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Solange · Jul 06, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

people dislike these builds because they are more BUILD > Skill - they are easy to use and don't require as much timing/experience/skill to use

So why leave them and allow people to run them still?

Warrior is my favourite class and I USED tO run one all the time in Random Arena but it got extremely annoying having to face SWAY Rangers [build=OgokcpZSKrik01A2YYxR91qBwhAA] - if you can't beat em join em

so i found myself instead of hoping and praying for a monk to be on my team to bring anti-block/dodge stuff

[build=OQQUcsoS5qJ8NTlIa1PpJBgAAA] but it left me not doing as much damage and susceptible to hexes

[build=OQIUEXJXFsNRF44eVr8TGO/VBAA] ?????????

You can't do everything yet these "Cheap" builds have the ability to almost do everything....everything in the sense of ability to get health, do damage, defenses and not have anything stopping you while doing this

Thoughts?

Ate of DK · Jul 06, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Solange

So why leave them and allow people to run them still?

Thoughts?

Because the moment they get nerfed/destroyed you have a few builds to replace them for the same reasons you mentioned above...

Edit: PvXwiki shows tons of builds that will replace those you mentioned.

Solange · Jul 06, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ate of DK

Because the moment they get nerfed/destroyed you have a few builds to replace them for the same reasons you mentioned above...

Edit: PvXwiki shows tons of builds that will replace those you mentioned.

so just leave them as is?

Ate of DK · Jul 06, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

Those builds you mention really aren't godmode. They are also limited in their options and have plenty of counters. When you're running a counter you're probably less effective against another kind of builds. Which brings us to what makes Guild Wars so interesting.

Alexandra-Sweet · Jul 06, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

What I hate about pretty much every Ranger in RA is that they always run away when they're the last one standing, it gives all Rangers a bad name.

And since they have a constant speed boost, blocking and condition removal a snare is pretty hard to apply.

majikmajikmajik · Jul 06, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

just run crippling anguish and more degen = no mo sway ranger lol they cant get to you and they cant heal..

JONO51 · Jul 06, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solange

people dislike these builds because they are more BUILD > Skill - they are easy to use and don't require as much timing/experience/skill to use

So why leave them and allow people to run them still?

Warrior is my favourite class and I USED tO run one all the time in Random Arena but it got extremely annoying having to face SWAY Rangers [build=OgokcpZSKrik01A2YYxR91qBwhAA] - if you can't beat em join em

so i found myself instead of hoping and praying for a monk to be on my team to bring anti-block/dodge stuff

[build=OQQUcsoS5qJ8NTlIa1PpJBgAAA] but it left me not doing as much damage and susceptible to hexes

[build=OQIUEXJXFsNRF44eVr8TGO/VBAA] ?????????

You can't do everything yet these "Cheap" builds have the ability to almost do everything....everything in the sense of ability to get health, do damage, defenses and not have anything stopping you while doing this

Thoughts?

[Signet of Humility]?

Maybe that'll work+other stuff to kill?

Tyla · Jul 06, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

^
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In other words, use a bad skill?

Either way, those builds are just bad.

the Puppeteer · Jul 06, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

wild blow...?

toastgodsupreme · Jul 06, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

can't counter everything. and in RA, it's fubar. just gotta accept it.

Navaros · Jul 06, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

OP is incorrect. No build can do everything, and certainly not the ones listed in the OP.

Learn to counter. There plenty of ways to counter everything listed in the OP. If you can't be bothered to counter them, then it's your fault if you lose to them. End of story.

Foe · Jul 06, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Navaros

OP is incorrect. No build can do everything, and certainly not the ones listed in the OP.

Learn to counter. There plenty of ways to counter everything listed in the OP. If you can't be bothered to counter them, then it's your fault if you lose to them. End of story.

You cant build and counter build in ra..as its ra. The OP obviously is referring to the builds like sway ability to mitigate dmg, remove conds and push out dmg, as he clearly states. The OP says "almost everything" and its quite clear what he wishes to articulate in that sentence. Learn to read and Troll less, ok?

Basically your problem is ra, its luck of the draw and thats it. I would suggest moving to a pvp format such as gvg,ta,ha where you dont have to run a gimped bar in order to "do it all".

I wouldn't expect to see nerfs to expertise or deadly arts any time soon. As pointed out these builds are not at all effective outside of ra and hb which are the bottom of the barrel. Or you could turn off local and team chat and run a monk when you ra, problem solved!

Cale Roughstar · Jul 06, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

The only build certain to help your team in RA is a monk. It is RA, dont try to do it all. Try to bring a basically usefull bar, with a little utility. Blindbot eles for example, are great as they can shutdown opponents and provide heavy damage if there is no melee to fight against. It is all about being usefull.

And to counter those builds mentioned above? Gogo water magic.

masta_yoda · Jul 06, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

play necro or mesmer gg

Alleji · Jul 07, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

If you want to stick to war, bring wild blow (and/or warrior's cunning).

If you just want to RED ENGINE-up swayers, play a hexer.

FlamingMetroid · Jul 07, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

who let Solange out of his cage?

Winterclaw · Jul 07, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

And since they have a constant speed boost, blocking and condition removal a snare is pretty hard to apply.

Hex-snare perhaps? Or wild blow/wilde strike as Puppeteer suggested? And what about Diverson?

Dronte · Jul 07, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

You shouldnt hunt melee in RA.. Go on casters, others will rape the r/d-s.

Btw, I personally dont hate touch ranger or R/D, because these are bad builds and generally easy to beat (not with warrior, ofc)

garethporlest18 · Jul 07, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Nothin you can do in RA. It pisses me off just as much but then I think it's RA and there's nothing I can say. I wouldn't mind them being nerfed just because of RA/HA though..good players shouldn't be using that stuff in GvG anyways. And TA is just as gimmicky as RA, but the teams all know each other usually and know what to do, so it's like higher level gimmick. So really the only good PvP is..not on Guild Wars anymore.

I still RA for fun though..and I've beaten many of those things you've placed..Touch Ranger is still hard on warrior cause who the hell wants to bring Wild Blow anymore? Sure I'll gimp my KD/Damage for Wild Blow that will be 85% useless!

around · Jul 07, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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What I hate about pretty much every Ranger in RA is that they always run away when they're the last one standing, it gives all Rangers a bad name.

The whole point of being a ranger is that you're hard to kill. It's been that way since cripshots were first used in PvP, with distortion etc etc.