Curse

distilledwill · Jul 16, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I doubt you'll be banned for simply accepting an item for free, but you have to be wary of it I guess. If your friend is giving you a stack of ambraces, it might be advisable not to accept. If hes giving you a gold bronze spear, I don't think you have to worry too much about it.

Oukanna · Jul 16, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Only worry if it is a lot of gold, and stacks of some rare items.

I have traded a tons of golds to people for free, i have even been given a few rare items and ecto.

Also i transfer my gold to storage account so i dont spend it xD (save that for armours)
Not had trouble so far.

I would keep trading gold out of temple of Balth, as thats the breeding ground for gold sellers.

Sjeng · Jul 16, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Some tips:

1- If I trade between my own accounts, or give stuff to friends, I always to it in my guild hall. You can guest invite friends if they're not already in your alliance for a mere 100g. Stay away from Temple of Balthazar.

2- If the trade exceeds 100k, have the other person trade something back. Useless gold items or whatever. You can always just give those items back later.

3- If you still feel unsafe, just make a party with the other person, and type in the team-chat what you're trading and why. Then make a screenshot of the trade with the chat visible. You can always send that in if you do get banned and explain the situation with hard proof.

I've got a big art contest ending soon, with 500k+ in prize money. When I'm handing out the prizes after the contest ends in july, I'll ask the winners to trade me something useless, and invite them to my GH. I'll also tell them in the chat window what they've won for partaking in my competition, which is on guru, AMP and INC. I screen that, and that should be that.

BabyJ · Jul 16, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Ignatius Tremere

Well its a few days since the last post but whatever, I Have received a ban for trading a mere 100k to a friend, It happened last night. He purchased a new account and wanted to flash 100k at some guy, so i zoned to him (Great Temple of Balt) opened trade put in 100k and we both accepted, Less than 30 seconds later he traded the 100k back to me. We both went on our merry ways playing the game. About 20 Mins Later, i get kicked out of the game and when i log back in it says i've been banned for buying gold. Honestly this is EXTREMELY annoying. But other than the lame excuse for submiting a support request there is nothing we can do, so Anet is probably going to rip me off 100k, and not let me play the game for a few days for helping a friend out. I find this very wrong that they can do this and on the support site it plainly says "THERE IS NO APPEALS" So anet can randomly ban you and take gold from you whenever they feel like it. YAYYY, GO ANET.....

All you need to do is contact support and explain the situation and they will more than likely lift your block.
To be quite blunt, thats a pretty poor reason to even trade your friend 100k just so he could flash it to some person in game to make himself look like he has 100k. And honestly I could see why the block took place as your friend has a "new" account and you traded him 100k. A new account that gets 100k traded to them would throw up some flags.

Anyway, Gaile has stated on her wiki page about account to account transfers

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Guy, guys, guys! "Auto-ban = bad choice of words!"

As we've said a lot of times, the rumour of an auto-ban is grossly over-exaggerated. The specifics for any ban or block are a lot more fine-grained than a simplistic "A - B = Ban." It's more like "A + B - (C + D) (E + F + G) - (M + N + (O x XX%) - P) then Ban." (Ok, I made all that up, but still!

) Anyway, all that a "ping" on the preliminary review equations gets is an introduction into the human review list, which all suspected gold sales or purchases receive before a ban takes place. Yes, people do get actioned in error, it's true. We regret that, but it's part of keeping the parameters as close to the edge as we can so as to address the pernicious gold selling issues while doing our best to not cite legitimate players. And the numbers of those who are erroneously actioned are very, very small. Should an error take place, it will be reviewed and amended as quickly as possible. So please, go forth and mule between your accounts with a feeling of confidence, and in the unlikely event that you are somehow nabbed, please let us know and we'll address the concern right away. -- Gaile 18:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, I have 4 accounts that I transfer items and gold around to and I very often give items away just because i don't want the item and someone else might have a use for it. I've never once been blocked or banned for any of it. Take it as you may but I'm not worried about trading things.

The Red Messenger · Jul 16, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

one way to do it without risk of being banned this way is to party with them, go out into an explorable. drop the item on the ground so they can pick it up. the large-onesided-trade-ban cannot trigger if a trade didnt take place...

Sha Noran · Jul 16, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

I love the people who post evidence that the bans don't happen, then immediately reveal that their evidence is insubstantial due to the amounts they were experienced trading versus the kind of amounts that might trigger a ban. No, you're right, no one cares if you trade sums of less than 100k less than every day, and no one cares about a bunch of gold items being traded around, and no one cares about a dozen ecto or a single Armbrace.

The suggestion (and fact, actually...) is that it's possible to receive a ban for trading massive sums of gold to another account without anything in return; it probably flags you at 100k, and just shuts you off at any amount OVER a million, because that's just retarded. There's probably some other nifty variables thrown in, like the age of the account gradually lessening the likelihood of such a ban, stuff like that.

If you're trading those kinds of sums for a legitimate purpose then you're probably quite rich, which means that you're likely relatively experienced and happy with the game; i.e. if you're legit, it probably won't be hard to work out.

bigtime102 · Jul 16, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

If someone gets banned for this, they should go and contact support to explain the situation, getting the person who gave the item to do so as well.

I doubt it's "just because."

What with the plethora of 'hacking' incidents there has been, Anet is probably just being cautious. If they ban the person, and the person comes and explains the situation, along with the second person to back them up if needed, it's not likely a hacker. However if the person that was banned doesn't come forward and try to get their account back, or they lack a proper arguement, it's likely a hacker or they were on the account without permission.

