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Tyla · Jul 06, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46

People are people.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The Guild Wars community is nowhere near the rudest community on the internet.

That's surprising to me, although I've only played Runescape, Guild Wars and Diablo II online.

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 06, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Rude community: the Age of Conan PvP Servers.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34

Also, the class forums are a great source of entertainment.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

fireflyry · Jul 06, 2008, 10:56 AM // 10:56

Logically theres bound to be worse but it's obviously based on personal experience.

The good thing about GW is that , for the most part, such players are easily ignored with tools provided to keep them out of your game.Once I'd joined a mature guild, made a few friends and discovered the ignore list, off-line function and chat tabs the issue became relatively minor.

BlueNovember · Jul 06, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Kids play video games. ...
Now, if you see a 14 year old kid playing a computer game, and an old hairy 40 year old guy playing a video game, which do you think would look less appropriate? The 40 year old guy.
The GW community, for some unknown reason, is FULL of these people who are 30+ years old spending massive time on Guild Wars. Their carebear attitude and habit of taking everything far too serious is pretty much opposite of the people of the age group that SHOULD be playing video games (14-20ish) who are lighthearted players who can joke around. ...

^_^ =(
I'm light-hearted and fun-loving despite putting more time into gw than I should. Why exactly should I not be playing?

I've met people twice my age and half my age in gw, and of course there's a range of maturity and personalities in all of them, not necessarily with the oldest being the most mature and the least "carebare".

People can be asses on the internet because there's no accountability.
As an amusing cartoon once illustrated;
Normal Person + Anonymity = Total Asshole.

Elder III · Jul 06, 2008, 11:10 AM // 11:10

I'd say that GW has gone downhill a fair bit in the last 6 months (player attitude wise that is) - but it's still not the worst out there. Silkroad Online is worse, as is Age of Aries.
I only played WoW briefly, but my exp. there was not overly pleasant either ( an interesting note about separate servers though, I had a char on a Horde server that was very rude towards new players, while my char on the Alliance server was immediately accepted even at a low level).
I'm taking a break from GW due to ISP troubles, but I have a good 20 people (maybe 1/3 of the total) on my friends list that I can easily chat with for half an hour, not to mention my guildmates who are all great guys/gals. My ignore list only has 3 on it, so overall I'd say that's a good ratio.

It's all about the people you surround yourself with - all new players should join a good guild that makes a point of helping new players adapt to the game.... best thing you can do to make the game enjoyable from the start.

fireflyry · Jul 06, 2008, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Kids play video games. That's what they do. Wherever there is a video game, there will be kids.

Now, if you see a 14 year old kid playing a computer game, and an old hairy 40 year old guy playing a video game, which do you think would look less appropriate? The 40 year old guy.

The GW community, for some unknown reason, is FULL of these people who are 30+ years old spending massive time on Guild Wars. Their carebear attitude and habit of taking everything far too serious is pretty much opposite of the people of the age group that SHOULD be playing video games (14-20ish) who are lighthearted players who can joke around. That's where the nuclear war happens. It's like when cold and warm air fronts collide, what do you get? A tornado. And in this case, it's a shitstorm tornado of over-punctuation and reports, and "NOUNOUNOU DIK DIK DIK" 's.

Actually your wrong there.

All of the current and reliable statistical research and studies on the topic places the average gamer age at 22-40 with only subtle variations between this age range, based mainly on location, hence your "majority of players should be 14 and therefore have the relevant age defined attitude" argument holds no water or justification for bad or unacceptable behavior.

In saying age seems to be largely irrelevant, although not totally imo.I think maturity has far more significance.

Fril Estelin · Jul 06, 2008, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Just bear in mind that your perception of the GW community is relative to your experience of the game. PvPer and PvErs can experience differently due to the different nature of these sides of the game.

I'd like to put again a link to a thread I created about the topic of how competitive videogames bring about mercenary attitudes, with links to relevant articles:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10240997

It's right that the age has an impact of playerbase attitude, but it surely is not the only factor (and probably not the main one, after all the GW community is not as big as one thinks). So stop blaming kids right now.

chozodude · Jul 06, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

people+anonymous=troll

people (almost) never change= trolls never change

bad troll is bad...+anonymous is legion= "rude community" AKA trollfest

there we go, math for beginners =D

absolute · Jul 06, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I would just add that i have been to more than a few MMO's before, and every game(without an exception) has alot of immature people and lowly talk (see RA for example). the game's payment has something to do with it, as free games have alot of botters for example and that may cause for stress and anger for many people.In general, GW is the best game i ever saw in the market. why? because while in other games those very same people that may hurt you verbaly, can very well also cause for grief in other means while here they cannot(and if using Ignore list not even verbaly).

