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kratimas · Jul 29, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Well, with GW as a no monthly fee game it has always been one that people can pick up and play then go away and come back again.

So, I am pretty sure that even if GW2 doesn't come out till sometime in 2010 people will buy it and play it if they liked playing GW.

I would rather play another game or just chill out for a while and let the devs create a great new game then get "more of the same" content in GW1. I want GW2 to be the best it can be, not something slapped together because they were busy creating something new in GW1.

Krat

Quaker · Jul 29, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

My 2cents - the only reason why I still play GW is that I haven't found anything else I like. Whether or not I play GW2 depends upon whether or not something else comes along first.

GoodApollo1234 · Jul 29, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

First of all, March of 2009 is a big stretch. It'll probably be late Summer of 2009 at the earliest (still a stretch).

Second of all, I agree with you. Regina is radiating epic fail when it comes to actually talking to the community.

Third, there have been rumors of new content coming in August, so don't uninstall just yet.

Fourth, it's not really Anet's goal to keep 100% of their player base. I mean... think about it. Out of all the people who play GW now, at least 1/3 of them are not planning on buying GW2, so why should Anet care whether they come or go? Anet is interested in revamping their player-base as well as their game, so it's not at the top of their to-do list to please every. Single. Player.

GoodApollo1234 · Jul 29, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Edit: Whoops, double post. Sorry

Nestaron · Jul 29, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

yes, while the guy I said what I said too, was saying that there would not be a beta OR Alpha til 2010 >_>

I already knew that there would be a beta in 2009 at the earliest but NO ONE has mentioned that it defo won't be til 2010

As far as i can see no one in this thread has said it'll definately be out in 2010... It's pure speculation and to be honest... Realistically i can't see it making a 09 release either. You've got to take into consideration that Anet will most likely have various stages of beta testing over the course of a year to make sure the game is in tip top condition to be released. MMORPG's are really fragile games and the slightest bug/error can cause huge problems so Anet will not rush this game after 1 short beta.

VinnyRidira · Jul 29, 2008, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I think that Anet is just currently peddling along with the minimum of effort to keep GW going. The emphasis has been to try and level the PvP with some minor concessions to PvE. Look Bioware made an announcement about their up an coming MMO in 2006 with not extra news until just recent rumours that it was going to be Star Wars based.

'BioWare Corp. Announces New "BioWare Austin" Studio
New Studio Recruiting for Massively Multiplayer Online RPG Project
EDMONTON, Alberta, Canada, March 13, 2006'

Blizzard has announced Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 with wonderful pomp and ceremony (Eat your heart out Elgar). They have a new World of Warcraft expansion coming out shortly too. Blizzard will only bring out the stuff when it is ready and they state as much, but they do feed the fans tit bits.

All I know about GW2 is way over a year ago. A bit like the Bioware MMO, which I suspected had bombed, but maybe not.

I really hope they deliver a good one with GW2, but who knows, time I guess will tell.

Stuart444 · Jul 29, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Personally, in terms of release dates. I have to say that it may be late 09, it may be in 2010, it may be in 2011.

Games take a long time to make, we don't know how far they are into development, for all we know. They could have all the concept art done and just don't plan to show it til later this year or they could still be working on the concept art.

I say we just wait and see, be paitent, go play other games. There is no guy holding a gun at you (Read: No monthly subscription) making you play.

And as for those saying they announced it too early, as others have said, if they didn't announce it. People would be complaining about no new campaigns/expansions anyway. At least we know they are working on a new game instead of wondering why they haven't announced a new campaign/expansion

Fril Estelin · Jul 29, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

I think Anet need to update us on the roadmap to GW2. We know a few things, but it's like a blurred vision of what's going to happen. I get the feeling they're either too risk-avoiding, or waiting to make a big-bang announcement. I'm convinced that GW2 will be at minimum great (if not mind-blowing) but it feels more and more difficult to imagine what the GW2 world will be, with so many players saying they're leaving or left, or won't go into GW2 for this or that reason. I believe in Anet's capability to make a technical feat of the level of GW1 (with streaming updates, instances, etc.), but I'm unsure they're managing their game world in a manner that suits the population. Silence brings doubt which feeds confusion and trolls (if I were a Blizzard boy, I'd surely create threads to make GW players realise that "there's no hope"...).

