Curse

upier · Sep 07, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Heh I actually like pugging, usually. In fact the only time I don't like pugs is when you get that person from guru that seems to think they know it all and tells you how to play. j/k that person as far as I know probably isn't from guru

Oh hai!
We meet again!

StormDragonZ · Sep 07, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

People, regardless if it's anyone in the community, the developers, ANet HQ or some random person selling their Runescape accounts, have found a way to make a game into something that has nothing to do with gaming in the first place.

You can blame a lack of new content, you can blame people who expect other people to know every finite detail of a quest, mission or dungeon, hell, you could probably blame yourself because you have no self-confidence...

Concise: There isn't a lot of common sense in Guild Wars from any source... that's the problem.

A11Eur0 · Sep 07, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by captain_carter

A) It burns,
B) It is painful.
C) Do not look directly at the Sun, it is a very stupid thing to do.

A) Ok, I will, because as soon as you walk out the door people just run up to to you and say "Hi, want to be friends, let's go to bed together"
B) It's probably illegal for a large percentage of your readers.

Z) It's just a dumb thing to say.

Other than that you may have some reasonable points.

I had to laugh at this post. Not because it is true...but because you're fitting the stereotype that the person you quoted was referring to.

Your second A point: yeah because everyone expects everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
B: But a large percentage of people on this board according to the "see who ya play!" thread are over the legal limit. They're just large hairy basement-dwellers or meek pale-faced marching-band members.

Z: I will agree with this. Life isn't about sex. But sex is a big part of life. And it was just a suggestion.

ZeroMaverick89 · Sep 07, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

[QUOTE=I'm losing interest in it just like I eventually lost interest in my very first love interest, Mario. That's what happens to games.[/QUOTE]

o.O how can you loose interest in Mario???

ok now on topic...yeah i have been playn the game for almost the full three years it has been released and i do own all the games so i have alot ot access and alot to perform...now i am just about strictly PvE because well i cant keep up with the PvP builds and the people that automatically think you should know how to do this or run that at a moments notice, granted its frustrating so i havnt really touched it....now since im strictly PvE there is alot of things i havnt done yet because when i find myself getting bored i just hit up my friends/alliance and see if anyone wants some help...my way of putting it is that im a henchman for higher...think of me as a Non-Playable Person...i even find that its a fun way to "dust" off one of my older characters that i havnt touched in a while bcuz with what they need or want help with...well that characters can fit the field....now my most reason way to improve my fun in the game is that i bought two extra char slots so that i can have one of every main proffession character (on a side note i think makn a pve mesmer is kinda tough) ive even recently been tryn out some new run and farming builds just to see how it works and how interesting it is...so basically guys...look for something to do...dont make something look for you

Now for the IRL stuff...get a job if you dont have one...or if anything get any of your friends together...go buy a bunch of nerf guns and nerf darts....and just let all hell break loose...granted its a kids toy...but shoot eachother a couple times and see how long it takes to stop(speaking from personal fun experience :P) well my other way of just easing my boredom is just going to a low lvl mission or town and just helpn anyone out with just about anything, granted it seems that im broken for the area but atleast im doing something instead of sitting around doing nothing

really what im mostly saying...if your bored and you know it...then get up and do something about it...take your thumb out, wash it off and go make a difference somewhere in or out of game...and i dont mean like save the world and such...not a bad idea though

isamu kurosawa · Sep 07, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Heh I actually like pugging, usually. In fact the only time I don't like pugs is when you get that person from guru that seems to think they know it all and tells you how to play. j/k that person as far as I know probably isn't from guru

Then that is your own personal choice. It wouldn't be much of a choice if everybody did the same now would it?

captain_carter · Sep 07, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I had to laugh at this post. Not because it is true...but because you're fitting the stereotype that the person you quoted was referring to.

Your second A point: yeah because everyone expects everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
B: But a large percentage of people on this board according to the "see who ya play!" thread are over the legal limit. They're just large hairy basement-dwellers or meek pale-faced marching-band members.

Z: I will agree with this. Life isn't about sex. But sex is a big part of life. And it was just a suggestion.

Well I am glad I can make some people laugh.
If you want to use ridiculous stereotypes that's fine by me.

Unfortunately I've never lived in house with a basement, I imagine it would be nice.

I find it slightly concerning that you seem to have something against people with pale skin.

I said that because I really don't see how suggesting people increase their risks of skin cancer and STD's is going to help them. And (disgusting as starting a sentence with and is), silly statements deserve silly replies.

"Oh no, some people don't like being out in the sun very much. Freaks! Stab them!"

explodemyheart · Sep 07, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by ZeroMaverick89

o.O how can you loose interest in Mario???

