Curse

EPO Bot · Jun 23, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

So lately i found a lot of puggers want your monk to have a HB build directly copied from wiki without any room for creativity.Failure to deliver will get you "OMG NUB'"'d and kicked.So what i do is pinging the cookie cutter build to them and then quickly change it into the build i feel like using. Not surprisingly, the mindless ursans don't even notice i have replaced healing seed with spotless mind and gliph of lesser energy with divine spirit for DoA.

So: Do you guys do this as well?

Tyla · Jun 23, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

It's because HB is the strongest form of healing in the game. Infuse excluded. And it so happens that Ursans shouldn't need prots, aswell as consumables being present.

GoLE > Divine Spirit by the way. Divine Spirit is bad under most circumstances.

As for Healing Seed, yeah it sucks.

And yeah, I always do it. I only PuG AB though.

Chrono Re delle Ere · Jun 23, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Pugs are pugs, it's a well known issue.

Plz anet nerf pugs.

BlackSephir · Jun 23, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

No.
My heroes don't tell me what build I should run.

komma · Jun 23, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

So what i do is pinging the cookie cutter build to them and then quickly change it into the build i feel like using. So: Do you guys do this as well?

I do this from time to time aswell when people try telling me how to run an SS build...its like "noobs i know about the wiki cookie cutter builds your familiar with...i however like to stray away from what everyone else is using."

anywho yea, sneaky sneaky

EPO Bot · Jun 23, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Tyla

It's because HB is the strongest form of healing in the game. Infuse excluded. And it so happens that Ursans shouldn't need prots, aswell as consumables being present.

GoLE > Divine Spirit by the way. Divine Spirit is bad under most circumstances.

As for Healing Seed, yeah it sucks.

Unless you have 16 DF/13HP and a 20% enchant staff (to make seed of life even more godly) and only use Heal party when needed instead of spamming it.

Tyla · Jun 23, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

People run 16 Divine Favour for it? Wow that's bad. And besides, GoLE = free heals unless it's 15+ energy, in which it will only cost 5+ energy.

And as far as energy management goes, nothing compares to GoLE except for a few things that are only for other professions.

Channeling is only most decent for places like HA.

Kikuta · Jun 23, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Channeling is only most decent for places like HA.

Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...

Channeling is great for any caster in PvE.

EPO Bot · Jun 23, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

No, i just use my own build because i like to have a style of my own instead of being identical to every other monk in the game. That's what i like about the giant spellbook of GW after all.

around · Jun 23, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Because running right up close to a mob who are liable to instagib you is a great idea, amirite?

Dallcingi · Jun 23, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Yeah I just change skills afterwards since they do not even notice.

Alexandra-Sweet · Jun 23, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Kikuta

Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...

Channeling is great for any caster in PvE.

Casters in PvE shouldn't be right next to the enemy, thus Channeling isn't as efficient in PvE.

Turbobusa · Jun 23, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Kikuta

Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...

Channeling is great for any caster in PvE.

I don't know about you but on my necro I rarely have more than 2-3 ennemies on my backline.
That's if the frontline failed to keep aggro on them (kinda-tanking purpose)
I prefer them to be away from squishies but hey that's just me.

You either have lots of ennemies on you, and need the energy, or you don't, and you don't need energy.
Rather ironic.

on topic:
I ping the bar they want me to run, then switch out the bad skills for better ones. I don't mind playing with some less efficient skills anyway, most of the people asking you to run HB are ursans, and there isn't much to do other than push bars up on a big armored ally.

NYC Elite · Jun 23, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Kikuta

Right. Nevermind the mobs of 8 enemies you'll frequently see in PvE...

Channeling is great for any caster in PvE.

I didn't know non-ursan monk tanking was the new meta. GoLE > Channeling in PvE.

Kayelyyb · Jun 23, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

No.
My heroes don't tell me what build I should run.

your heros don't tell you what builds to run.... man your lucky Gwen loves calling me a nub and koss well if he is in group he will overaggro enemy just to mess with me if i don't use the proper wiki build.

and olias is the worse, more than once i had to remove kick me signs off my back.

The Red Messenger · Jun 23, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

i think monks should be replaced by healing potions in GW2. this is one of the many things diablo 2 did right =)

on a serious note...

those cookie cutter builds make people happy because an inexperienced monk can pick it up and heal decently as long as they understand the game somewhat. until there is a way to prove experience, people in pugs prefer the build that is proven to be solid.

i agree, other builds can be better, but this one is a catch-all (minus condition and hex removal, which is nice to have)

Tyla · Jun 23, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

No, i just use my own build because i like to have a style of my own instead of being identical to every other monk in the game. That's what i like about the giant spellbook of GW after all.

I'd rather use one of the strongest energy management skills in the game over a sub-par one that is only up ~90% of the time.

Nessar · Jun 23, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

I usually ping whatever bar, then I change it to what will work for the area. Most people don't notice since their red bars stay up ^^

Also, I use GoLE more often then channeling, since my monk doesn't leroy into mobs...

Kikuta · Jun 23, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Can't argue with everyone's reply, but I do like to equip channeling in mob heavy areas as an 'emergency' countermeasure. The way I see it the more enemies that are close to me, the more energy I'll probably need to keep myself and fellow casters alive - it's usually the case. Probably not fully worth the skill slot it takes up but oh well, makes me comfy in iffy situations.

Sethellington · Jun 23, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29

i ask to ping, but usally if there any variation oh HB, as long as it has [Healer's Boon][Seed of Life][Healing Seed][Heal Party] + whatever else thrown in, I won't say anything, and I'll be happy to have found a prospectively competent monk. Of course, in a few situations, seeds are redundant, so again, I don't complain