Or maybe it's the "GWG depression effect"?

Bryant Again · Jul 29, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

ANet isn't looking at a whole lot of competition in the coming years, but rather huge competition. Like, HUGE huge. D3? Oh hell.

All in all, it'll be a while before we see anything. But I can't say I'm really comforted. They'll need a lot in order to keep them persistent servers up.

farmerfez · Jul 29, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I think Anet need to update us on the roadmap to GW2. We know a few things, but it's like a blurred vision of what's going to happen. I get the feeling they're either too risk-avoiding, or waiting to make a big-bang announcement. I'm convinced that GW2 will be at minimum great (if not mind-blowing) but it feels more and more difficult to imagine what the GW2 world will be, with so many players saying they're leaving or left, or won't go into GW2 for this or that reason. I believe in Anet's capability to make a technical feat of the level of GW1 (with streaming updates, instances, etc.), but I'm unsure they're managing their game world in a manner that suits the population. Silence brings doubt which feeds confusion and trolls (if I were a Blizzard boy, I'd surely create threads to make GW players realise that "there's no hope"...).

Or maybe it's the "GWG depression effect"?

Don't worry. All those people saying they wont go to gw2 will because when they see the pretty screenshots and in game videos they'll be like WOH I wana play

KIDGOOCH · Jul 29, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

First one out gets my hard earned dollar D3 or GW2, anyone listening?

cyberjanet · Jul 29, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by bookworm438

Answer to your guild problem: find a new guild.

This is not a thread about which guild to join but about marketing strategy. If you've spent any time in marketing/advertising at all, you should know that consistency is key to success. In the games market, I would guess innovation is fundamental. ANet is failing on both counts. Hence the title of the post, which some people are polite enough to discuss intelligently.

bookworm438 · Jul 29, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Last I checked they were free-to-play, so you can play both you know. Even if you say 'I don't have the time' you can still get both and play D3 one day and GW2 another day.

O Nuxtofulakas · Jul 29, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

I believe we should give Anet all the time they need to develop a great game...
No need for extra pressure and "cmon reveal the most important features now" threads.

If you still like playing the game - like me - keep on doing it.
If you feel bored or i don't know what, then take a break and do whatever you like..this is a game and you should feel happy and relaxed when you enjoy it.

From marketing pov pls allow me to add my 2 cents -actually these are basics but some of us keep on ignoring them...
1) Product in marketing is number 1 priority. If the product called GW2 is crap there is no point of return... So it's logical to invest all the time they need to make sure it will meet customers expectations. Don't push to release it earlier.
2) Competition: I am sure they know better than everyone the competition they face. If they don't plan to release GW2 in the near future, why should they release "vital" game details to competitors so early? The logical reaction should be Anet to monitor what competitors did or plan to do (if they launch earlier than Anet) and counter-attack.
3) "Customers that stop playing": GW seems to be towards the end of it's product life cycle. This means that it is not the best period for "investments" since these "investments" won't bring you back the revenue you expect. If i remember correctly they've already stated that they put all their effort in GW2 and not in updates for GW, so there is no "inconsistency" either.
Also, those who don't play the game anymore, may start playing it again when GW2 is released. So it's false to talk about "lost market share". I believe the objective for Anet is to create a game that will not only sustain current players base but will make it much bigger.

my2cents - i apologise for my english since i am not a native speaker.

upier · Jul 29, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Depends on the answer to the age-old question:
Will I remain a child at heart and continue playing video games?

If yes - then no.
If no - then yes.

Sleeper Service · Jul 29, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

it seems to me that a lot of people are assuming that the other games people are waiting for will all be coming out on time.

they won't you know.

Bryant Again · Jul 29, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

it seems to me that a lot of people are assuming that the other games people are waiting for will all be coming out on time.

they won't you know.

And GW2 will : \?

kratimas · Jul 29, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by GoodApollo1234

Out of all the people who play GW now, at least 1/3 of them are not planning on buying GW2, so why should Anet care whether they come or go? Anet is interested in revamping their player-base as well as their game, so it's not at the top of their to-do list to please every. Single. Player.

