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Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I assume this is what you were referring to. Could it be that some things are in game because people asked for such things? Then once they are implemented and don't work as they wanted them to, they now complain that they should be removed. Where is there any proof that ANET doesn't listen? To listen doesn't mean to do every little thing requested.

If they're listening, then they're listening to the wrong people. How do I know they're "wrong"? Well, I'm pretty sure that adding anything that goes against the principle success of your game and turns it into more as a "grind-tasty MMO" is generally a bad thing. Not to mention that they added two additional classes that were so woefully unbalanced that they both needed to be nearly entirely changed in order to be any strain closer to "balanced".

And I don't want them to do "every little thing". I just want them to be at least a bit more careful about what they do.

Lopezus · Jun 12, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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"'Fun' (for the PvE crowd) at the cost of another population's (PvP) expense". Not the most well thought-out idea, is it?

you can think what you want but why not to consider the thought that since the succes of PvE Gw Anet has impossible task giving and keeping fun for everyone, and giving months of thoughts would not present perfect and possible to implement solution.

Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Lopezus

you can think what you want but why not to consider the thought that since the succes of PvE Gw Anet has impossible task giving and keeping fun for everyone, and giving months of thoughts would not present perfect and possible to implement solution.

I'd agree with you if I did not think it possible for ANet to appease the PvE crowd without adding new classes. See GW:EN? No new classes (save for Ursan, lulz I'm terrible!), just new content.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 12, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

I'm curious. Just who is jumping on the bandwagon here? Because I see most everyone here who is in agreement with the OP are regulars who have had this same view for a long time, at least, for as long as I've lurked on this forum.

I dont understand why you're so "upset" at others being "upset" enough to have a civilized discussion of the state of the game.

And uh yeah, doesnt "SOME PLAYERS" mean the same thing as a "portion" of the players? I dont understand your nitpicking here.

I am far from upset, how can you tell that from a typed word? It's just that I know because I post on Guru doesn't make me any better than the whole of GW players. Do you really think being a Guru regular makes someone special? It just means that they have access to a computer, internet and know how to use a keyboard and have an opinion. Just because some of the Guru regulars espouse a position doesn't mean I have to be in awe of what they are saying. Everyone has a right to their opinions and we all have the right to agree or disagree. I know as a Guru poster I am in a small minority of GW players and what I have to say has little importance to most of them.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

If they're listening, then they're listening to the wrong people. How do I know they're "wrong"? Well, I'm pretty sure that adding anything that goes against the principle success of your game and turns it into more as a "grind-tasty MMO" is generally a bad thing. Not to mention that they added two additional classes that were so woefully unbalanced that they both needed to be nearly entirely changed in order to be any strain closer to "balanced".

And I don't want them to do "every little thing". I just want them to be at least a bit more careful about what they do.

One question. If people don't want grinding why are so many people continually earning max titles? By the way I only have 1.

Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I am far from upset, how can you tell that from a typed word? It's just that I know because I post on Guru doesn't make me any better than the whole of GW players. Do you really think being a Guru regular makes someone special? It just means that they have access to a computer, internet and know how to use a keyboard and have an opinion. Just because some of the Guru regulars espouse a position doesn't mean I have to be in awe of what they are saying. Everyone has a right to their opinions and we all have the right to agree or disagree. I know as a Guru poster I am in a small minority of GW players and what I have to say has little importance to most of them.

It's not that they post, it's what they post. It's the type of feedback that people provide that matters most. And that's what can be tough: actual sound and logical reasoning can be tough to find since it can be buried under so much whine, qq, and general hate. But does that mean that devs should give up entirely? God no.

Tyla · Jun 12, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

One question. If people don't want grinding why are so many people continually earning max titles? By the way I only have 1.

Vanity, and the feeling of accomplishment.

