Curse

HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 04, 2008, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Time for me to build a sin.

Kurenai Fire Sensei · Jun 04, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

btw... best UW HM time is 29 minutes. FTW!!!

the best is 20 mins whit 3 terras and 1 assa
my best is 34 mins whit 2 terras and no assa

Leonhart · Jun 04, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07

You know the story, greed is the source to most problems, keep everything to yourself...greedy little OPer

The Way Out · Jun 04, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I laugh at the people who have the spare time to sit in front of the computer clicking the same icons again and again long enough to make 50/e per day. We could start a comedy club together.

Just for kicks and giggles, I calculated it. Based on my current ecto stash and the time it took me to get them, I'd have to play for over 15 hours to get 50 ectos.

Maybe you know some magical place where the drop rate is substantially higher, but I don't have 15 free hours a day to repetitively click icons in a video game. Even if I didn't have a job I wouldn't.

Edit: actually, that's not true. That's using my combined drop rate for shards and ectos and I get much worse drop rates on shards, so it's probably more like 10 hours a day, which is still well high enough for me to mock you.

The "magical" place you are talking about is called playing a terra tank in a speed run group. The runs take thirty minutes and you average six ecto a run. Do the math. If you haven't done speed runs, then I just point out that you don't know about them. Also, if you happen to get a good drop at the end chest, either an eternal blade or something else, you average more ecto than that. Playing the same area for ten hours in one day nets me more gold then most of you see the entire time you play gw.

On another note, this is nothing new. I made 4 million back when CoF runs first started (600/smite). I was selling Muraki's Reaver for 15k and netting 20k for paid runs every forty minutes (excluding any golds, rin relics, charr carvings, ele swords, or greens I got during the runs). I bought my obi armor in three days of grinding.

I would rather do things the simple, fast, and easy way in order to not have to cry about being broke all the time. Feel me?

The Red Messenger · Jun 04, 2008, 02:14 PM // 14:14

My money is in lockpicks. the most stable, needed commodity that doesnt go up or down. Anet seems to be pulling strings on ecto prices anyway...since a few times they have went WAY down in price for an unknown reason, and shot right back to their starting point in minutes. they used to vary more, but now they seem extremely stable at 5.5 @ trader. i think ectos are safe, but picks are the safest bet.

The Way Out · Jun 04, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

My money is in lockpicks. the most stable, needed commodity that doesnt go up or down. Anet seems to be pulling strings on ecto prices anyway...since a few times they have went WAY down in price for an unknown reason, and shot right back to their starting point in minutes. they used to vary more, but now they seem extremely stable at 5.5 @ trader. i think ectos are safe, but picks are the safest bet.

There are articles and whistleblowers who claim anet sells gol... WHOA... did I just say that??? hahahahahahaha

Tyla · Jun 04, 2008, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Soul Reaping exists in PvP with no major problems these days.

It's actually underpowered if you ask me. And I'm talking PvE here.

NickelPlate · Jun 04, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by knoll

Ecto has stayed at 5.5k for what a week + now? I don't think it will ruin the economy.

True on that. Ectos have been between 4.8k and 5.5k for months now at the trader anyway (pretty stable) . I try to check the prices daily and only once saw them go to 6k. Unless something major changes in the supply or demand, I don't see the price changing drastically one way or the other.

aapo · Jun 04, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Tyla

If they are to nerf this, they would also hit Ursan, SY, TNTF, ERenewal and Soul Reaping.

- Choices one makes in life are like vectors - they have direction and magnitude. Most of us would be happy if ANET took small steps into making this game enjoyable, steps that wouldn't always be so controversial. However the direction ANET has taken is hell and magnitude is raging stampede.

Unreal Havoc · Jun 04, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

I'm tired of hearing this crap when the update really did nothing above what could already be done?

Pretty much sums it up really.

Ctb · Jun 04, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Do the math.

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I bought my obi armor in three days of grinding.

3 ectos per 15 minutes and 30 hours of grind time. That's slightly better than what I was facing just doing 15/30 minute solo UW and FoW runs.

That's why I don't have the armor.

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Playing the same area for ten hours in one day

I'm not arguing with you, you know. We both figured about the same amount of time to grind out the mats and money using two different methods. I'm just saying I can't imagine having that much free time, or being so bored with my free time that I would confuse repeatedly clicking the same 8 icons over and over for hours at a time with something that was fun and worthwhile.

To each their own. I'll never have the patience to sit and do that, and I don't find it impressive that anybody else does.

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I would rather do things the simple, fast, and easy way in order to not have to cry about being broke all the time. Feel me?

I would rather just not play a broken game... so I don't anymore. Feel me?

Few people find clicking 8 icons in sequence for 30 hours to be "fun". Unfortunately, it's ANET's idea of end game content.

Meh, whatever. I got 1100 hours of entertainment for about $150. Hard to beat that conversion rate.

