Curse

glacialphoenix · Aug 04, 2008, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Agreeing with the 'other methods need a boost'.

LiviDevil · Aug 04, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03

VANITY ITEM!

HFFF is fine as it is, title bestows no overwhelming bonus and kurz/lux titles are not heavily used/exploited. Everyone has that one HFFF crazy friend in a town owning alliance, they can buy the lockpicks for you if you ask nicely.

Moderation is the only thing that will fix the botting, something similar to those horrible typing things necessary (Please type J1nnFlf to enter) for hotmail and other websites.

FFF without the H is a viable option for those who find flagging boring, and the luxon farm does not take overwhelmingly longer.

HFFF is hardly the target of any SF changes that will take effect.

FrAnt1c² · Aug 04, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

It should be nerfed, so that it wouldn't be so easy to do by a bot... ( the persons that actually stood in lutgardis know what I'm talking about, search google and you'll find several bots for HFFF... ) So change the quest a bit so that it's impossible for bots, but still perfectly doable by humans...
I'm suspecting this is the way goldfarmers now farm their cash, as it's so hard to see who's a bot and who's not.

Grand Theft Ecto · Aug 04, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Reading several QQ threads requiring Shadow Form to be nerfed, I'm starting to become worried about the possibility to complete the Kurzick title.

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In these months, I've seen several other legitimate players doing runs, and some of them completed their KOABD.
I've also seen some faction farmers whose behaviour was "suspicious" because they were (and are) doing runs at every hour of the day, despite being already r12 Kurzick.
Those farmers are hated by many players because they gain huge amount of factions for their alliances. Later on, I suggest a solution to this.

So I'm asking A.net to be very careful wih the next SF nerf, and do it in a way that legitimate players like me, who have already invested hundreds of hours in this madness because there are no other playable titles, don't have to see all their efforts destroyed.
A reduction in the duration of SF, that doesn't allow SF to be kept permanently, is acceptable. Before the buff, the duration of SF was enough to allow the HFFF, but not to keep it on all the time.

I repeat, me and other legitimate players spent already hundreds of hours for this title because ther are no other alternatives.
And we did this without using bots, otherwise we could have already completed in 1/10th of the time, like (maybe) other people did.
Please respect the effort of the legitimate players at least.

If you want to nerf the h24 faction farmers, the solution is very simple:
After reaching r12 kurzick, you can no more gain faction from PvE, you can obtain faction only form PvP (AB).

In this way legitimate players who only want the PvE title because there are no other alternatives, will be able to spend their 400 hours planting flags, and say farewell to Lutgardis after that.

Of course, the best solution to avoid HFFF would be the introduction of some other playable titles, but last time I asked for it was the day before party animal (another buyable title LOL) was introduced ...

So you decide to make a QQ thread with suggestions to screw over everyone who already has the title and make life easier for you? Nice, bet Anet will get on it right away.

Its doubtful Anet went through the circus of buffing SF only to nerf it to a state where its worse than it was in the first place.