Sure, PvE is easy, but I myself like to overcome these tasks and have a title as a reminder to say "Been there done that".

garethporlest18 · Jun 12, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

One question. If people don't want grinding why are so many people continually earning max titles? By the way I only have 1.

Because they have nothing better to do? Not all people see the logic in logging off the game when there's no more to do in the game. Maybe some want the title for vanity, what else reason is there to get r6 koabd?

This is just the problem. Guild Wars PvE will never be and would have never been anything more than a "vanity" section of the game which is why Anet should have just continued please the PvP playing part of the game.

Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

One question. If people don't want grinding why are so many people continually earning max titles? By the way I only have 1.

It's not that people don't like grinding. I don't mind it much, either. But I have problems with what ANet's promoting with grinding: another normal MMO. It sold beautifully before all of the power creep, so I don't see why ANet had to implement it. Maybe as a means to end-game, that I could understand. But actually receiving benefits? Become a better player just by plunging yourself into a junundu wurm over and over again and killing hordes of undead?

Now why is this a problem? It's catering in MMO players. Guild Wars is not an MMO. I don't want ANet to have to provide for these kinds of people, who don't want to actually have to solve problems in order to proceed to the next area. I want ANet to promote a highly in-depth and tactical game, not one where you solve problems by leveling up.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 12, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Because they have nothing better to do?

You can not make that statement for all people, for you can only talk for yourself.

thiagobnu · Jun 12, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I post on Guru, because I like the give and take it provides. I also know that because I post on Guru does not make me part of any great majority of GW players. When you say some players, you should be saying a portion of the Guru posters don't like what ANET is doing. I think for the so called average players (which I consider myself) don't get as upset about things as some people here do. Things like Ursan may be overpowered and maybe only should be allowed in GWEN and not the rest of GW. That said I paid the same money as the rest of you, so please don't tell me what is right and wrong for me.

What she said is right .... some players dont like all of this bull**.
I'm also consider myself an average player .... and i dont like what arenanet is doing.
Simplifying the game, forcing players to grind (there is lineage for that)....

The vast majority of the game don't upset about things because they dont care. They just play.
ArenaNet has to have objectives ... are they doing simple games for -10 year old players .... or for
a more experinced player that knows how to make a bar that works.

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Are you saying that Avarre's letter dosent mean anything ... just because he speakes in his name,
and not in name of the majority of the game ? Arenanet have to listening to players like him...
because he cares about GW, and he knows the game like a few people know.

pumpkin pie · Jun 12, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

does no one here read the interviews? i though the interviews answers a lot of the questions posted here.

some quotes:
Mike O'Brian:
"We're not really excited by the idea of changing something that people are attached to."

"According to O'Brian, the genesis for Guild Wars 2 came about during the planning stages for the next Guild Wars campaign. "Guild Wars is a really unique game," O'Brian said. "In looking at the design, we got a lot of things right. The problem was that after two years we also saw a lot of ways in which the core gameplay could be improved. These weren't things that could be addressed by adding new layers on top of the original game, though. They involved going in and making upgrades and improvements to the fundamental gameplay systems. In the end we made the decision that in order to truly make the ultimate version of Guild Wars we were going to have to make Guild Wars 2.""

while you all panic-ly pointing fingers and finding faults with Arena Net, why not wait and see whats in store for us? After all it is (for me) was for you a game that you once love and I still love. If someone can come up with a game design such as Guild Wars, wouldn't you think after 3 years they would have a 50% of chance to come up with the Ultimate version of Guild Wars? give a little credit to these people who after all created something revolutionary in the world of MMORPG.

We will know when the beta is out.

garethporlest18 · Jun 12, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

You can not make that statement for all people, for you can only talk for yourself.

I wasn't making that a statement, as you can see I had a question mark at the end of it.

Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

while you all panic-ly pointing fingers and finding faults with Arena Net, why not wait and see whats in store for us? After all it is (for me) was for you a game that you once love and I still love. If someone can come up with a game design such as Guild Wars, wouldn't you think after 3 years they would have a 50% of chance to come up with the Ultimate version of Guild Wars? give a little credit to these people who after all created something revolutionary in the world of MMORPG.

