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Abedeus · May 26, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by WARPATh

GW is still de king.

You got like 98560958650968 things to do.

The only things that are dead and you cannot do without guildies is

Sorrow's Furnace
Deep
Urgoz
Jade Quarry
Fort aspenwood

those places are empty

And except for grinding titles/gold, there is how much after main plot? Oh, right, grinding in elite areas that are no longer elite.

Red Sand · May 26, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Exactly. I'd sure as hell not pay to play for Guild Wars. The only reason it's even a slight competition to others is because of the lack of monthly fee.

That and the community in GW is laughable compared to other games, too.

When your "competitor" has 10 million subscribers compared to your 4 million copies sold, it's not really competition. WoW doesn't have real competition. My friends who switched to WoW after EverQuest, most don't like GW. I think it's because GW is a different kind of game from EQ and WoW. WoW is an easy form of EQ in my opinion.

The folks that play GW that don't want to pay a subscription, I can understand where they are coming from. Before I quit, I had two accounts in EQ, maxed chars on both, and paid 30 bucks a month. Sometimes I played in windowed mode so I could have two toons online at once, because not all classes can solo in EQ. I paid 50 cents a day just to have a cleric (healer) available to buff me before I went out to fight, and give me a free rez when I died. Dying sucked in EQ. A fast/free rez was worth real money to me.

The community in GW and other games is the same as here, good and bad. You have serious players who help people, and you have serious players who flame people, you have not so serious players doing both. There might be more young people playing GW cause it's F2P, but mommy and daddy pay for junior to play AoC and WoW too, can't get away from them there. And you don't have to be young to want F2P.

I invested hundreds of dollars into Everquest and what do I have to show for it now? Absolutely nothing. You can't put your epic weapon up on the wall in your house. You can't put your 15k armor on a rack in your den. At least F2P players aren't throwing money down the drain; they're just wasting time, not money.

The WoW/LoTRO/EQ/AoC/CoH message boards are full of idiots thinking that they know everything about the game, and only their opinion matters. They can be found on all the boards, or spamming the various channels on their respective games.

Just like here.

So it's pretty simple: you get what you want from what you play.

I like GW. It's just what I need. A place to kill time and have a little fun doing it.

Avarre · May 26, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

It's 10 millions vs, hell, even 1 million, although I honestly don't believe so many people exist. Still, if something has sold 10 times more than the other company, it DOES mean something is better. If it was 10 millions vs 5-7 millions, I would agree it doesn't mean something is better. If 10 millions vs 10 millions, then they are even.

Quality and appeal are two very different things.

Darkobra · May 26, 2008, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by Red Sand

The WoW/LoTRO/EQ/AoC/CoH message boards are full of idiots thinking that they know everything about the game, and only their opinion matters. They can be found on all the boards, or spamming the various channels on their respective games..

That one is definitely true. I was exploring a mage forum for WoW. I'm an excellent PvE mage so far and I can win in duels easily. But duels are hardly organised battlegrounds, so I wanted to know if my fire is passable or if ice is expected.

Well, I went on the first thread I saw and saw this elitist who said "Everything is overpowered! They can heal all my damage in one spell and kill me in one hit!" So when given advice on how to better himself, he laughed at their arena ratings for being lower than theirs. Even if they played better than he did. (Hell, I've never set foot in the arena and even I play better than he does.)

However, as for the in game community on Guild Wars, it's been quite rare for me to see anything short of spammers. With Guild Wars being purely instances and able to be soloed for the most part, the helpful, friendly players are normally out doing their own thing. They're rarely seen in outposts and are usually drowned out by the mass idiots.

In a persistant world, you'll still get the same idiots, but you'll also see the helpful ones in the mix as the chat has a wider range and it's easier to come across people. It's the persistant world that I'll be looking forward to in Guild Wars 2 for that reason. That, and I like to explore vast worlds rather than small segments of one.

DreamRunner · May 26, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Gears of War is an FPS. Point-and-shoot. There's tactical and strategic elements, and each level has some form of a quest/mission/story structure.

Gears of War is third person shooter. It has a third person perspective, not a first person perspective. Have you played it?

Sora267 · May 26, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Gears of War is third person shooter. It has a third person perspective, not a first person perspective. Have you played it?

^Ownage. 12 characters.

ScoobyDooby Dooo · May 26, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

I've liked Guild wars for two years now well little less because i quit like a year ago and qwent to battlefield 2. Gw Rocks the Socks off WoW but im gonna get into some more battlefield 2 since gw isnt entertaining as it used to be.

Yoom Omer · May 26, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

You can't compare GW to WoW. GW = CMORPG and WoW is a MMORPG.

Some ppl like to grind. they'll find more stuff to grind for in WoW.
Some ppl like a game which is more skill-based. That's GW.