The Way Out · Jun 04, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Ctb

3 ectos per 15 minutes and 30 hours of grind time. That's slightly better than what I was facing just doing 15/30 minute solo UW and FoW runs.

That's why I don't have the armor.

I'm not arguing with you, you know. We both figured about the same amount of time to grind out the mats and money using two different methods. I'm just saying I can't imagine having that much free time, or being so bored with my free time that I would confuse repeatedly clicking the same 8 icons over and over for hours at a time with something that was fun and worthwhile.

To each their own. I'll never have the patience to sit and do that, and I don't find it impressive that anybody else does.

I would rather just not play a broken game... so I don't anymore. Feel me?

Few people find clicking 8 icons in sequence for 30 hours to be "fun". Unfortunately, it's ANET's idea of end game content.

Meh, whatever. I got 1100 hours of entertainment for about $150. Hard to beat that conversion rate.

At 12 ecto an hour, you can get 120 ecto in ten hours. I normally do UW five times a day... which is 2.5 hours. Same as two HM missions for most people. Five runs nets me a lot of ecto. That was what I was getting at.

Also, the game itself is boring as hell. I have done everything already. I do UW or FoW now to beat my best times and to socialize with friends. Everything else sucks. Seriously, if you are playing this game and find it challenging, hats off to you. I don't find it difficult in NM or HM. Once I learned the mechanics and skillsets, the game became dead to me.

phan · Jun 04, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Kurenai Fire Sensei

y economy is already dead but SF uptade will COMPLETELY destroy the gw economy. farming 50e/day i could buy a fow in 2 days, chaos gloves in 1,5 days, eternal in 4-5 days and high-end minis in a few weeks. SF must have a nerf

Your math is perfect ; 2x50e = 120e + 120s + 75k

& how in hell's name can people farm 50e's a day ; i got mentally disturbed if i do the same 2 missions in a week ;

and tbh ; i don't care anymore .. I enjoy my 15k armors ; non-req9 items .

I'd rather spent my sunday evening playing PvP and going to dungeons with my brother with wacky builds than farming .

Ctb · Jun 04, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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At 12 ecto an hour, you can get 120 ecto in ten hours.

But shard drops are terrible and killing the things that carry them is slower for most classes, so you also have to get enough ectos to sell to buy the shards, so it's more than 10 hours to get the armor. If you devote all the time you play to doing it. Which I didn't (alt-tab, insulting dweebs between runs, wasting time running in circles because I was getting bored and didn't want to go back in).

I got to 45 ectos and gave up. It's just plain, freaking boring. In reality, at the rate I was working on it, it would have taken me 3 months, easily, to get the armor. Which would be okay if there was anything else to do to fill the in-between time when I wasn't farming.

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Seriously, if you are playing this game and find it challenging, hats off to you. I don't find it difficult in NM or HM. Once I learned the mechanics and skillsets, the game became dead to me.

Which is exactly what I was getting at. Once you've finished the game and its extra areas, all that's left is grinding for armor, titles, rep... blah. Forget it.

Yawgmoth · Jun 04, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

There are 2 problems - with imbalanced skills hurting the game experience as a whole and with easy overfarm hurting the economy.
And in current world both are connected.

Even completely forgetting about the economy, ridiculously overpowered skills and builds (like infinite god mode) should not exist, if they are found they should be nerfed both in PvP and PvE.

I abused imba skills and builds for profit whenever it was possible (in PvE only) but I've always felt it's just wrong, that it should be nerfed. And I always welcomed the nerfs of imba stuff, even if it destroyed my current way for easy cash.

People should stop being greedy and only thinking of easy profit.

And as for damaging the economy issue - imba skills aren't the only factor, more important is how widespread the knowledge of abusable builds and their popularity is. Buffing of already stupidly powerful skills like SF makes their abuse evn easier, accessible for the masses and this is where the real damage comes from.

Jetdoc · Jun 04, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by NickelPlate

Unless something major changes in the supply or demand, I don't see the price changing drastically one way or the other.

That's the OP's point. The supply is starting to significantly rise with the increase in power of the PvE skills (e.g. Shadow Form), while demand continues to fall as more and more players leave the game.

That can only put a downward pressure on ecto prices. How significant that pressure will be, however, is subject to debate.

bhavv · Jun 04, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

http://www.acapela-group.com/Greetings/1-b906fe52af353

See this.

Snow Bunny · Jun 04, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Ecto is at 5.5k

ups

aB- · Jun 04, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I don't really see how the change to SF has changed anything. Ecto could still be farmed before the update and still can be. Nothing has changed.

romeus petrus · Jun 04, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

We have a contest among some guildies on whos going to make one stack of ectos with SF first. Some are getting 50-60 ectos in a few hours of farming..

All I'm going to say is: enjoy it while it lasts!