The thing is that in those three years (more like the last one or two) the game started to go a bit downhill. Now it may not have been "unsuccessful", but I would really consider inversing your game design to be a bad thing.

The reason we're so spiteful and opinionated is that we (subjective term of course) do not want the same thing to happen to GW2. Nor do we want GW2 to become what GW1 has become.

And yes, while we could wait until the beta, I'd much rather be voicing my opinion now so we don't end up being too late.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 12, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by thiagobnu

The vast majority of the game don't upset about things because they dont care. They just play.
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Are you saying that Avarre's letter dosent mean anything ... just because he speakes in his name,
and not in name of the majority of the game ? Arenanet have to listening to players like him...
because he cares about GW, and he knows the game like a few people know.

The vast majority just plays, that says it all.

Avarre's letter can only state his opinion, for he has no right to speak for all and I don't think he ever implied he was speaking for all. I respect his thoughts, but I don't have to agree with all he says, as he won't agree with mine. It's just that I am not in awe of what he says as many in this post seem to be.

Darksun · Jun 12, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Yeah this sounds great and everything, but even if everyone on this forum asked for the exact same thing (which we sure as hell don't) it wouldn't accurately represent the GW playing majority.

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

The vast majority just plays, that says it all.

Avarre's letter can only state his opinion, for he has no right to speak for all and I don't think he ever implied he was speaking for all. I respect his thoughts, but I don't have to agree with all he says, as he won't agree with mine. It's just that I am not in awe of what he says as many in this post seem to be.

QFT. There is really nothing "epic" about this, it's just an opinion. Some of which I agree with some I don't.
Have to take everything here with a grain of salt.

Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

The vast majority just plays, that says it all.

Precisely. The "majority" player just plays, regardless of what's happening or not.

So who was it ANet was listening to when they decided to implement all of these things?

sph0nz · Jun 12, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Yeah this sounds great and everything, but even if everyone on this forum asked for the exact same thing (which we sure as hell don't) it wouldn't accurately represent the GW playing majority.

Have to take everything here with a grain of salt.

Fair enough, but you're acting as if the majority is always the best way to go. Clearly, that isn't the case in terms of game development; it may be a good business choice, however.

Zesbeer · Jun 12, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

SOME PLAYERS DONT LIKE WHAT ANET IS DOING

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Originally Posted by Airstu

SOME PLAYERS LIKE WHAT ANET IS DOING

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

SOME PLAYERS WANT TO KNOW WHY ANET IS DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING

SOME PEOPLE THINK ANET HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND WONDER IF THEY EVEN PLAY THIS GAME

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 12, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Precisely. The "majority" player just plays, regardless of what's happening or not.

So who was it ANet was listening to when they decided to implement all of these things?

Maybe they actually look at statistics complied by people playing the game and adjusted their game to what they were seeing. I am not privvy to whom they speak and I don't seem to make the assumption you seem to be making.

Most players don't care what we on Guru have to say about anything and really do just play the game. I do not have the attitude, "I post on Guru therefore what I have to say is important"

Bryant Again · Jun 12, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Maybe they actually look at statistics complied by people playing the game and adjusted their game to what they were seeing.

So they actually want people to not have to think while playing? I don't know of any game developer who would ever want to encourage that kind of gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I am not privvy to whom they speak and I don't seem to make the assumption you seem to be making.

That they listened to a minority, as big a minority as the ones you see here.

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Most players don't care what we on Guru have to say about anything and really do just play the game. I do not have the attitude, "I post on Guru therefore what I have to say is important"

The people here do not think they're important for posting on guru. They think they're important because they've played for 3 years, know the ins-and-outs of PvE or PvP, and in general know a hell of a lot about the game...And I would consider that pretty important.