely rarely pretend I'm good. I rather see it as a weakness in them, their inability to understand the range of situations that we, the "average/normal/casual" player, share. I work in computing and security and I could flame a lot of people for their incompetence (we could almost answer "google it" or "GWiki it" to almost any question), but I won't, because there's no way people who don't work in this industry will understand it as I do. Giving knowledge and pointing to it requires politeness and to put aside the "competition" for a minute or two so that this knowledge is passed on. And don't think that pointing at the PvX site is enough (I was first surprised by the lack of information compared to GWiki, then at the fact that some build have inconsisten information on their use, some of the RA Ele builds for example).

And I should say this once more with the hope that you'll understand me now: I'm simply pointing at the fact that people (read the MMORPG.com review of EotN) say that GW's community is terrible (I had wonderful experience, no doubt about it) and not kind at all with the "newbies" (who are not n00bs). We need more pedagogy in this community, if not it'll simply die on itself because people think that others suck and should simply be as "good" as they are. Hope I was clear this time.

angmar_nite · Dec 31, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I use it quite often and they have some nice build ideas in there but some of the builds are not optimal, meaning that they can definitely be improved upon, even those with the "Great" recommendations.

Talking about farming builds, there are vital details left out on some of the farming builds. For example take this one with the "Good" recommendation:

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/...stroyer_Farmer

If you follow the build as it is, it would not work. Why? Because they left out the points that you need to pump for Air Magic and I bet he actually has a minor rune for Air Magic too to put Glyph of Swiftness over to affect 2 spells instead of 1 from his video.

I dont know who actually vets them, but vital information should be included in a recommended build. This is one case where you can say the proposed build is not optimal and I can lower the risk by just adding a minor air rune and allocating the spare stat points to air.

vid is from way back when skill was bugged.

Dervish Kid · Dec 31, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I look for the lastest farming builds..but cant use because i dont have of the prophecy skills

Terraban · Dec 31, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

And I should say this once more with the hope that you'll understand me now: I'm simply pointing at the fact that people (read the MMORPG.com review of EotN) say that GW's community is terrible (I had wonderful experience, no doubt about it) and not kind at all with the "newbies" (who are not n00bs). We need more pedagogy in this community, if not it'll simply die on itself because people think that others suck and should simply be as "good" as they are. Hope I was clear this time.

A lot of the "newbie" hate comes from them not listening when you try to explain something.

Me: Mending is a horrible healing skill on a Warrior.
Them: It works for me so I don't care, don't tell me how to play.
Me: Ok whatever.

Then they play through the game, they buy their FoW armor, they buy their Tormented Set, then they go to RA with Mending, Healing Breeze, and Resurrect.

Chael · Dec 31, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Every online game I join touts that it has the worst community.
Revelation: online game communities as a whole are ugly. GW is nothing special.

Terraban · Dec 31, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Chael

Every online game I join touts that it has the worst community.
Revelation: online game communities as a whole are ugly. GW is nothing special.

Guild Wars is actually a lot better than the Diablo 2 community. So Guild Wars at least isn't the "worst".

byteme! · Dec 31, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

I don't use PvX Wiki because like many I have played this game long enough to understand the fundamental basics and observing the battlefield and adjusting my own builds accordingly. Also I do not use 1 build/hero setup throughout GW. I mix things up all the time. I'll test out new setups and once I think they are optimized to my liking I'll save it as a template and start tweaking other setups. Keeps things interesting, keeps my mind working and it's fun to come up with your own setups and watching them fail/succeed.

I personally dislike PvX Wiki and I advise new players to NEVER EVER use it. Reason being is far too many new players just copy builds with no idea how to use them properly. Being given a build and being told it works is 1 thing, knowing how the build works and how to utilitize it effectively is another.

Also the builds posted on the PvX website are from players just like the rest of us, which means they are prone to be BAD. New players don't/won't know this . Many of us (some of you call us Elitists) try to "teach" new players things such as why Healing Breeze sucks the big one but with sites like PvX advertising such builds new players automatically assume these skills are "good". "It must be good! It's on Wiki!".

To wrap it all up....
Wiki = fail (use Wiki only if you don't plan to spend more then a few months playing and you're not the least bit interested in learning to play better or at least understand the game mechanics)
Take your time and learn the game = win (emphasis on taking your time since some of you don't have much and GW is as casual as you can make it)

akurun · Dec 31, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/...stroyer_Farmer

If you follow the build as it is, it would not work. Why? Because they left out the points that you need to pump for Air Magic and I bet he actually has a minor rune for Air Magic too to put Glyph of Swiftness over to affect 2 spells instead of 1 from his video.

The usage says to just use it on Obs Flesh, so why does it matter whether if affects two spells?

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I dont know who actually vets them, but vital information should be included in a recommended build. This is one case where you can say the proposed build is not optimal and I can lower the risk by just adding a minor air rune and allocating the spare stat points to air.

There's no use to getting a 2 spell glyph in that build. The only other spell that you really want to recharge faster is sliver and it's not going to be affect by the glyph unless you spec enough air for 3 spell glyph.

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