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anonymous · May 16, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

I don't really mind, I love reading the responses when people yell at me for suiciding into the enemy team to end the match faster since they won't resign. I ask them to resign and they don't, nothing else I can do about that. If they can't realize when our team setup doesn't stand a chance unless by some miracle we get paired against people in our situation for 5/10 matches I won't be bothered to waste my time.

And to all the people saying go TA, it is just like HA, either you have a group of friends already established and can get points fairly easy or you grind it out point by point. The established groups aren't willing to take new players and the pugs in TA are just as bad as pugs in HA.

therangereminem · May 16, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

ok i hate dishorable so im in ra and pople are sync and im not one of those pople so it start and im theonly one, not in the guild on my team, so all 3 of them report me as leecher, they log out and im back in ra with the hex and there not, im so pissed at this ideal, the feact they can say im leechign when i was only one fighting and i get the hex is bull

strcpy · May 16, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

hahahahaha

Sorry just too funny. Personally, I feel that Dishonorable is doing exactly what it was designed to do. The fact that you're here bitching about it tells me that you must have just encountered it, and not for the first time from the sounds of things. Meaning you either leave a lot or leech a lot, thus I have to pity for you. Cry elsewhere.

I keep hoping that some day, in some place, in the far far future that people will realize that complaining that a feature is doing *exactly* what was intended will not get their complaint actioned on (and that "no, I don't agree" is still listening) but I haven't seen it yet.

Random arena's are intended to be random - that is a team of four monks, a team of four eles, or a balanced team are all equally possible. Further the Dishonorable hex is intended to make sure that the whole team stays together if the majority of the team wants too (note that this has nothing to do if the person wanting to leave thinks it is a waste of time). So complaining that a team of four monks where three want to stay together will give the fourth leaver a dishonorable hex reads to the developers "working as intended".

Complain all you want - if you want a team go to TA. Can't get a team? Well the developers obviously feel that isn't worth screwing those that want random teams. I would suggest you try and find some friends or a guild - they aren't that hard to get into and if you can't I would also suggest that you may very well deserve said hex. There are guilds for causal through hard core TA and above but they generally require decent players - non decent players are relegated to RA only. As little as I bother and as bad as I am I have had guild invites to OK guilds after winning streaks.

Don't like that advice? You aren't going to get the developers to change so you can either have non-fun for the rest of you GW career, go to a different game, or accept it and move on. There are no other choices. Railing away on a message board and reinforcing the design goals will only prolong your non-fun playing.

DreamWind · May 16, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

/signed (time for me to be flamed I love riverside

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So many people are completely missing the point. It makes me a bit sick honestly. I rarely play RA anymore...not because I was a compulsive leaver, but because the system is crap now. I can't stand the "OMG I MIGHT GET BANNED FROM PVP FOR BEING NAUGHTY" and the whole majority appeasement of the entire concept.

First, the "its RANDOM arenas" argument is a load of garbage. If you are going to say that, I can easily say that if somebody leaves your team it is a RANDOM occurence so deal with it. Random means a lot more than people here are implying.

Second, the "go play TA" argument is even more garbage. The entire point of RA is for people who CAN'T get a team together for other forms of PvP at the time. If I had people logged on, I WOULD NOT play TA. I would play GvG. RA is also for people who don't have much time and just want a quick game or two. What happens when you get an RA game with 6 monks or even just 1-2 griefers in it? You have wasted a TON of time that could have been better spent playing real games.

I have other points but they would take ages to type out and there was already a million page thread about this around the time it was implemented.

pumpkin pie · May 16, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

/signed (time for me to be flamed I love riverside

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So many people are completely missing the point. It makes me a bit sick honestly. I rarely play RA anymore...not because I was a compulsive leaver, but because the system is crap now. I can't stand the "OMG I MIGHT GET BANNED FROM PVP FOR BEING NAUGHTY" and the whole majority appeasement of the entire concept.

First, the "its RANDOM arenas" argument is a load of garbage. If you are going to say that, I can easily say that if somebody leaves your team it is a RANDOM occurence so deal with it. Random means a lot more than people here are implying.

Second, the "go play TA" argument is even more garbage. The entire point of RA is for people who CAN'T get a team together for other forms of PvP at the time. If I had people logged on, I WOULD NOT play TA. I would play GvG. RA is also for people who don't have much time and just want a quick game or two. What happens when you get an RA game with 6 monks or even just 1-2 griefers in it? You have wasted a TON of time that could have been better spent playing real games.