I should have phrased better. Old, old Mario. Mario in any Wii game is still my man.

hallomik · Sep 07, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

It's a fine line.

The most useful type of forum member is a person who is constantly on the lookout for ways to make the game better and who maintains a good attitude about it.

Sometimes people cross the line and just become critical without providing suggestions for improvement. Too many of those types can be a real turnoff to players - especially those new to the forum.

On the other hand, some people with a good attitude can become blind to things that would make a better game in their defense of the game and the company.

Focus on what can be made better without becoming bitter is the real trick. If you find yourself just doing mindless criticism thing or the mindless cheerleading thing, the OP has some good suggestions about how you could better spend your days. Wear sunglasses when you're out there.

ZeroMaverick89 · Sep 07, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

I should have phrased better. Old, old Mario. Mario in any Wii game is still my man.

dude mario on the NES is still fun...im kinda mad that i dont have a NES lying around to play the game bcuz my copy of it is at my gramma's "in case we ever come over and have nothing to do" T_T

[EDIT] oh and i dont know if everything is with me in on this on but i wanna just throw it out there...there should be an in game NPC to open up the Snowball Fights, Dodgeball Games and the Rollerbeetle Races....personally i htink games need another form of PvP fun rather than just killing eachother....lets make the battlefield more bloody with yellow snowballs in the eye, the word dodgeball imprinted on the other chars face(awsome headpeice now that i think of it) and a daily dose of dust with a side of ketchup (or mayonaise depending one where u live)

captain_carter · Sep 07, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by hallomik

Wear sunglasses when you're out there.

I wish I could afford to.

I have no problem with PUGs, I'll happily PUG when there are other people around who actually want to do what I want to do (as opposed to people who want to do something else but will tell you they want what you want just to get you to join them, then you either fail completely of they just leave).

I find it slightly annoying when a group goes into a mission unprepared, fails, and then quits straight away, surely it would be better to try again learning from what went wrong, on the rare occasions people stay and try to work things out I often find we succeed.

Chthon · Sep 07, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Which problem?

If "the problem" is the problems with PvP balance (or lack thereof), then Izzy is the source of the problem.

If "the problem" is the gawd-awful mess that gets made of PvE every time there's a PvP-oriented change (even after the PvE/PvP Skill Split, see Order of Undeath), then the problem is that Izzy doesn't play much PvE, and doesn't know much about what's going on in high-end PvE, and does really care to find out what's going on in PvE, and yet someone decided that he should be balancing the whole game anyway. You could say that the source of the problem is whoever decided that it's a good idea to have Izzy making changes to PvE blindly.

On a deeper level, the root of all the problems in GW is lazy monster design. Way back in the day, PvE monsters resembled human PvP opponents. (Remember Thirsty River?) Since then, human PvP opponents have grown in sophistication as they've learned more about the game mechanics and have been given more and more skill combos to use; while PvE monsters have remained stupid with poor skillbars, and given ever-increasing stat-pumping to make up for their stupidity and poor builds. The problem is, this state of affairs places two different, and often conflicting, sets of requirements upon the skillset. This sundered GW into 2 games, neither of which could be properly maintained without ruining the other, long before the PvE/PvP Split made it "official."

Not The One · Sep 07, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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(Quote from Jeff Strain) Our plan from here on is to release 2 new campaigns per year; they’ll all be playable together, you can merge them all under one account so that your character has access to all of them. Our plan was never to ship expansions. When we think of expansions, we think of a product that requires the original game in order to play – it has a couple of new monsters, a couple of new playables, quests, missions, and things like that. In terms of the scope of the content, these are very much on par with the original game. So both by nature of the fact that you can play them without the original and also just the share amount of content, they really are full games. So that’s been our model since the beginning, to not charge a subscription fee, but to instead release content on a very regular basis (twice a year). That really gives our player the choice, they can buy what they want when they want, whether they’ve been playing or not.

Without new content this game is just stagnating.I am all for GW2,but to just give up on on the current content is just stupid.A-Net needs to keep the core players who may actually buy GW2 interested untill the release.
The Devs. (or Dev.) have nothing to concentrate on except for smashing everything in sight with the Nerfstick.

SO to answer the OP's question,I blame Jeff Strain. He lies.

captain_carter · Sep 07, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Not The One

Without new content this game is just stagnating.I am all for GW2,but to just give up on on the current content is just stupid.A-Net needs to keep the core players who may actually buy GW2 interested untill the release.
The Devs. (or Dev.) have nothing to concentrate on except for smashing everything in sight with the Nerfstick.

SO to answer the OP's question,I blame Jeff Strain. He lies.

I agree with this, the lack of new campaigns is the problem we have, that was the way things were meant to be and the way that the game stayed interesting and kept people playing, the game doesn't work anywhere near as well without these content additions.

