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Ate of DK · Jul 24, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

Now now but I will care about rank when I reach r9. I'm r6 now

You think like that right now. Once you reached it you get a fase where you think: "Dammit, r10 is so much more. I won't go for that". What happens next: You have fun playing HA with your friends and become more and more succesful because you play with the same guys all the time. Then r10 becomes within grasp... you go for it and the process starts all over again when you reached r10 and think about r11.

Snow Bunny · Jul 24, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Oh well, I'll get us back on topic.

Yeah, Rank matters to me.

That glowing animal looks pretty sweet. Despite the fact that it's not really indicative of skill anymore, it is indicative of experience and someone with a tiger or wolf jumping out of their chest will ALWAYS be better than some FOB pve'er displaying his Champion of the Luxons title. I can't stress this enough.

Once every 8 months you will find some kid who RA'd his r1 glad title and actually understands PvP basics but your average person stating that "I'm just as good, I haven't gotten the chance" is not good, nor do they deserve the chance.

They should work for it like thousands of other players had previously, seeing as this game's been out for 3 years and unless you just got an acct today there's no reason you shouldn't have a glowing animal shooting out of your chest on command if you want one.

Most people that could have a /rank emote would have one if they could, but most don't have the patience and aren't willing to expend the effort to get one. Ultimately, this leads to them saying that good pvp players have no life. If you saw what some of these PvPers look like, I'd say they have better lives than you.

In other words, no u.

Gun Pierson · Jul 24, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Obviously in this game, since the possibility of the game lasting very much longer is nil. With increasing interest in e-sports, it would be possible if the game became big enough.

The success of esports in some areas is proof enough at the fact it is sustainable. Once the industry reaches a certain mass, a lot of other avenues open up, which need experienced players: commentators, managers, coaches if it gets that major, and so on.

The fact that this has not been developed is another issue altogether.

I do not believe in the slightest that rank discrimination is the major factor to limiting new players from joining PvP. It contributes, sure, but there are much greater issues like uax, a gigantic learning curve, and the team-play format which makes it difficult to simply play the game.

Yes I agree. Rank discrmination is only a part of the problem, certainy not the major obstacle, but it's the first one I encountered coming from PvE and wanting to play HA. But I understand that, people wanne play and win. I'm halfway to the measely rank 3 now. Lost a lot but if those infuses come out and weapon swaps, good decisions etc., then I'm happy. As long as I see progression it's ok.

I also agree that the learning curve is indeed pretty gigantic. But what do you do when you're low rank? Join or form a low rank team, get a beating more often than not. I'm not complaining, that's just the way things are atm. Get lucky once in a while joining a r4 group, get a win in UW here and there. Maybe the best option is to join an active and experienced PvP guild that wanne take you under their wings.

Avarre · Jul 24, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Maybe the best option is to join an active and experienced PvP guild that wanne take you under their wings.

I got pretty lucky with this. Though really, you don't even need an experienced guild - even a mid-tier guild will be able to raise a new PvP player's skill and awareness a great deal, and help start develop contacts.

It is impossible to overemphasize how important contacts are in getting groups and experience.

Sai Rith · Jul 24, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

This thread is pretty pointless. Look, if you, an unranked players, are as a good as a R8+ player (or claiming to be), then why aren't you R8+? GW has been out for three years.

Trub · Jul 24, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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It is impossible to overemphasize how important contacts are in getting groups and experience.

Avarre the wise speaks the truth.
/rank is nothing, unless you have the skill to perform, and the right people notice you.
Yes, they are watching you in RA-TA-ect.
Scouts are everywhere.
Continue to play your best..and you will be recognized.

Sai Rith · Jul 24, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Trub

Avarre the wise speaks the truth.
/rank is nothing, unless you have the skill to perform, and the right people notice you.
Yes, they are watching you in RA-TA-ect.
Scouts are everywhere.
Continue to play your best..and you will be recognized.

And at least be funny and friendly. No one wants to play with an unfriendly person, no matter how good.

Ate of DK · Jul 24, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Sai Rith

And at least be funny and friendly. No one wants to play with an unfriendly person, no matter how good.

Good point.

If some unranked players talk the same way ingame like they do here on ranked players then I'm not suprised that they are kicked from groups.

It all starts with listening.

Either you start your unranked groups or you show a bit respect for those higher ranked that want to take you along and you do exactly like they say. Why would you join them in the first place when you think they are bad. Just let them feel like you give effort.
Keep the conclusions to yourself.

Don Doggy · Jul 24, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Since I have never played HA and I never will rank means nothing to me.

