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bhavv · Jun 16, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

I personally cannot see GW2 being an epic failure. I can see it:

More levels? WoW Clone?

If you didnt like WoW, chances are you wont like GW2 either.

Uber Mass · Jun 16, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by bhavv

More levels? WoW Clone?

If you didnt like WoW, chances are you wont like GW2 either.

more levels like WoW doesnt mean its a WoW clone.. Lots of MMO's have a higher level cap then guildwars does that make them WoW clones then? i dont think so

Lothlorian Sassun · Jun 16, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

They Sky is Falling!! The Sky is Falling!! OH NO!!! HELP US DEAR LORD!

GW is fine. Lots of players still playing. New people start playing the game all the time. The old farts might be getting bored of it. The game has been out for over 3 years now after all. I personally am working on my Hall of Monuments so I can be disappointed when GW2 comes out and the crap items I may or may not receive for maxing 25 titles and filling my hall

But it has been fun.. I still play every day to chat with guildies and do a few quests or missions with friends. I am currently helping to crash the Ecto market with my Perma Sin. We as players really have no control over content or what ANET decides to do so it makes little since to QQ about it.

AscalonWarrior · Jun 16, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by bhavv

That gives it a much higher chance of dying.

With no fees, they have no money coming in, so need to rely on selling more copies in order to maintain their servers.

Unfortunately, if they mess up again with GW2, they arent going to have much of a future for GW.

What did they mess up with at the first place? Made a succesful game with millions of sold copies.

On-Topic:
Let's just wait some time until GW2 beta comes out and re-make this thread after trying the beta.

Kumu Honua · Jun 16, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by bhavv

That gives it a much higher chance of dying.

With no fees, they have no money coming in, so need to rely on selling more copies in order to maintain their servers.

Unfortunately, if they mess up again with GW2, they arent going to have much of a future for GW.

I'm pretty sure that the company can siphon off income from monthly fees from City of Heroes, Tabula Rasa, Lineage and Aion (When released) as well as income from sales of GW2 to keep GW1 alive for quite some time.

Heck, Everquest 1 is still going strong and it's ANCIENT.

X Tigercat X · Jun 16, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

most pvers are going to buy gw2 anyway because why waste all that time you spent title hunting and not get the rewards

most people are going to buy gw2 even if its good or not

this thread is stupid please delete

HawkofStorms · Jun 17, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

NC.soft released its 1st quarter profit reports for this year over a month ago.

GW is making the most money of all NC.Soft's games, including City of Heroes, which has a monthly fee.

GW is making a LOT of money. It's not Halo or WoW money... but they are doing pretty well, better then 99% of the bargain bin games in the video game community that fail to turn a profit. GW won't die. Try doing your research next time instead of speculating and trying to spread panic.

Darksun · Jun 17, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by bhavv

More levels? WoW Clone?

If you didnt like WoW, chances are you wont like GW2 either.

This is the worst, least substantiated statement in this thread. Guild Wars would have to do SO MUCH to turn into WoW it's not even funny.. Stop pretending "no levels" = WoW.. geez..

Edge Martinez · Jun 17, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by super strokey

I thought about conan but i think aion or stargate will get my buck.

Stargate for sure. But in the meantime, there's nothing wrong with GW1. I'm done with PvE though. Unless they add Grenth and Dwayna areas to ToA. There is no doomsday.

pamelf · Jun 17, 2008, 05:41 AM // 05:41

GW2 will bring a whole NEW community of players into the fold. I never played the original diablo, but I did play Diablo II for instance.

While a huge number of GW2 players will be rollovers from GW1 an equally large number will be people who found nothing to interest them in the original Gw, but do in it's second chapter.

Not to mention, just because people stop playing Guild Wars before the release of GW2 does not mean they won't buy GW2. There was a huge amount of time that passed between the release of Warcraft II and III for instance. People just played something else until it came out. People have been waiting three years for EA's Spore and are still willing to buy it. Hell, Aion has been advertised for as long as GW has been out, which is over 3 years...

Just because interest will wane in GW1 (and it will in time, it is inevitable) does not mean doom for an unreleased GW2.

Age · Jun 17, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

I think thats a little too far away, i wouldnt doubt it would come out in 2009.

2010 even fewer will care anymore if they dont decide to make more content for 1

I wouldn't say so if they want to do a good jop on it.This is why I am going to hold off on buying it and just continue to play GW 1 and few other games.

Xx_Sorin_xX · Jun 17, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

deja vu

12 char

Mark Nevermiss · Jun 17, 2008, 06:05 AM // 06:05

I think the OP made a legitimate forecast; yet from the responses its obvious there are still many die hard guild wars fans who can see no wrong in their game and will not accept any finger pointing.
From my own experience with other online games I played before; GW will still be played by a small community who are happy within familiar surroundings, much like Lineage 1 is still played despite being outdated and all. A-Net will probably still support this game so long as its feasible to maintain servers and support staff.
There are differences, however, between say a game such as old Lineage 1 and GW1:
- NCSoft continues to release new content for their old game because they still have a sizable community in Korea.
- NCSoft is a big company that has several titles to live off and therefore can afford a mishap here or there, unlike A-Net, who will be probably be cut loose if they should screw up with GW2.