Im Unbreakable · May 26, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

RuneScape was my very first online rpg. after wasteing around 1 year and half on RS a friend got me into guild wars. never looked back

i tried WOW had a 14 day trial key thing? but thats just not for me. monthly fees are pretty lame especially when it look like your playing a badly drawn cartoon. =D

Skyy High · May 26, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

It's 10 millions vs, hell, even 1 million, although I honestly don't believe so many people exist. Still, if something has sold 10 times more than the other company, it DOES mean something is better. If it was 10 millions vs 5-7 millions, I would agree it doesn't mean something is better. If 10 millions vs 10 millions, then they are even.

Or maybe you say that Stephen Hawking is as smart as Paris Hilton, because their IQ doesn't matter? You are either insulting Hawking or praising Hilton ;d

And you're unduly praising teenie-bopper pop "artists." The numbers we're talking about are number of units sold, not comparisons of the IQs of different people. The only reason you keep going to the (completely unrelated) subject of IQ is because it's self-evident from just looking at what music, movies, and literature are popular today that you are flat out WRONG to assume that popularity = quality.

Or do you think Clancy and King are greater writers than Chekov, Tolstoy, Poe, Twain, Hemingway, Conrad, etc? The first two have sold far more than any of the others.

Longasc · May 26, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Or do you think Clancy and King are greater writers than Chekov, Tolstoy, Poe, Twain, Hemingway, Conrad, etc? The first two have sold far more than any of the others.

Interesting and very cool comparison.

I think WoW is probably the most well done of all EverQuest-derivates... but it is not for me. I already got bored of EQ, and my personal favorite MMORPG, Ultima Online, is still waiting for a worthy successor.

I see the great danger that GW2 will become some sort of WoW for people who do not like paying fees, abandoning many ideas that made GW ideal for players that do not want to grind that much or invest too much time into a game just to stay "competitive". This is/was at least true for the PvE part, do not think it really works out in higher level PvP.

A word of warning to all of you: Do not go to the cinema or a bar 1-2 hours after your three WoW-playing friends had a major raid, e.g. Black Temple/Illidan... you will regret it!

Spike · May 26, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Oh excuse me I was over by a mere 1 million...here's the link igmo

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135017/article.html

Over 9 MILLION SUBSCIBERS and that was last July so with the numbers still climbing and WOW still in the top 10 of the sales chart I'm pretty sure they are closing in on 10 MILLION.

This doesn't even count the 26 million sales in CHINA, but, I guess you never read or lookup things to know stuff like that.

If you belive blizzard press releases then I have some nice land and a bridge to sell you. I have posted proof on here before that shows wow has about half the claimed paid for accounts at the VERY most. I guess you have never looked at thier yearly accounts and can't to simple maths either.

Wow is one of the worst games I've ever EVER played and I've played 000's of them.

RedNova88 · May 26, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Spike

If you belive blizzard press releases then I have some nice land and a bridge to sell you. I have posted proof on here before that shows wow has about half the claimed paid for accounts at the VERY most. I guess you have never looked at thier yearly accounts and can't to simple maths either.

Wow is one of the worst games I've ever EVER played and I've played 000's of them.

And of course it doesn't help that a lot of those accounts are probably gold farmers. Of course this is no big surprise since a portion of every MMOs accounts belong to money farmers/sellers.

And seriously, I cannot for the life of me understand why this thread is still going. So what if WoW had all those accounts, anyone can tell you popularity=/=quality of the game. The game is simple to play, and it had a huge following from the already popular Warcraft. Better=opinion, and anyone that claims it as a fact is as stupid as they come. Keep in mind I'm just talking about video games, not EVERYTHING.

Anet is still forging itself. For example look at the Halo series, I love all 3 of them. But just imagine if Halo 3 had been released on it's own, without having the two before it, it would NOT have sold as many copies due to lack of popularity, and the lack of people knowing Bungie's name. See my point? If the name is already popular than people will flock to it just because it says Blizzard on the box.

kagenuma · May 28, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Im a newbie in mmo so from boredom i tried other "no monthly fee" games like Shaiya,Cabal n Requiem(im a student refuse to pay money for game every month) but also Lineage,wow n coming on conan.

Gameplay: All of em r about leveling,not much thinking about skills -quests goes like kill 5 of these 10 of those n bring this to merchant he will tell u what else to kill - if u wont find a party(which wont PK u with smile) its kinda hard to play alone unless u level level level all the time which is the point of game so u enjoy playing from lv30+. Ill say GW with its story is far more enjoyable n quests goes more original.Take hench n try mission yourself or try with ppl. your free choice, not pushed to do either way. The prob of GW is that after some time there is not much to do BUT leaves the nice memories of good play which is better for me then playing twice longer but so pissed from all the leveling which takes 80% of game play. Yes u dont need to play months to be high level n enjoy game which is the best n worse part in same time (ppl say its too easy game then but hey we still had fun)

Graphic:
even when i take MONTHLY PAIED games like new super Age of conan,Lineage or Wow.......the graphic is a joke n so undone like the game is only few weeks out. GW is smooth n u must admit really well done.

