Curse

Burst Cancel · May 22, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

"The ultimate consequence of protecting men from the results of their own folly is to fill the world with fools." - Herbert Spencer

Tolerance of idiocy and incompetence only breeds more of it. There's no reason to be rude, but there's also no reason to put up with people that are clearly messing things up for you. The fact that GW is a game cuts both ways. You can argue that because it's just for fun, people shouldn't take it too seriously. I argue that if playing with someone is not fun, you shouldn't be playing with them.

Don't even start on 'elitism'.

toastgodsupreme · May 22, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Good sportsmanship has ruined any game that it's touched.

If I beat my opponent, I have every right to brag.

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

DSN · May 22, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

Good sportsmanship has ruined any game that it's touched.

If I beat my opponent, I have every right to brag.

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

wow, that infuriated me so much that I had to make an account just to respond.
My first reaction was: What?!? and then again: What?!?
How on earth can you argue that sportsmanship, good manners, and courtesy are a bad thing? I can't name one circumstance when being nice to someone was a worse option than being a jerk, where you earn more by making people hate you than being a good person.
and insulting as motivation? that's just plain horrible, how about wanting to win to get the nice respectful good job of your companions? B/c, I don't want to play a game w/ people who would insult me, regardless of skill level

I Can Cure Cancer · May 22, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

"The ultimate consequence of protecting men from the results of their own folly is to fill the world with fools." - Herbert Spencer

Tolerance of idiocy and incompetence only breeds more of it.

Don't even start on 'elitism'.

I don't think anyone tolerates idiocy we just choose to ignore it because if we did try to fix noobs it would take till GW15 before we'd finish.

Yuhe Ji · May 22, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

There will always be players that will act like jerks to everyone. There is little you can do about them, but sometimes I just really want to know what they are thinking in their minds.

Abedeus · May 22, 2008, 06:44 AM // 06:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

Good sportsmanship has ruined any game that it's touched.

If I beat my opponent, I have every right to brag.

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

So... you like bad sportmanship? You like that when you loose, someone will run up to you, shout in your face ,,IN YOUR FACE, YOU STUPID F**!'' and kick you in the groin? Wow. I would rather have super-nice idiots that say ,,gg'' after loosing 500:20 than such morons that ruin the fun for everyone.

;[

Angelic Upstart · May 22, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

Good sportsmanship has ruined any game that it's touched.

If I beat my opponent, I have every right to brag.

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

Bad attitude, whats wrong with saying gg for a fight well fought.?

Grow up.

Fril Estelin · May 22, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

Then you shouldn't be surprised that most people will try to show what a looser you are on this thread. If you need something to become better, that's your problem, not ours. Most people want sportmanship because they prefer a positive attitude, rather than a childish reaction. So grow up a sense of satisfaction and some sportmanship and see you on the other side of the fence!

*lemming* · May 22, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

It's possible to have a positive attitude in competitive activities. What's bad is the handholding and carebearism that pveers seem to expect.

Red Sand · May 22, 2008, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

Good sportsmanship has ruined any game that it's touched.

If I beat my opponent, I have every right to brag.

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

I have no sympathy for losers. And I expect no sympathy when I lose.

After wearing Lee's forces down and defeating the Confederate Army, Grant, called a "butcher" by Southerners and Northerners alike, accepted Lee's surrender like a gentleman, and allowed Lee's forces to retain their sidearms and horses instead of taking them as spoils of war. He treated his adversary with honor.

You can win and not be an ass about it.

Angelic Upstart · May 22, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

It's possible to have a positive attitude in competitive activities. What's bad is the handholding and carebearism that pveers seem to expect.

LOL this is an internet game and words seldom do much damage, try playing a contact sport and see who holds your hand then in the middle of a game.... no bugger does.

If you think PvErs need a comfort blanket to play this game you are
deluded.

~ Dan ~ · May 22, 2008, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Can Cure Cancer

I don't think anyone tolerates idiocy we just choose to ignore it because if we did try to fix noobs it would take till GW15 before we'd finish.

Ignoring is tolerating, as you're not doing anything to fix the problem.

Targren · May 22, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

It's possible to have a positive attitude in competitive activities. What's bad is the handholding and carebearism that pveers seem to expect.

There's a difference between "handholding" and being helpful.

Example: My first time in RA, I made a monk because people always complain when they don't get a monk, so I thought I might actually be some help. I did fairly well, I think, for a first timer. We went 4 or 5 rounds before a good cripshotter/AoE team took us down hard. I did make one big newbie mistake mistake, though: I had Resurrect on my bar.

One of my teammates gave me the oh-so-incredibly-helpful "OMG LOL Rez on a Monk GG N00B"

Another one explained that if I'm rezzing, I'm not protting or healing, and that was bad. Also introduced me to rebirth+energy hiding, and a few other tips on my bar (but he did not build my bar for me). He was a lot of help.

If I could remember his name, I'd put it here, because he deserves the props for not being a snotrag.

around · May 22, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

People help those who help themselves. That includes doing any needed work beforehand, not in the middle of a match.

Darksun · May 22, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Stop sucking and people won't yel...