Where did you get the number " at least 1/3 of the players now aren’t planning on buying GW2". Is that some crap you pulled out of your ...

Or did you actually ask every single GW player and find that "At least" 1/3 of them aren’t going to purchase GW2?

Just wondering.

Issac · Jul 29, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Well u can't rush perfection, even though it might not be perfect lol. Unless they add a auction house...

Fril Estelin · Jul 29, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by O Nuxtofulakas

I believe we should give Anet all the time they need to develop a great game...
No need for extra pressure and "cmon reveal the most important features now" threads.

If you still like playing the game - like me - keep on doing it.
If you feel bored or i don't know what, then take a break and do whatever you like..this is a game and you should feel happy and relaxed when you enjoy it.

I sincerely agree, but you can't help but fear that servers will be "relatively empty" (look at the small towns in the 3 GW continents atm...). I think that the coming online games/MMOs are so huge (as Bryant said) that people won't feel like playing too many of these in parallel. Look at Blizzard's SC2 and D3, Stargate, Startrek, Warhammer and dozens others. Sure they appeal to different people, but I don't think that GW2 can play in the same sandbox as GW1 given what was said about it (I can't imagine world PvP with few people, or the events to rock the world if only people new to the game attempts them). I'll be on the GW2 without much doubts, given the unequaled value for money (from my point of view of course, I won't try to convince anyone here of this), but I'm unsure if the accumulated history of problems, changes, or lack of changes COMBINED with the huge competition will not make GW2 a less enjoying experience.

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1) Product in marketing is number 1 priority. If the product called GW2 is crap there is no point of return... So it's logical to invest all the time they need to make sure it will meet customers expectations. Don't push to release it earlier.

You forgot the timing, releasing an astounding game too late (or too early) will kill it in its egg before it's become a beautiful bird. Technically I have almost total confidence in Anet, it's not the problem.

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2) Competition: I am sure they know better than everyone the competition they face. If they don't plan to release GW2 in the near future, why should they release "vital" game details to competitors so early? The logical reaction should be Anet to monitor what competitors did or plan to do (if they launch earlier than Anet) and counter-attack.

Competitors are way ahead in terms of game features announced or even demonstrated. Look at the SC2, D3, warhammer videos, they're eye-catching, very impressive and it already looks like a very-well advanced. Even Stargate just released its first combat videos and startrek will launch soon. And I doubt that at this point during a software development a company can say " oh that's a cool feature of GW2, let's put it in our game!".

And I can't believe that they can't release any sort of info, even if it's not about the technical system, art, story or gameplay, but about how well they're progressing, the kind of difficulties they encounter or what alpha testers are saying.

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3) "Customers that stop playing": GW seems to be towards the end of it's product life cycle. This means that it is not the best period for "investments" since these "investments" won't bring you back the revenue you expect. If i remember correctly they've already stated that they put all their effort in GW2 and not in updates for GW, so there is no "inconsistency" either.

You're quite right, a lot of people havfe exhausted what Anet gave us in GW1, if not for HoM and GWAMM. But I'm convinced that there's another investment that should not be underestimated: the one into players' emotional attachment to GW, you can read in the forums that despite the apparent detachment of players from the game, they still care a lot and are hurt for this or that reason (even if they don't play anymore). You can't manage the GW1 community for a while, stop doing it and hope that they'll back on GW2 without any kind of anger at the feeling that they've been left alone. Investing in GW2 is also about investing on a continued relationship with the GW1 players, their support and the transition into the new community management (it's not been a transition, it's alsmot been the silence).

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Also, those who don't play the game anymore, may start playing it again when GW2 is released. So it's false to talk about "lost market share". I believe the objective for Anet is to create a game that will not only sustain current players base but will make it much bigger.

Or they may not. Maybe they'll be so much into other games that they'd have forgotten GW. Or maybe their bad souvenirs of the GW disasters (I know it's a strong word) will make them think "why bother?". Or maybe they'll know that they prefer to pay2play rather than free2play because of tons of reasons.

I know all these things are a matter of relative perception and all of us have different views, I'm not saying I'm more right than anyone else. I'd be SOOO happy to be proven wrong (and as I said, I'll be in GW2 without much doubts...).