A-Net is definitely counting on the GW1 player base to be the backbone of the future GW2 community, but thats a gamble with high stakes. We don't know what other titles will be competing at the release date of GW2.

All this is definitely conjecture and time will show, its their jobs and money/time investment. I for one wish them good luck, but whether or not I will playing GW2 or indeed any other online games in 2 years is tooooooooo early to say.

FoxBat · Jun 17, 2008, 06:12 AM // 06:12

GW will have 1-2 years of no expansions to get nice and stagnant, with characters that might take forever to title up, but just a week's investment to get very functional. On top of that your useless "look at me" titles can be shown off in GW2 as well. The situation is quite different from your average MMO sequel, where the devs have done everything to keep the original alive up till the sequel is relased, (bad idea IMO) and then ask you to dump one supergrind investment for starting over.

The only significant community that might hang around is the PvP one, and that's just because GW1 still has no competition. If GW2 were to let down as big as say Quake4 did, people will just stick with the original. This is however an insignificant market next to the "no monthly fee" PvE only masses, who need new content.

I don't expect it to have a big impact on sales, but the latest directions (PvP/E split, propogation of rediculous ursan/ether renewal/shadow form, bad pvp balance, etc.) do feel like heading off the deep end, and don't give me any reason to trust developer judgement in GW2.

4thVariety · Jun 17, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

What exactly is forcing you to only play one game?
What is death supposed to mean? The original plan was to sell retail packages and Arenanet did that. It's not like they require subscription money to stay alive. So why should there be a problem when people decide that playing GW for 500h is enough. I want to see the people who play GTA4 or MGS4 for 500h. Games are not eternal, most are gone after eight weeks, some survive for two years. Teenager might fool themselves into thinking that this game is the shjt and forever, but that's an illusion, at least it was until EA and Nintendo turned it into a business model / recycling plan. BFF is a lie!

NickelPlate · Jun 17, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

NC.soft released its 1st quarter profit reports for this year over a month ago.

GW is making the most money of all NC.Soft's games, including City of Heroes, which has a monthly fee.

GW is making a LOT of money. It's not Halo or WoW money... but they are doing pretty well, better then 99% of the bargain bin games in the video game community that fail to turn a profit. GW won't die. Try doing your research next time instead of speculating and trying to spread panic.

Agreed. I read that too. What I find funny around here though are all the people that seem to be intimately familiar with Anet's financial situation. Usually the pessimists/haters coming out with comments like "They don't have any money or resources", blah blah. Maybe they have a friend who's brother's Dad's Uncle knows a guy who works for Anet and has access to the books, "rolleyes".

Anet are not moving along without some sort of business plan. If GW wasn't profitable, it would've likely shutdown along time ago and they wouldn't be making a GW2.

ilipol · Jun 17, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

It doesn't matter if 1 year or 5 have passed between GW 1 and 2, if someone enjoyed GW and learns GW2 is out, I'm sure if he/she's still into games will give it a look.
And If GW2 is a good game people will buy it. If it isn't they won't.

It's the same with all games...

JR · Jun 17, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

I'm pretty sure that the company can siphon off income from monthly fees from City of Heroes, Tabula Rasa, Lineage and Aion (When released) as well as income from sales of GW2 to keep GW1 alive for quite some time.

Heck, Everquest 1 is still going strong and it's ANCIENT.

All of those games are NCSoft, not ArenaNet. Whilst NCSoft do help fund ArenaNet I'm sure there is a limit.

City of Heroes is doing ok, probably just over breaking even. Tabula Rasa was a flop that cost NCSoft millions. Lineage II still has a decent player base in Korea, and has been NCSofts financial backbone for a while, but it is dying off faster and faster as new MMOs release. Aion has a decent shot, but if it ends up being a failure I think NCSoft might be in trouble. Not huge trouble, they are too big for that, but enough to shake things up a bit and maybe enough for them to push ArenaNet to release GW2 early to bring in some revenue.

As for the OP, you have done nothing but say 'If Guild Wars 2 fails ArenaNet will be in trouble', which seems fairly obvious. You also propose the rather counter-productive solution of them taking people OFF GW2 and putting them back onto Guild Wars.

ArenaNet will be fine. Guild Wars is doing well enough to keep them floating happily untill GW2 releases, and I see very little chance of GW2 being a flop. It may not be a true sequel, a game that fans of the original will like, but it will almost certainly be good. I have enough faith in them as a developer to say that.

pumpkin pie · Jun 17, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

you make it sound like its a life and death situation,

this is how it will goes for me:
buy guild wars 2 when it comes out, play to see how I like it, if its really really disappointing then who cares, i probably give it away to some friends

But I really really doubt it will be bad. Keep fingers and toes all crossed

Bryant Again · Jun 17, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Which games have followed this pattern?

Hellgate: London, for one. Not much other "good" ones come to mind. I'm simply saying that labelling it as "free to play" doesn't have the edge it used to. But given how great GW1's presentation was I'm sure it's still going to sell very well. It also doesn't hurt that all of GW1's campaigns all got very decent scores, so now ANet has a nice catalog of goodness.