Kanyatta · Jul 24, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Sai Rith

Look, if you, an unranked players, are as a good as a R8+ player (or claiming to be), then why aren't you R8+? GW has been out for three years.

Because I absolutely abhor HA. I'm almost r4, yet I probably have won Halls more times than the average person who sway'd or ran some other stupid gimmick build to r9. Half of the players I know that are ~r5/r6 and have much more PvP knowledge than any r12+ I've ever met.

Point is, some people don't want to deal with how terribly stupid HA is.

Snow Bunny · Jul 24, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Because I absolutely abhor HA. I'm almost r4, yet I probably have won Halls more times than the average person who sway'd or ran some other stupid gimmick build to r9. Half of the players I know that are ~r5/r6 and have much more PvP knowledge than any r12+ I've ever met.

Point is, some people don't want to deal with how terribly stupid HA is.

Difference is Kanyatta is that you're a GvGer with respectable skill.

Your average r3 is...

someone who sway'd/paid 3k a fame for their bambi.

(btw, I <3 the deer)

Kanyatta · Jul 24, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

(btw, I <3 the deer)

That's why I haven't gone past r3

Bacon Was A Monk · Jul 24, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Yes rank matters. I don't bring anyone under a deer. I have a tiger. Anyone with a deer can at least comprehend this is pvp.

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Kamatsu · Jul 25, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Lets keep the personal insults, the flames and troll's out please. If you have an issue with another user take it to PM. Keep to the topic of the thread please.

pumpkin pie · Jul 25, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

some more weird stuffs I encounter and saw in HA lol needless to open a new thread, i thought i post it here.

Joined a random group, and the leader say to bring any build, so i load one of our guild hammer warrior build, this build you need a team to work, but its has all the attribute in the correct places and I was gonna tweak it from there, then this other players joins, and demand that I ping my build, i told them one sec, but they insist, so, whatever, I ping the half build-build. lol MAN YOUR BUILD SUCK 3 letter A word here.... What the hell, i told you I was not ready but you wanted to see.

then later on, still recruiting, suddenly theres this all caps thing pop up onto the screen, some smart ass players wanting unranked lackey to lick their shoes??? what's up with that?

the first one, i don't know if they are ranked, the second one is. so you know, you get all kind, lolol, i am from now on just gonna laugh at all this stupid thing and play more game.

HawkofStorms · Jul 25, 2008, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Oh well, I'll get us back on topic.

Yeah, Rank matters to me.

That glowing animal looks pretty sweet. Despite the fact that it's not really indicative of skill anymore, it is indicative of experience and someone with a tiger or wolf jumping out of their chest will ALWAYS be better than some FOB pve'er displaying his Champion of the Luxons title. I can't stress this enough.

Strong disagree. I've seen a rank 7 player run clear across the map in PvE, get killed, then wonder why he died. It took him about 5 miniutes for him to realize his entire team was about 8 compass lengths away doing the mission bonus. He proceded to curse us out and spam his emote at us the entire time.

There are LOTS of people who are morons who e-bayed/greifed their way to rank6+, just as there are LOTS of people who e-bayed/greifed their way to get PvE titles.
No title (except champion) really means anything.

Tyla · Jul 25, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57

I think he meant "legitimately earned".

Shaz · Jul 25, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Yes, Rank matter to me. People say you should play game for fun, but other than fun, people play game to achieve/win something also (it's also more fun when you win anyway :P), it's good to have a goal. Rank is something that measure your achievement, how you achieved those rank is another story.

I'm impressed when I see someone with high PvP rank, 8+ Glad (highest is 10 atm), 6+ Champ (highest is 7 or is it 8 atm? idk), and 12+ hero. Of course they could've just ebay it and be totally clueless, but I don't judge anyone until I see them play or play with them.

I do help newer player when I can, but since we're talking about rank meaning, if I pug and have a choice between unrank/low rank vs a high rank player, I'd pick the higher rank player and take a chance that they're are actually good, if not oh well, can always kick afterward.

Snow Bunny · Jul 25, 2008, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Strong disagree. I've seen a rank 7 player run clear across the map in PvE, get killed, then wonder why he died. It took him about 5 miniutes for him to realize his entire team was about 8 compass lengths away doing the mission bonus. He proceded to curse us out and spam his emote at us the entire time.

I was talking about HA, Hawk.

Someone who actually played to get their rank will be better than a non-ranked player with little/no experience.

Zahr Dalsk · Jul 25, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

I judge player skill by talking extensively to people about the game, builds, mechanics, etc.