Xugumad · Jul 06, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Kids play video games. That's what they do. Wherever there is a video game, there will be kids.

Good grief you're listening too stereotypes too much. Yes, a lot of kids play games, but your average gamer is in the late 20s-early 30s (depending on the report you're reading). For example, http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...php?story=9342

Yes, there are games designed to appeal more to kids, but the game developers would have to be insane to write off the vast majority of the population is not of interest. Especially given that today's 20-30-something has been playing games for a very long time, and probably doesn't feel a particular need to stop.

Franco Power · Jul 06, 2008, 12:12 PM // 12:12

You take this game too seriously for actually caring, if you not happy, just quit.

FFS, why do people whine so damn much in these forums instead of just quitting the game? Jeez, call me rude but if you're not happy, just gtfo, can't put it anyway else.

Kusandaa · Jul 06, 2008, 12:15 PM // 12:15

I'm playing on a few online games right now, notably Lineage II, Diablo II and GW.

On the L2 server I play, we have little to no problems. GMs are there, players with a bad attitude, spammers and leechers get shot down in flood chat by the other people and not just GMs, the guys and gals in general seem helpful... but they don't have that carebear attitude for most.

D2's community doesn't talk too much unless it's to make trades or spam "can ne1 rush 4 4ge nl???". Well anyways, the chatrooms I land in when I start. I used to get on some chatrooms (back when I played with my husband), the people were chatty but they were insanely boring (a lot of cute fuzzywuzzy furry RPers...), bit childish and we'd get abuse cases every now and then. As for the groups themselves, communication is extremely minimal. "pp", "tp", "tp up" and "ng". Unless you fall on some chatty groups.

While GW's just rampant with tards. Spammers, leechers, people with general bad attitudes and behaviors - you'll get insults for about every reason possible. Armor, builds, equipment, your main profession... the narutard who blames you for his death despite he rushed like mad in the next mob even though it took you all your energy to keep him alive because at the end of the game he doesn't even have max armor... the people who go AFK in the middle of a huge mob without saying anything, then comes back 20 minutes later with "sry had 2 go dinner" or they resume like it was nothing.

And that's in GROUPS. Because in outposts they're just spammers, they're going to insult you for a yes, for a no, they complain about skill nerfs/buffs, want the exact opposite of what they wanted 2 minutes ago, call you a noob for buying/selling something at a fair price, fight with groups who ditched them or just starting general arguments.

I dunno if I blame the lack of monthly fee or the general "anonymity + dumbass + crowd = even more of a dumbass", it's probably a mix of both. 'Cause with no monthly fees, parents are probably more eager to buy games for their kids. Then you have the adult who takes this game way too seriously. Actually, it doesn't take age to have no common sense...

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Originally Posted by Xugumad

Good grief you're listening too stereotypes too much. Yes, a lot of kids play games, but your average gamer is in the late 20s-early 30s (depending on the report you're reading). For example, http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...php?story=9342

I'm in that age range and I try to be careful to what I say in this game. I won't go and insult someone 'cause they're equipped with different weapons than I am. That's just common sense and I see a lotta people lacking it. As I was just saying, you don't have an age requirement for "no common sense". But I think anyone who's acting like a tard in this game, by the way they type, SOUND like (maybe) a 10-year-old and under. "UR MOM" replies, to name an example. The guy might be 30 years old, but it really doesn't sound like a 30-year-old...

Friday · Jul 06, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

@ Gift3d

I have been gaming since ZX-Spectrum days - if that "disqualifies" me from your social circle - I am relieved tbh. I bet you don't even know what a ZX-spectrum is, but thats ancient history to you and as such boring.

Age is not a requirement for politeness and courtesy.

Commander Ryker · Jul 06, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

The internet provides the anonymity needed to be a total ass. Contrary to the ignorant, such as the one I quote below, it's not limited to younger people.

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Kids play video games. That's what they do. Wherever there is a video game, there will be kids.

Now, if you see a 14 year old kid playing a computer game, and an old hairy 40 year old guy playing a video game, which do you think would look less appropriate? The 40 year old guy.

