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RotteN · Jun 08, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by Taurus

What's the ecto rate on SF farm, per hour ?

somewhere between 6 and 20 depending on how lucky your are.

All those facts aside, i don't see anything "negative" in wealth being available to more than just the hardcore 24/7 players. It gives everyone willing to spend some time towards a certain goal (being obsidian or a nice rare skin or whatever) the chance to actually achieve it.

I was one of the first to get female warrior obsidian. Back then i spend between 2,5 and 3 million gold to get it. You don't see me complaining about everyone being able to buy it, now do you ? Surely, my gear is less unique than it was in 2005, but i still like the skin (which is the reason why i bought it in the first place). So i don't see any holes in people being able to purchase the same skin if they like it aswell.

Lykan · Jun 08, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

As long as players trade with each other like they do pretty much all the time and dont sell to the trader it wont change much.

DarkNecrid · Jun 08, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I've been mass selling to the trader I hope people don't mind ^^

Dante the Warlord · Jun 08, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

I just hope that people farming are farming for the intent of getting obsidian armor and choas gloves and not for trade. if so ecto economy might crash.... and i just made a huge trade with ectos..

Divinus Stella · Jun 08, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Taurus

What's the ecto rate on SF farm, per hour ?

About 4-5 per run average, a run takes 20min, at best 15 ecto per hour which is 75k, i dont see how thats gonna kill the economy.

The Red Messenger · Jun 08, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

I've been mass selling to the trader I hope people don't mind ^^

thats fine...

for every 100 people who merch em, lowering the price of ectos, theres another 1000 people who buy at trader when it hits 4.8, putting it right back to 5.5. this is why i believe ecto prices are safe.

by the way....does anyone know why the price wont go between 4.8 and 5.5? its a pretty big gap. I've seen 4.6, 4.7, 4.8, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5...it seems like the incriments are every 500g when it hits 5.5, and theres nothing in between 4.8 and 5.5

Gwmaster · Jun 08, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

man my luck sure must suck since i get an average of 1 ecto per run LOL!

Knight of Dark Mage · Jun 08, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

It has been nerfed already so don't worry

Neo Nugget · Jun 08, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Knight of Dark Mage

It has been nerfed already so don't worry

....no it hasn't. What are you talking about.

Nightow · Jun 08, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Averaging 5-7 ectos a run != nerf.

DarkGanni · Jun 08, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Kurenai Fire Sensei

Hi guys sry for my bad english but it isn t my native lauguage. I will try to explain what i think in the better way i can.
I want to talk about the recent [shadow form] PvE uptade, i think that this uptaded skill will destroy the ectos value like ursan destroyed shards price.
Well, i think all know that now farming ectos whit an A/E or better whit an A/Me is the the simplest thing that a tard player could easily do.
Yesterday some of my friends farmed about 50e in 10 hours and i saw tons of sins soloing in ToA since SF was utaded.
I think that this isn t a nice thing because ectos price will droop soon, they are easier to farm than shards!!!!!
And if ectos will drop their prices FoW armor/chaos Gloves and most of stuff will become a load of rubbish.
Making the farm too easy isn t a nice thing and uw farming (atm the best farming place) will be an usless activity.
Then i think that SF need a new nerf as soon as possible or all gw economy will crash. Last skills balance was orrible and will destroy the gw economy.
What do u think about?

Ps: sry again for my bad english i hope all have understood what i want to say

Yep the economy will crash....That happened long ago. If SF is nerfed may aswell nerf all the other farming builds, Ursan included.

SmokingHotImolation · Jun 08, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Mortis

Don't like the way gw is going? Go play wow.

You can like GW, but still be worried about the way GW is going.
This post is almost as bad as those: "DUN LAIK IT DUN USE IT", damn i hate those.
oh and /signed for shadowform being nerfed.. removed. Along with shadowstepping. Oh wth, just go back in time, and prevent sins of being made. They dont fit it GW.

mrmango · Jun 08, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Who gives a crap about the GW economy?

DarkGanni · Jun 08, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by SmokingHotImolation

You can like GW, but still be worried about the way GW is going.
This post is almost as bad as those: "DUN LAIK IT DUN USE IT", damn i hate those.
oh and /signed for shadowform being nerfed.. removed. Along with shadowstepping. Oh wth, just go back in time, and prevent sins of being made. They dont fit it GW.

If SF is nerfed Anet may aswell nerf all farming builds and I'm referring to 600/Smite, Terra farming, W/Rt or anything with VwK and Ursan aswell.

To me those wanting SF to be nerfed are ppl who:

1. Have expensive weapons and don't want to lose value from.

2. Jealous kids who can't or want to make an assassin.

3. Players that just want to ruin other's fun.

As I say: The cheaper the better. This isn't a game who's the most richest person in game. Ruining other players fun is cruel.

Conclusion: Want money too? make a sin and quit the childish whining.

Striken7 · Jun 09, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

More wealth being available to everyone can be good, AND ridiculously overpowered skills can be bad. Solving one problem by intentionally creating another is bad game design... and thats why Anet did it.

jhu · Jun 09, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

there isn't a real economy when expensive items work the same as cheap/free items - unless you're selling your gold/expensive items for real world money.

Sha Noran · Jun 09, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

I love when people make sweeping statements about singular actions or changes "destroying" the economy. I would wager that most people who make such statements haven't done a lot of study on how the economy, or any economy, works.

To be frank, our economy in Guild Wars has been a disaster for quite some time... however that particular statement is over used, and despite the low standards most of us already have for trading, it's fair to say that changes and updates may affect our current money's value overall.

Despite this, I repeat again that the "Chicken Little" approach to economic changes is a bad one. In my estimation, actually, these recent PvE changes have likely stimulated the economy. The average player sees these buffs to their favorite classes and skills and these changes alone may entice them enough to play more, perhaps with new goals of 15k/FoW armor or high end weaponry... or anything, really. The worst kind of economy is one with too many sellers and not enough buyers... this problem has plagued Guild Wars for some time. With everything more easily attainable, it's possible that the influx of people making money (and thus wanting to spend it on things, AKA "demand") will make the simultaneous influx of merchandise (AKA "supply") a non-issue. This would give us an over-all improved economy, with more stability for the average player, while the previously wealthy, despite some minor harm to their overall worth, will remain the top tier in the market... think of lowering the difficulty of PvE as basically raising Guild Wars' minimum wage.

Yawgmoth · Jun 09, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

If SF is nerfed Anet may aswell nerf all farming builds and I'm referring to 600/Smite, Terra farming, W/Rt or anything with VwK and Ursan aswell.

To me those wanting SF to be nerfed are ppl who:

1. Have expensive weapons and don't want to lose value from.

2. Jealous kids who can't or want to make an assassin.

3. Players that just want to ruin other's fun.

As I say: The cheaper the better. This isn't a game who's the most richest person in game. Ruining other players fun is cruel.

Conclusion: Want money too? make a sin and quit the childish whining.

Attitudes like this are deadly for the game, greedy little whiners who want more and more easier and easier.

Updates catering to this type of players are what ruins the game.

While abusing the imba for big ecto gain is what I'm doing now, I keep saying it's just completely wrong, and allowing that is a terrible game design. Nerf is a must.

You forgot on your list:

4. People who care about integrity and balance of the game as a whole

Vitues · Jun 09, 2008, 03:43 AM // 03:43

i made 94 ecto in 4 hours yesterday

So.... Yea there goes the economy

EinherjarMx · Jun 09, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Vitues

i made 94 ecto in 4 hours yesterday

So.... Yea there goes the economy

thats 23.5 ecto an hour, you must be very lucky