I have other points but they would take ages to type out and there was already a million page thread about this around the time it was implemented.

ROFLMAO at your self-centered logic.

However I do agree RA is because it's not time consuming in making up a team to play, but then your logic defeat the purpose of it not being time consuming, if everyone keep leaving and, say rough estimate that 50% of the time someone leaves, don't you think that would be a waste of OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME?

PS: Random Arena - Randomly Made Up Group/Team NOT Randomly getting players who leave the team arena.

DreamWind · May 16, 2008, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

However I do agree RA is because it's not time consuming in making up a team to play, but then your logic defeat the purpose of it not being time consuming, if everyone keep leaving and, say rough estimate that 50% of the time someone leaves, don't you think that would be a waste of OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME?

No...I am saving them time by leaving a game that is going to take ages to end. Maybe it will end faster.

Oh while I'm at it...the idea that /resign somehow works is laughable. It is nearly impossible to get an entire RA team to resign.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

PS: Random Arena - Randomly Made Up Group/Team NOT Randomly getting players who leave the team arena.

You have an official statement on that? Or is that just what you want it to be?

Fril Estelin · May 16, 2008, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I am saving them time by leaving a game that is going to take ages to end.

Where is it said that RA games have to be short? IMHO, the OP needs to stop RA-ing instead of complaining, this discussion is completely pointless as they're going to be no change at all. The vast majority is happy with the current situation.

DreamWind · May 16, 2008, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

This discussion is completely pointless as they're going to be no change at all. The vast majority is happy with the current situation.

I guess if the majority is happy that makes it good for the game. *smacks head* The failure of Guild Wars.

zwei2stein · May 16, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Look at it the other way:

Without dishonorable, wast majority of games were over before countdown finished because out of 8 people in instance someone would eventually ragequit, I remember spending 30 minutes before actual match happened where neither side rage quitted.

Regardless how competent you or rest of team were, there was always someone who decided that, i.e, Mo/W with sword and shield equiped is "lolnub".

Now, it was kinda good that that kind of people removed themselves from my vicinity, and the fact that once you got team that didnt RQ you were nearly guaranteed 10 consecs (because most other teams would be weakened by quiters and give next to no resistance.)

But i rather prefer it now as i actually get to play.

Maybe RA needs disclaimer, something like this:

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I, hereby acknowledge that I am not guaranteed perfect team and I might loose next game, even thou i am Chosen One worthy only of best players fighting alongside me. I master of universe, see that somethings not everything will play together to allow me endless string of glorious victories.

I understand that my team could be composed of people who do such silly things such as:

* Warriors using elementalist skills that cause exhaustion. And not earth ones
* Rangers which do not wield bow.
* Necromancers which are not MMs
* Monks splitting their attribute points to three attributes instead of 12/12 split.
* Dervishes not using avatar of balthazar.
etc... etc...

pumpkin pie · May 16, 2008, 02:06 PM // 14:06

DreamWind, incase you didn't know, there's a timer for RA, the game does not drag on anymore especially if it comprise of what you think is "bad team"

XDeadboltX · May 16, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Was that disclaimer a joke? Some of those 'silly' things are perfectly acceptable.

Dishonourable is fine, the problem I find it NOT ENOUGH people will /report

pumpkin pie · May 16, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

DreamWind, you have some bad luck, i win RA with the most peculiar of team build up, 3 monks and a ranger, 4 warriors, team with leechers .... sometime team with morons who have death wish, I think its because i don't care what team i am in, and just play the game and see what comes of it.

its fun, you should try it.

Rocky Raccoon · May 16, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Lets say you are right. Then I'm going to have to say that "you don't matter in this debate because you are the minority" is a pretty ridiculous opinion.

I would agree with you there. Minority or majority has nothing to do with your right to your own opinions and your right to state them.

Ctb · May 16, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I would agree with you there. Minority or majority has nothing to do with your right to your own opinions and your right to state them.

I didn't say anything about his opinions. The comment that was deleted for, as usual, no reason, stated quite clearly that his opinion was irrelevant because the purpose of the game is to make ANET money. He's in a very tiny minority with his opinion, and tiny minorities aren't profitable when each individual customer pays the same amount. Therefore, his opinion is, for all practical purposes, inconsequential.