cthulhu reborn · Aug 04, 2008, 07:33 AM // 07:33

Well HFFF is obviously an exploit that Anet simply havent found important enough. And to be honest, even for an exploit it's not even a quick fix because you still have to do it a crap load of times.
My concern is mostly that AB tends to be crap to do. Exploits aside it's the best way to get faction but with the amount of idiots out there, most days it's hard to enjoy AB because of the blatant stupidity of your own teams.
It's still strange to me that the normal way to get kurzick or luxon factions is basically AB because, well let's be honest, you find luxons and kurzicks on both sides. Anet failed in setting down proper factions and so it's hard to care about joining either on. Funny enough you can be in a luxon guild a build a kurzick title and get kurzick armours and vice versa, but you cannot join AB for both sides from your guild hall. That to me, is the silliest thing of all. They should have either kept kurzicks and luxons separated, so that people actually had to choose, or they should've just left it and let people have neutral guilds that can do both.
Also, it seems to me that in PvE the rewards for hunting faction are nowhere near the rewards for AB. Again strange, because why should PvE players not be able to get faction as fast as AB'ers, why whould they have to take so much longer (exploits aside again). An exploit doesn't make up for that cause I won't enjoy playing the game if I have to do the same 2 minute run hundreds or rather thousands of times.
I noticed this strange sort of thinking in the Lightbringer title also. You can do a single run over and over to get it fast. And so you get 600-800 points in about 20 mins, but when you do an actual quest for the whispers you get like 10 lightbringer points. That is absolutely out of proportion.
And with farming faction it is the same. Variety is the spice of life as they say and it seems that Aner doesn't want you to have variety, well you can do it in various ways of course but you get punished with much lower returns.
Look at the norn point run...same thing. But then there is no such run for asuran or vanguard points...Again all out of proportion. I just wish that Anet allowed for people to farm points in more ways than one without having to take a big cut in rewards. Farming the same thing over and over gets boring.
I never did HFFF and when I look at how it's done I really don't want to do it like that.
But why playing AB gives you at least double of the faction on average than clearing PvE area's in the same amount of time, that I just don't get. It's like Anet says, ok you get these 10 options to achieve this, but only one is actually worth doing, so that way you all end up doing the same thing.

Div · Aug 04, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

plz dun nurf hfff beecuz i aint gut nuthin left if u due its not lik u cant get it wif ab or anyting

MithranArkanere · Aug 04, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Silence!
HFFF is a glitch due to a miscalculated combination of unrelated features.
It must cease to exist!

aapo · Aug 04, 2008, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

doing HFFF to gain faction is what you call ligitimate? lolol, what can i say, you hate those that farm hfff after r12,, i hate all who do HFFF :P

I say remove HFFF from the game and substract all the faction points from players who get faction doing stupid flag placing on maps :P

- Dewd! Flagplacing makes your mighty hero even mightier! +100 armor for more seconds! There's no reason why the hordes of evil should even touch the valiant fighters of the Light! More flagplacing and autopiloting possibilities, please ANET! And PvE skills too! I want to feel I'm the undisputed master of Guild Wars! Buffing Shadow Form will be a good decision. It kind of fits the lore that Assassins are untouchable killers in shadows who assassinate everything in seconds with impunity.

Avarre · Aug 04, 2008, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

Div · Aug 04, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

Bnet needs to sell enigma in the store too

aapo · Aug 04, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

- Yes but I don't have credit card! On the other hand I have lots of spare time for farming FF points due to unemployment.

pumpkin pie · Aug 04, 2008, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

/signed

what a wonderful idea :P lolol

Akaraxle · Aug 04, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

plz dun nurf hfff beecuz i aint gut nuthin left if u due its not lik u cant get it wif ab or anyting

hey divine since ur str flagger u cud try fff 2 get even moar factions dan ab

Numa Pompilius · Aug 04, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

So very /signed.

Esan · Aug 04, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Obviously ANet just needs to sell titles in the store and be done with it.

They do already. Skill Hunter = unlock pack + tomes.

Robbert Monga · Aug 04, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

But why playing AB gives you at least double of the faction on average than clearing PvE area's in the same amount of time, that

I would like to see how you calculated that.

The Little Viking · Aug 04, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

I belive....HFFF was put there on purpose. Not everyone likes AB battles, and I belive the developers thought about that fact when puting everything in place. and they thought (rightly so too) that those that dont like to AB should have an easy way to get the faction just like those that Do like to AB, not be punished for their personal playing style. So you see people that have a maxed title still running it..big deal, are they hurting you in any way? NO they are not. So they make 150g a run...big woopie. Yea there may be bots out there running it, I for one couldnt care less.

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Grinding isn't a playstyle.

Targren · Aug 04, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

I would like to see how you calculated that.

Same. I wonder if it includes the waiting 25-30 "timeouts" between matches.

Ate of DK · Aug 04, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

This should have been nerfed ages ago. If they nerf it now it's a joke. So don't be afraid that the macro-afk-HFFF gets nerfed.