It's a game, like you said, so it's supposed to be fun. It isn't fun when U spend XX hours preparing for PvP/Elite Area and then 1 guy goes AFK/RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs up and your team whipes...

afk is not a bad player. it's leeching. the person knows exactly what they are doing.

generally I find that the people who tell others what skills to bring and how to play are the most likely to fail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

It gives both sides more reason to do better. Who wants to be insulted for losing? No one. So work harder to win.

that's the ticket! More fun through fear,anger & self worth through comparison! oh wait...

Molock · May 22, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Darksun

afk is not a bad player. it's leeching. the person knows exactly what they are doing.

generally I find that the people who tell others what skills to bring and how to play are the most likely to fail.

Yeah, people who advertise like this "GLF 1 more ele (build provided)". Happened to me once, the build they gave me wasn't exactly up to date (it was an echo chain nuker), I let him know my MB build was better. Either way, he insisted that I was a "n00b" and I left. Honestly in a random pug you have no right to tell other people what to bring, you may suggest changes and maybe ask them to change to a different style but pinging a build and saying "use this" is silly.

Edge Martinez · May 23, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Targren

There's a difference between "handholding" and being helpful.

Example: My first time in RA, I made a monk because people always complain when they don't get a monk, so I thought I might actually be some help. I did fairly well, I think, for a first timer. We went 4 or 5 rounds before a good cripshotter/AoE team took us down hard. I did make one big newbie mistake mistake, though: I had Resurrect on my bar.

One of my teammates gave me the oh-so-incredibly-helpful "OMG LOL Rez on a Monk GG N00B"

That guy was just a douche. Whenever I see someone using a hard res, I'll typically pm them when I get a chance and ask what their strategy was. If it turns out they just started RAing, I'll explain the benefits of res sig to them. If it turns out they had a plan, I gain some new insight.

C2K · May 23, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart

If you think PvErs need a comfort blanket to play this game you are
deluded.

At times, it sure seems like they do. However, I am aware thats not the case with all PvErs.

Glib · May 23, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I was running a E/Mo wards build in RA as a support build (just for kicks and giggles), not a spike build by any means. I threw in Obsidian Flesh since I was more team defense and squishy."OMG! Obby Flesh Go back to PvE, Noob!" I was the last one standing and had mentioned the wards as cover, I figured the issue was the melee folks kept getting kited away from them. I would cast, the other team would kite, my team followed and died.

The next round, I had a similar team (one less assassin) that made full use of the wards and went for 8 rounds before falling to a three monk team. So, am I a bad player, or was my first team blind to the potential of damage reduction? Should I only run airspike or shatterstone builds because everyone else does? Personally, i use RA to test ideas that I might use later in PvE. The challenge of real players instead on mobs makes me rethink things and my role in a group...keeps the mind frsh. I even built a lighting toucher outta my ranger just to see if it would work!

I would consider myself a player of modest knowlegde from my 3 yrs exp. I never pretend to know everything. If I lose, i lose and if I win, I win and it's always gg either way. Thing is, I don't really care about PvP in an obsessive ragequit kind of way. I do it for f-u-n!

If Im TA, I consult my team, make adjustments as reccommended by more seasoned players if they seem reasonable...same for GvG. In AB, I run whatever I feel like as it's all run-n-gun, no one really seems to notice. "Ping builds" before we leave and I'm usually running a pet tank, sometimes a trapper, sometimes just some random thing I threw together that has, say, Weaken Armor + Body Shot jsut to see how it helps with energy management...no one EVER says anything about the skills I ping so why do they even ask?

It's all very silly how irked ppl gets from a game. just play have fun and say "gg" win or lose. Let other folks get all pissy.

Coran D'Nevar · May 23, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

I would like to think their are plenty of good players out there, with a few that ruin the game for everyone else. I personally go out of my way sometimes to help people that are new to certain situations.

In the past few months I have taken a strong liking to the PvE Elite Mission - Domain of Anqusih. In my many hours of gameplay spent doing this mission, I have definately come across many people. Including those that are offensive, and believe that they have the right to.

IN DoA, it is usually easy to tell when someone is new to the area, especially when they take quests without realizing their consequences, or taking pathes which lead to an high level of pops. From here, there are two things that can happen. One, you can proceed to whispering that player, or talking to them in teamchat, and giving them a step by step guide to what they should and should not do, and why not. Many players will take the help with open arms, and in turn, will play better. Unfortunately, most players (Or the one bad apple) will always try the second approach. Being offensive. Whcih generally, produces negative results.

Why people turn to this route, I do not know. I do wish they would not, as it makes the game experience as a whole less desirable. Also, to all those people who say that nothing can be done, and ignore/leave it be. Shame on you. As a good player you should know their are many things you can do. If a player insults you, or anyone else in your party, in any or abusive fashion, warn them, then report them.

Many people get the feeling that its a game, they can't be punished, so they can be as rude as they want. However, if they are rude or offensive to you, whisper them. Tell them that if they continue that you will have to report them for verbal abuse. In many cases, the warning will force them into submission, because suddenly, their is a consequence. This consequence is also very realy.