Who are you to judge what is appropriate and what is not? And what exactly does that have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by Friday

@ Gift3dAge is not a requirement for politeness and courtesy.

You're right, it isn't. I wonder how these people would behave if people knew who there were.

Aldric · Jul 06, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Kids play video games. That's what they do. Wherever there is a video game, there will be kids.

Now, if you see a 14 year old kid playing a computer game, and an old hairy 40 year old guy playing a video game, which do you think would look less appropriate? The 40 year old guy.

The GW community, for some unknown reason, is FULL of these people who are 30+ years old spending massive time on Guild Wars.

Why on earth would you ever believe that adults have no place in gaming or that its inappropriate for them to enjoy gaming ?

Kinn · Jul 06, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

It's a combination of a few things. One of them is simply that there's a lot of immaturity here.

A huge proportion of the posters here are kids (< 16 yrs old) whose default reaction to things that challenge their opinion is to take deep personal offense. Most of them will grow out of this stage as the development of social skills becomes more important to their career.

You can get an idea of just how many kids are here just by tallying up the numbre of posters using words such as "ur", "wut", and "lulz" - or the ones that post in huge run-on sentences using no punctuation or capitalisation.

Many adults however, never really properly developed the social skills that allowed them to have a civilised discussion without turning it into an argument, and naturally letting it degenerate into personal insults. There is possibly a correlation between those adults whose social skills are limited in this way, and those that seek escapism by spending a disproportionate amount of time playing computer games.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 06, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Friday

@ Gift3d

I have been gaming since ZX-Spectrum days - if that "disqualifies" me from your social circle - I am relieved tbh. I bet you don't even know what a ZX-spectrum is, but thats ancient history to you and as such boring.

Age is not a requirement for politeness and courtesy.

QFT

Welcome to the club.

Franco Power · Jul 06, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

You guys seem to be forgetting what you were like when you were teenagers, I remember a LOT of hormones and very short temper or mood swings back then, I don't know, maybe I was just bad, but as an adult, it's YOUR job to be the mature one and not involve yourself with vulgar arguements ,specially on the internet, ever heard that saying "Argueing on the internets is like the special olympics, you may win, but you're still retarded". Although, I know that sometimes, these are impossible or hard to avoid, but a strong personality (something a LOT of you lack), security and a good sex life can easily be the key to change you from becoming offended to little things kids do, to not caring at all. Frankly, if you are such an adult, I think it's time you gained atleast 2 of those I mentioned before and others such as: patience, this is one of the things you really only start getting as an adult, most teenagers have no patience for anything, respect and manners: a lot of teenagers don't learn any manners until they get fired from their first job for being rude or simply lacking social skills, most parents these days don't bother teaching these lil things to their children and the schools even less, they are punished? Yes. Are they taught? No.

About the whole, being angry about the guy who said teenagers should be playing games more then adults, I'm sure that's not what he actually meant, and again, being a teenager, he just fails at expressing himself, what he probably meant is, most teenagers have only school to do and then they are free for the rest of the day, most adults have, Work, a wife, kids, a house to take care of, bills to pay, etc, it will probably be more common to see teenagers playing videogames then adults, and although that survey might be right (20-40 is the most common age amonst gamers), that survey only shows people who perhaps bought the game, it doesn't show how often they play it, a teenager might log on 5 days a week after school, and the whole weekend non-stop, I'm sure a adult (one who has a family to take care of anyway) will not be logging on as much, so, games purchases? Perhaps we have the lead, hours played? Probably not.

Anyway, that's it, hope that cleared something up.

Ctb · Jul 06, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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The Guild Wars community is nowhere near the rudest community on the internet.

Which isn't exactly a very fair thing to pit it against. It's a game, it ought to be compared to other games. Of course if you pitch it into the cesspool with places like /b/, Youtube, and the entire alt news tree it's going to shine by comparison.

Compare it to other games - especially other MMOs - and it's a pretty crappy set of people.

Bryant Again · Jul 06, 2008, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Which isn't exactly a very fair thing to pit it against. It's a game, it ought to be compared to other games. Of course if you pitch it into the cesspool with places like /b/, Youtube, and the entire alt news tree it's going to shine by comparison.

Compare it to other games - especially other MMOs - and it's a pretty crappy set of people.

Dunno. I've seen much, much worse gaming communities as well.