I'd disagree with it being Jeff Strain lying that is the problem, more whoever or whatever made him a liar, which may have been himself I don't know whose decision it was to cease creating new campaigns.

DreamWind · Sep 07, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

It's a game. We are the ones who make it fun or not. If you liked it in the beginning, but don't now, the basics of it haven't changed. You have. Either try to find what made it fun in the first place, or leave the game.

I'm sorry but as a few others have said....this is a load of garbage.

We are not the ones who make it fun or not...the people who make the game are. If they make an amazing fun game I'm going to play it. If they take their amazing fun game and turn it into inbalanced bad mechanic garbage I'm not going to have fun with it anymore. This scenario is EXACTLY what happened to the game.

The basics of Guild Wars have COMPLETELY changed. Like literally a 180 turn. I won't go into the details (because its been layed out heavily in other threads), but basically it isn't me who has changed...it is this game. I can't "try to find it what made it fun in the first place" because what made it fun in the first place no longer exists.

Whos to blame? The entire Anet company? Theres no one single person. All that matters is there is somebody to blame. This isn't a "oh my God hes just a whiner" thing or a "every game dies" thing. Those are both horribly wrong. This game got more crap over time, and people have a right to complain. Plain and simple.

Phaern Majes · Sep 07, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Then that is your own personal choice. It wouldn't be much of a choice if everybody did the same now would it?

Heh well you said "noone" pugs by choice. I know several players that do, or at least did when they played. And no choice in a game is much of choice at all. Its all rather meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by upier

Oh hai!
We meet again!

Lmao!

Age · Sep 07, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

It certianly isn't the community as we didn't give up on GW the Devs. did.It is when they annouced GW2 the day GW went numb.I would say having chapters every 6 months was bad idea evey year would of been better.

The devs could of added some content in between every year much like Prophecies came out with Surrow Furnace the one chapter they got right.It is more of them than us but we wanted auction houses and haistlyist/make up artists.The Devs proved they could buff up players and split skills up.

It was stuff like VoD which they had problems with talking to the community and what they wanted couldn't not find some common ground as well as HA.

Winterclaw · Sep 07, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I blame everyone.

But you have to admit, there are times *cough*[smiters boon]*cough* when it is clear that Izzy is the problem.

Fril Estelin · Sep 07, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

The problem is not a linear and fixed one: problems keep creating problems in a ping-pong fashion. It either starts with some bad game design or implementation from Anet (noone is perfect) or bad mentality/mouth from the players, and slowly the cycle starts. The more advanced the game got, the more people complained because they expected more. The more people complained, the more Anet had to focus on parts of the game, given their limited/controlled resources. The less ressources, the more complaining, and so on.

One way to break the cycle is to admit/realise that GW is a great casual online game/MMO. Play it, enjoy it, have fun and when bored take a break. You don't pay for each month and Anet is still updating and "giving" week-end/holiday events. Put things into perspective.

And break from the GWG effect, some posts are trully great and brilliant, eye-opening and knowledgeable. A lot are at best uninformed opinions, most are not related to play (fewer and fewer people play...). You can easily get a depressive view of the reality if you read GWG the wrong way (not sure about other fansites).

So, all in all, we can't really point the finger at who's responsible for the "we've got a problem" GWG thread. I can only blame myself, or stay silent/play the game/live my life.

"Don't talk if you can't improve on silence"

illidan009 · Sep 07, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by bisurge

I'm just disappointed at how powerful the Dervish is compared to the Paragon. I mean, they load the Paragon with once-good skills, and buff the Dervish's always good skills.

There's hardly any Paragons left. Of course, I'm not saying Paragons are completely bad. R/P is one of the most powerful conditioners in the game, and W/P acts as a powerful ranged damage dealer. But for Paragon primaries, Anthem of Flame is their best attack skill.

Other than that, I don't know why people are complaining so much. I mean, look at the August 16-ish buffs. Nobody was cheering about those, but when WotA was nerfed a little afterwards, everyone was crying. Even in PvP, I saw A/nothing complaining about the nerf; just go /W or /R and get another IAS and critical eye!

Basically, it's human nature. People complain about the bad, and take the good for granted.

You best be trolling. Or not. Have you heard of a thing called IMBAGON?? It's IMBA for a reason you know...

isamu kurosawa · Sep 07, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Heh well you said "noone" pugs by choice. I know several players that do, or at least did when they played. And no choice in a game is much of choice at all. Its all rather meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Misquote ftl.

I seid "People don't pug out of personal choice."

That implies that there are people who choose not to pug, not that absolutly every gw player chooses not to pug.

The fact that you know people that DO choose to pug does not mean that everybody chooses to pug.

If you are going to start a counter-arguement make sure you know what it is about first.