Controls:
i..just...cant...play..LINEAGE with its stupid character movement or actualy most of other online games i tried. GW is just about walking, no jumping ect so seems kinda poor n boring but in other hand if i want some moves ill go play tekken.AT LEAST i can walk clearly in guild wars.

So even when i dont have much to do in GW anymore, im so looking forward on GW2. To talk with a friends,kill something when bored i wont pay monthly.Ill go to old good GW which is about fun n used to be about skills n tactic. keep up anet

ps n if ill need to pay for GW2 monthly? I wont wait even a sec n do so!

pfaile · May 28, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Personnaly, I am taking a break and trying out WoW now. I found myself doing the same things over and over. With only 4 destroyer weapons and 7 titles left to fill up my HoM, I was getting really bored. I will be back, looking forward to GW2 very much, just wish they would share ANYTHING with us.

Bryant Again · May 28, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

It's hard to compare Guild Wars to other games. The only games I've been able to compare it to in terms of gameplay have been Diablo and Baldur's Gate.

It is indeed a very unique and fun game, despite it going down roads many here wouldn't agree with.

Edit: Oh wow, I didn't see the semantics war going on here. I may get in on this action : P

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Exactly my point. What do you suppose towns/outposts are? They are glorified chat rooms with animated avatars. Once you're actually playing GW, you're not going to see more than 7 others (aside from PvP and of course Urgoz/Deep where you can party with a whole 4 more people!). Thanks for clarifying that. - It isn't massive -

Holy shit GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!

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Originally Posted by Spike

If you belive blizzard press releases then I have some nice land and a bridge to sell you. I have posted proof on here before that shows wow has about half the claimed paid for accounts at the VERY most. I guess you have never looked at thier yearly accounts and can't to simple maths either.

I actually asked for that proof several times. I've yet to receive any.

@Abdeus: NWN1 single-player campaign is hack-and-slash??? What?

Abedeus · May 28, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

@Abdeus: NWN1 single-player campaign is hack-and-slash??? What?

Oh please. Did you remember Undeads from Act 1? A bunch of WTFINYOURFACE undeads that are impossible to kill without AoE. Or that every game ends with a fight with stupid overpowered boss. Only in Hordes of the Underworld you can force the boss to kill himself, but if you want to fight him...

And a Rogue fails in every of these games. Because, like you have to knockdown a foe (a lot of them immune) to deal sneak attacks.

Oh, and every quasi-mission (collecting items, all of the Hordes) is killing hundreds of enemies.

Btw, I've finally found a good replacement for (a bit old, but..) Diablo 2. Hellgate: London. Except for FPS drops when 20-30 monsters are attacking you in first person, everything is great - fun to kill monsters, balanced classes and loot to collect. Actually, it COULD be called Diablo 2: The Future, or just Diablo 3(D). Too bad in my country official distributor wants over $55 for it -.- Thanks god unofficial ones are normal.

Bryant Again · May 28, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Oh please. Did you remember Undeads from Act 1? A bunch of WTFINYOURFACE undeads that are impossible to kill without AoE. Or that every game ends with a fight with stupid overpowered boss. Only in Hordes of the Underworld you can force the boss to kill himself, but if you want to fight him...

Undeads were impossible to kill without AoE? I just went in as a Fighter with the bard/fighter lady on my first play through on the "Hardcore rules" setting, didn't have much of a problem. But that's besides the point. The story was the main meat of NWN1, as is every DnD game. In that area, Neverwinter Nights does damn good.

[QUOTE=Abedeus]And a Rogue fails in every of these games. Because, like you have to knockdown a foe (a lot of them immune) to deal sneak attacks.

I was able to play just fine as a Rogue/Assassin on a 2nd playthrough...It was a hard transition, sure, but that's because I was used to the baddies focusing on me.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Oh, and every quasi-mission (collecting items, all of the Hordes) is killing hundreds of enemies.

It depends on how it's implemented. In NWN1, everything is written wonderfully. Characters are cool, environments are interesting, and the story is decently engaging. If you don't get involved into the story and characters, then yes I can understand it feeling a bit boring, save for the "hitting things" part. While I do consider the storyline itself a bit weak compared to the expansions and other releases, I still found it enjoyable.

Side note: Did you know that in Oblivion nearly all quests are "go here, kill X" or "go here, talk to Y" quests, yet no one complains about them?

Kassad · May 28, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

I have an open mind, I've played alot of MMO's.

I played the GW Beta in early 2005, I couldn't wait for the release.

I played the WoW trial about 3 months ago, I couldnt bare anymore after 15 minutes.

I didn't find WoW to be newbie friendly, one of the worst interfaces I've seen in a MMO. The game looks like ass too.

If GW or GW2 had a monthly fee, i'd still play the game.

Zahr Dalsk · May 28, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Yoom Omer

You can't compare GW to WoW. GW = CMORPG and WoW is a MMORPG.

Some ppl like to grind. they'll find stuff to grind for in WoW.
Some ppl like to grind. they'll find stuff to grind for in GW too.

Fixed. Also, "ppl" is not a word except to the mentally challenged.