Curse

hurdlebeast · Aug 04, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

To OP: I would have agreed with you on SF if they hadn't nerfed it already. But, they did, and it is now (in my opinion) right where it needs to be power wise. So leave SF alone, because they stopped it from being overly-powerful in the permasin (it's still usable, but now more on the same level as some other builds, ie terra tank for example).

Making AB the only way to gain faction would be semi-viable, BUT there are two things you are forgetting: 1) AB is a joke as far a PvP goes (which is why i love it

) and making it the exclusive way to get post r12 faction would turn it into a pvp elitists' club and 2) as of now, you have to wait 5 mins+ to get into a single game of AB. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. you can get @2,000 faction HFFF in that time that you spend just waiting, plus more for the actual match.

Gun Pierson · Aug 04, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Gimme ma max Kurzick skillz by completing quests like in prophecies.

Remove all titles, emotes and HoM from the game.

Problem solved.

Damian979 · Aug 04, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Titles are useless wastes of time and are nothing but anet's attempt to keep the masses busy with mindless repetition instead of developing actual challenging content.

Glad I could solve your problem.

FireFox · Aug 04, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Ooooooh, you touch my HFFF...

jimme · Aug 04, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I can't really seem to find your problem on the 'after R12 farmers' , Do they hurt you?

Airstu · Aug 04, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

get rid of HFFF and FFF, eliminate all points gained this way and make AB the only way to do this. - this works for me and the epic QQs would be fun as well.

Hyper Cutter · Aug 04, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by crazybanshee

It's been like that for what, 2 years now?

So was Soul Reaping... just saying...

{IceFire} · Aug 04, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

hundreds of hours

GG

filler----------------

Turbobusa · Aug 04, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Being rewarded for exploiting the game (aka mobs not appearing) and being payed at the same time. Yeah totally fine.
Even the jade arena should be nerfed to be lass rewarding than AB. Nuking criminals to death doesn't make you a war hero.

Hailey Anne · Aug 05, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Personally I think all methods of faction farming should be abolished and everyone should AB to earn faction.

*Equips armour & shield with elemental resistance to fire*

Not everyone likes AB. This atleast gives people who dont like running in circles standing on a shrine a different option for being bored.
atleast while being bored with hfff you dont have to listen to idiots.

Shanny · Aug 05, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

How long has Factions and this quest been around and it hasn't been touched? I wouldn't have worried about it but now Regina is probably running around to all her friends about this.

Skyy High · Aug 05, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Damian979

Titles are useless wastes of time and are nothing but anet's attempt to keep the masses busy with mindless repetition instead of developing actual challenging content.

Glad I could solve your problem.

Er...duh, we know. But given that we're not getting anything more challenging, what else are you going to do?

draxynnic · Aug 05, 2008, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by Shanny

How long has Factions and this quest been around and it hasn't been touched? I wouldn't have worried about it but now Regina is probably running around to all her friends about this.

To put it bluntly: With the changes that have been made and foreshadowed in the last few months, it's starting to look like ANet might actually give an engine gored again.

Shadowmoon · Aug 05, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Being rewarded for exploiting the game (aka mobs not appearing) and being payed at the same time. Yeah totally fine.
Even the jade arena should be nerfed to be lass rewarding than AB. Nuking criminals to death doesn't make you a war hero.

While we're at it, remove LDoA from game, death leveling was a exploit as well. also remove the lvl 20 dire pets that were evolved because of death leveling as well.

FrAnt1c² · Aug 05, 2008, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Move the NPC inside lutgardis, in this way players have to take the quest before entering the explorable area, making it much harder as the luxon foes will have spawned already

Turbobusa · Aug 05, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

While we're at it, remove LDoA from game, death leveling was a exploit as well. also remove the lvl 20 dire pets that were evolved because of death leveling as well.

Death lvl-ing isn't really an exploit since mobs react the same as players, gaining XP and being ruled by the same armor level and professions attributes. It kinda makes sense to me.
But exploiting the fact that mobs do not appear to safely do a quest is just...well an exploit since you're supposed to fight your way. LDoA was introduced with no way to attain it and it was players that discovered that death lvling would work.
If there was another way to gain LDoA I would agree but currently, there is none.

Ho and just to point that I don't death level just so kids won't quote me saying "you're saying that because you do death level"

Zapper901 · Aug 05, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Over the past 2 weeks I have been HFFFing many hours every day, gaining about 3 million faction to my title, so 1.5 million donated. For about a week and a half it was not boring, but now it is beginning to become rather dull. I would love it if AB and FA (FA especially, because I like it much more than AB) got buffed in terms of faction gain.

Also, I was never aware of the fact that HFFF used an exploit. I was curious as to why there were no mobs attacking my heros but figured they were just patrolling somewhere else.

I only started doing it because I ran out of other ideas for things to do, I'm not really going for GWAMM, my most titles is 8 on my Monk. I'll probably make it to r9 tommorow (only need to donate 90k faction) and after that I'll probably stop and start playing my Monk, Warrior, Paragon, or Ranger more.

I really don't know why I wrote this, guess I'm just bored, but anyway, I don't really care if they nerf HFFF now, but I would love a buff to FA and AB. It doesn't really make any sense to nerf it now, seeing as it's been around for a long time, but if they do, I won't really care.

Sjeng · Aug 05, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

And you NEED that r6 because...?

because it's there. People want it because they can. Don't ask for a reason, and then say Anet can nerf it because it's not important to you. It is to others, even if it is just a title. Don't take away other peoples goals just cause you don't share them.

[QUOTE]If you want to nerf the h24 faction farmers, the solution is very simple:
After reaching r12 kurzick, you can no more gain faction from PvE, you can obtain faction only form PvP (AB).[/QOUTE]

Brilliant! /signed. but only if having R12 on your account means that you no longer need to get 10k faction for reaching Gyala/Grove with other characters (you are their savior after all).

Abnaxus · Aug 05, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Airstu

get rid of HFFF and FFF, eliminate all points gained this way and make AB the only way to do this. - this works for me and the epic QQs would be fun as well.

Thanks, you gave me the real solution to the problem.

R12 Kurzick/Luxon are purely PvE titles.
Actually, the rewards are PvE-only skills, amber/jadeite, scrolls and gold, all things strictly PvE related, not usable in PvP.
It's exactly the same as LB, SS and EoTN titles.
AB already gives Balthazar points, which are the real PvP rewards.

Therefore, the solution is:

1. remove all points gained via AB, and don't give any more Luxon/Kurzick faction for AB (AB already gives Balthazar, which are PvP);

2. make Luxon/Kurzick faction obtainable ONLY via PvE, exactly like LB/SS and all EOTN titles;

3. remove the repeatable quests;

4. make the titles character related and not account wide;

5. reduce the amount of faction required to max them to a value comparable to EOTN titles.

Thanks to all those who posted asking for nerfs because they gave me the solution!

This would cause really the most epic QQ of all times! Ahahahahahahah

SpiritThief · Aug 05, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

I don't see why they would nerf it now. 2 years everyone had a shot at doing it. They never did anything, taking it away now would cause chaos and its not needed. Besides the title affects NOTHING, nothing at all so why does it even matter?

Changing it now would be pointless, and pure waste of time. It affects nothing, hurts no one.

There are hundreds other things they should change before, they go into FFF.

I support giving out more kruz/lux faction in ab. Half the reason why people FFF is b/c its painfully slow to do it in ab. Hell I bet if someone did their title thru ab only from the very start they still wouldn't be close to max. Unless thats all they did, everyday, all day. Then maybe...