He can hold whatever foolhardy opinion he wants, no matter how ridiculous it is. That doesn't mean anybody has to care about it. I'm certainly under no obligation to respect it. He has every right to his opinion, and I respect that right. His opinion, however, is stupid, and I don't respect that.

Also, why in the hell are mods deleting my flamebait comments instead of just locking the whole flamebait thread? It's a stupid whinefest from whiney whiners. There's no legitimate debate on the topic because almost nobody who wasn't the intended target of the hex has a problem with it. Conserve some energy and just close the whole ridiculous thread.

Here, I'll some up the whole thread so it can be closed without losing anything of value:

A small number of people who used to make RA annoying get hexed and don't think it's fair that they now have to play by the intended rules of the match. Pretty much everybody else thinks they're ridiculous and doesn't care because they're too busy enjoying RA and AB while the whiners have to sit out with the hex they earned.

Rocky Raccoon · May 16, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I didn't say anything about his opinions. The comment that was deleted for, as usual, no reason, stated quite clearly that his opinion was irrelevant because the purpose of the game is to make ANET money. He's in a very tiny minority with his opinion, and tiny minorities aren't profitable when each individual customer pays the same amount. Therefore, his opinion is, for all practical purposes, inconsequential.

He can hold whatever foolhardy opinion he wants, no matter how ridiculous it is. That doesn't mean anybody has to care about it. I'm certainly under no obligation to respect it. He has every right to his opinion, and I respect that right. His opinion, however, is stupid, and I don't respect that.

Also, why in the hell are mods deleting my flamebait comments instead of just locking the whole flamebait thread? It's a stupid whinefest from whiney whiners. There's no legitimate debate on the topic because almost nobody who wasn't the intended target of the hex has a problem with it. Conserve some energy and just close the whole ridiculous thread.

Here, I'll some up the whole thread so it can be closed without losing anything of value:

A small number of people who used to make RA annoying get hexed and don't think it's fair that they now have to play by the intended rules of the match. Pretty much everybody else thinks they're ridiculous and doesn't care because they're too busy enjoying RA and AB while the whiners have to sit out with the hex they earned.

I was wondering why I didn't see that comment. I totally disgree with the whining about dishonorable(a very good addition to the game), but I do believe someone has the right to state their opinions credible or not.

Targren · May 16, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Divine Slaya

Give me a break. Who /reports someone for not loading into a rollerbeetle race? There are no teams, it's every man for themselves. Hell, most people would be happy if you didn't load.

Dishonorable was a good idea. I'm not sure if anyone remembers how RA was before the system was implemented, but it was a complete mess. Every team would have a member leave in an attempt to find that perfect team to farm their glad points from.

I dunno, maybe it was a bug then that recorded D/L time as "leaving". All I know is that I tried to load in twice, took a few minutes to download the textures (I hadn't been on in awhile) and then got spit back out, with a Dishonorable hex...

Either that's by design (and stupid) or dishonorable IS broken.

pumpkin pie · May 16, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

you know what, people should just enjoy the game, this reminds me of the ridiculous RA players that you see, both in your own and opposition's team, you should be thankful you sees such funny incident! it doesn't happen everyday! makes you ROFLYAO.

It was 3 days ago in RA, I saw a red dot on the radar, its not moving, I thought its one of those sneaky monk hiding and healing the warrior, i went round to the dot and discovers its a warrior that is using a bow........

Rocky Raccoon · May 16, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

you know what, people should just enjoy the game, this reminds me of the ridiculous RA players that you see, both in your own and opposition's team, you should be thankful you sees such funny incident! it doesn't happen everyday! makes you ROFLYAO.

It was 3 days ago in RA, I saw a red dot on the radar, its not moving, I thought its one of those sneaky monk hiding and healing the warrior, i went round to the dot and discovers its a warrior that is using a bow........

That reminds of a r/mo I saw using a sword & shield, I still laugh whenever I think about it.

RiKio · May 16, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Dishonorable.........

It stopped all the retards ragequitting, which is a good thing, but it brought a problem: You must play with your team til you die, even if your team is noob. And RA is full of noobs ( not newbies)

Well, at least you can test your RA builds with security.........or no?

Rocky Raccoon · May 16, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by RiKio

Dishonorable.........

It stopped all the retards ragequitting, which is a good thing, but it brought a problem: You must play with your team til you die, even if your team is noob. And RA is full of noobs ( not newbies)

Well, at least you can test your RA builds with security.........or no?

Noobs need love too.