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pamelf · Jul 17, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

I think it's ok. You have to be intelligent to use Mesmer properly as a class. It's probably the most difficult to get the hang of in game...and lets face it, Hero AI is FAR from intelligent.

Div · Jul 17, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

I think the fact that the expansion is called GW:EN and that Gwen's a mesmer (and not an ele) should show that they don't discriminate against mesmers.

DarkNecrid · Jul 17, 2008, 09:19 AM // 09:19

last I checked it wasn't discrimination to make stuff have less of something else.

who woulda thunk it.

Holly Herro · Jul 17, 2008, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by pamelf

I think it's ok. You have to be intelligent to use Mesmer properly as a class. It's probably the most difficult to get the hang of in game...and lets face it, Hero AI is FAR more intelligent, than some people ingame.

I fixed it for you [=

Dr.Jones · Jul 17, 2008, 09:27 AM // 09:27

i want
3 Mesmer Heroes
3 Paragon Heroes
3 Ritualist Heroes
3 Assassin Heroes
3 Dervish Heroes

i wish Anet would add in 5 more heroes..... mmmm 3 paras....

BenjZee · Jul 17, 2008, 09:32 AM // 09:32

ACtually they made it so if you bought EOTN you'd have one of every profession as a hero which combined with NF you would have 1 male and 1 female for each profession. However there is 3 of alot of them which probably just because the variety of builds in my opinon
3 monks
1 healer, 1 smiter, 1 protection
3 warriors
1 hammer, 1 sword, 1 axe
..............................sort of

Kula · Jul 17, 2008, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

I really want 4 eles so I can have one of every type (earth, air, water, and fire) instead of having to change one around when I need a different type..!

This is more helpful than a 3rd mes really

Strange Brew · Jul 17, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

I love mesmers and never leave town without one (if it's not a hero, it's a hench). That said, I have all my Norgus set up for Dom and all my Gwens for Illusion and I use whichever is best suited to each area. I don't believe inspiration is a useful line to have on it's own, If I was going to use a third mesmer I'd probably set it up as a rit, a monk or a necro, and that would defeat the object when we already have ample rits, monks and necro heroes.

Redfeather1975 · Jul 17, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Maybe because Inspiration is pointless for all but the odd farming build.
So that only leaves dom and illusion mesmer.
Plus they didn't want the sexah overload potential.

Avarre · Jul 17, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

There's no point in having 3 Mesmer heroes because Mesmers, unlike some other classes, do not get significantly more effective working in numbers. There's a reason most PvP builds have 1, maybe 2 Mesmers. Unless, of course, you're running some sort of PvE gimmick, in which case you don't get to complain that the game isn't letting you.

Anyways, I've had some stuff to say about PvE mesmers.

Gill Halendt · Jul 17, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Norgu is not necessary for any significant mission because it's no mandatory hero. So is Goren, so are Jin, Sousuke, Olias and Zenmai. Oh, and while Norgu and Goren at least have their short spin-off storyline after you've chosen among those (a couple of sidequests), Sousuke and Jin don't even have a relevant role in the whole game. You won't see them in any cinematic after those related to the quests to get them. You could just forget about them completely.

Sure, you can object that we were given two monks in the early stages of the game and no mandatory mesmer hero. Well, when you start a new campaing, such a sofisticated profession is not needed as a monk or a meelee hero could be...

Ate of DK · Jul 17, 2008, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Gwen FTW.

Who says that Anet doesn't like mesmers? One of the most wanted characters to be a hero was Gwen. She's a mesmer... I always bring her in my party.

R.Shayne · Jul 17, 2008, 11:58 AM // 11:58

If you look at Henchmen no Mesmer is in the main story line like, the 4 henchmen in prophecies. No Mesmer henchman appears in all four expansions. The builds henchmen are saddled with has never been something to write home about, the Mesmer henchman looks like someone just started dragging skills down. Add to that the fact the Mesmer profession is a hard class to learn, took me forever to learn to play it because I kept trying to treat it like an elementalist, I think ANET may be having problem with Mesmer like so many players. I don't think ANET knows how to handle the Mesmer which is why we are constantly seeing buff and nerfs to the Mesmer skills.

sixofone · Jul 17, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

If you look at Henchmen no Mesmer is in the main story line like, the 4 henchmen in prophecies. No Mesmer henchman appears in all four expansions. The builds henchmen are saddled with has never been something to write home about, the Mesmer henchman looks like someone just started dragging skills down. Add to that the fact the Mesmer profession is a hard class to learn, took me forever to learn to play it because I kept trying to treat it like an elementalist, I think ANET may be having problem with Mesmer like so many players. I don't think ANET knows how to handle the Mesmer which is why we are constantly seeing buff and nerfs to the Mesmer skills.

Uhm - Lo Sha once you get to the mainland? Odurra? Excellent Mesmer henchies!

I think ANet recognized that having Mesmer heroes would make the game too easy. (Which is why in NF, Norgu comes in after 1/2 the story.)

In EotN, look at all the Me/ primary and secondary mobs there are! So, having Gwen early in EotN makes sense to help off-set all those insane degen and interrupt mobs.

Hero & henchie AI isn't smart, but it's fast. Load up Gwen or Norgu with a few interrupts, some direct damage, and your team can pwn! You really don't need more than 1 or 2.

Frank Dudenstein · Jul 17, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Lets take an objective look at the evidence:

1. Gwen is HOT
2. Gwen has the personality of a pissy little PMSing bitch
3. Norgu is in the closet

Conclusion: Incontrovertible proof that Anet hates mesmers.

Shadowspawn X · Jul 17, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Inger

I don't understand... whats illogical about what I said. If mesmers were required or mandatory for a main part of the game more people would have experience with them. Since they're not required I bet many players have never used a mesmer hero.

Seems as if you haven't bothered to play the game at all. Norgu is mandatory for 3 quests as pointed out earlier in this thread. He is also a central theme in many other Vabbion quests. Gwen is mandatory in three quests as well with "the missing vanguard" quest being a primary and is number two in the hero book. She also is central to the storyline. There are only two mesmer heroes because they only have two attack attributes which are domination and illusion. A third mesmer hero would be redundant because inspiration and fast casting have no viable builds. Try playing the game before you make these crazy accusations.

imnotyourmother · Jul 17, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Is there not some part in Eye of the North that you can play as Gwen? was it not the bonus pack or something like that with the background of gwen? Does anyone do this or what?

Ate of DK · Jul 17, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

Is there not some part in Eye of the North that you can play as Gwen? was it not the bonus pack or something like that with the background of gwen? Does anyone do this or what?

Gwen will become one of your heroes in Eye of the North.
The part you mention is indeed the Mission Bonus Pack.

Lycan Nibbler · Jul 17, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

I cant personally think of a time I'd ever want 3 mesmers, 1 is plenty in a balanced team for me.
I think if there were three there would just have been QQing about useless heros....

**cosyfiep** · Jul 17, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

.... A third mesmer hero would be redundant because inspiration and fast casting have no viable builds. Try playing the game before you make these crazy accusations.

just because YOU have not come up with any decent inspiration builds doesnt mean there arent any...I currently play 3 different mesmers---one dom/interupter, one illusionist and one inspiration build....you must be more creative than just looking at the stupid build forums!