Doesnt work that way, when most people get screwed over be it by anet or a hacker they dont come forward and plead their case. Its like the service industry, the people who complain about problems are a small minority compared to the people who dont say anything and just dont come back. Your philosophy is foolish frankly that does more harm than good.

Kanyatta · Jul 16, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

After being given a 3 day ban for helping a friend transfer items between accounts, I just contacted Anet support and I was unbanned within 4 or 5 hours.

Like other people have said, I would avoid the Great Temple of Balthazar.

jiggles · Jul 16, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

I had a guildie trade me 100k, then 50k then 30k and i wasnt banned. I think youll be pretty safe.

Shakti · Jul 16, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

*shrug* I've given guildies lots of gold items etc. Given away hordes of greenies/unneeded items and pets to new players, transfered cash between my accounts, played mule to my husband while he transfered gold/items and vice versa. Never had a problem.

Of course mistaken bannings happen. From what I've seen, these are rectified in a reasonably quick fashion. They are without doubt a very small minority. How many transfers and give aways occur vs how many bannings vs how many mistaken bannings.

BabyJ · Jul 16, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

I love the people who post evidence that the bans don't happen, then immediately reveal that their evidence is insubstantial due to the amounts they were experienced trading versus the kind of amounts that might trigger a ban. No, you're right, no one cares if you trade sums of less than 100k less than every day, and no one cares about a bunch of gold items being traded around, and no one cares about a dozen ecto or a single Armbrace.

The suggestion (and fact, actually...) is that it's possible to receive a ban for trading massive sums of gold to another account without anything in return; it probably flags you at 100k, and just shuts you off at any amount OVER a million, because that's just retarded. There's probably some other nifty variables thrown in, like the age of the account gradually lessening the likelihood of such a ban, stuff like that.

If you're trading those kinds of sums for a legitimate purpose then you're probably quite rich, which means that you're likely relatively experienced and happy with the game; i.e. if you're legit, it probably won't be hard to work out.

Just an example as for the large sums of trade, and please keep in mind I have 4 accounts. This past dragon festival I took 400k from account 1 and transfered it to account 2, then I take 400k from account 3 and transfer it to account 4. So thats 800k (8 trade windows with 100k each) transfered between 4 accounts and never resulted in a ban. And I didn't trade anything in return between the accounts except the gold. No one know what triggers the flags or bans because quite frankly that would not be a bright idea for Anet to release the info in what triggers these sorts of things. Now I'm not saying that it's fine and dandy to transfer large amounts of gold and not get a ban for it. I'm just saying that was my experience. I've always transfered gold from one account to another without a ban, but I'm not saying it will never happen but if it does I'll contact support as it will be in error, problem will be solved and I'll go on about my business.

Selket · Jul 16, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

traded 181 zkeys between accounts and no problems, so...

**cosyfiep** · Jul 16, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

my husband and I routinely exchange stuff ----HOWEVER, we always make sure that if he gives me something-I give him something as well be it something like a few bones, 5 gold, my minipet wallow----whatever just so we are exchanging and not just giving one way (he usually gives the wallow back...dang thing has been traded so many times it probably has a complex by now).....
and usually they look for larger transactions....so a free dye or tome probably wont do it....but a bunch of gold weapons or lots of plat might set the detector off!
another thing you might do is pull up the chat box with the person you are giving the stuff to and tell them why you are giving the stuff (happy birthday, congrats on legendary survivor, you won this in our guild giveaway etc) and take a screenshot of it---

yes I am paranoid.

Arduin · Jul 16, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

So we only have to wait now before those Gold Sellers start asking you to trade them three bones for their 100k to circumvent the Ban Flagging?

Lord Sojar · Jul 16, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Just remember... if your friend gives you 50mil SWG credits, and then he gives you 255 ectos + 100k in GW, you get banned and they uphold it because that is against the EULA.

^ true story.

Accursed · Jul 17, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Just remember... if your friend gives you 50mil SWG credits, and then he gives you 255 ectos + 100k in GW, you get banned and they uphold it because that is against the EULA.

^ true story.

Lol Rahja. I hope you didn't get banned.

crazybanshee · Jul 17, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

I suspect in like 90% of the cases where someone is crying about being banned for receiving a 'gift' they were simply getting what they paid real money for. There's always that other 10% that was wrongfully banned, and hopefully anet reviews their case and unbans them, but I'm always skeptical when people cry about how someone just randomly gave them 100k or 250 ectos and they got banned unfairly.

ProgTes · Jul 17, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

I randomly gave a friend 300k, and we're both still breathing. So yeah, most of the "I've been banned because I gave someone money"'s are bogus imo and of course it's safe to give away some stuff... it's not like being generous is breaking any rules. If you periodically make trades of large sums of money to other characters, then some alarm bells will go off, but just live by the rule that if you're innocent, nothing will happen. At least not in GW.

Ignatius Tremere · Jul 18, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

No the "I've been banned because i gave someone money" are not bogus, i posted eariler in this thread about getting a temp ban because of a 100k trade to a friend. And Guess what, i opened a trouble ticket with anet, and the politely told me too bad so sad. I mean get real this is a joke, people getting banned when its OBVIOUSLY not a gold purchase, for those who don't want to scroll up, i traded him 100k, he decided he didn't need it and traded it back, all within about 1 min. time frame. 15 mins later i'm temp banned and he's perma banned. Pretty lame in my opinion.

Jenn · Jul 18, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

I've moved millions of gold and hundred of ecto between 2 accounts without any issue. People who say they were banned for that reason are probably only telling you half the story.

Same here.

I've had friends who have been banned for this though, but it's because they were participating in activities that violate the EULA.
That being said, there are probably several accounts of where innocent people got the short end of the stick.