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Pwny Ride · Oct 04, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by nvmu

The Time is Nigh - Gain the rank of Sunspear captain(500 ss point) or Level 17, very little grinding required

And a Hero Shall Lead Them - req 2500 ss points, not much grinding required

so it seems your point here is that ppl don't want to take the time to do this part of the game? then y are u playing the game, its part of the game deal with it

Its still grind. There should be no compulsory grind.
Im leaving, an account of you being an idiot.
Good day.

Heloniar · Oct 04, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

it seems you're gonna nitpick.

I'm also guessing you're one of the GWAMM crowd that doesn't want a change because that'd help reduce the GWAMM crowd in gw2 just so you can fling around your GWAMM bling and go " LAWLZ you noobs!"

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

it seems you're gonna nitpick.

I'm also guessing you're one of the GWAMM crowd that doesn't want a change because that'd help reduce the GWAMM crowd in gw2 just so you can fling around your GWAMM bling and go " LAWLZ you noobs!"

no i only have 19 maxed titles slowly doing the odd and end vq i have left and cart, and i don't call some1 a noob because they don't have a title, however grinding is part of the GWAMM title, and i have to grind to get more maxed, GWAMM is for the hardcore gamer that feels the need to put in all the time, that is the way it has been it is the way it should continue to be, people are just getting lazy and want everything handed to them, like when people are asking for runs through the game when its their first time going through it

The Lost Explorer · Oct 04, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

when you play mutilple chars through factions and NF its gets annoying getting rank titles on a char that you maxed out alrdy on another. you did it once why should i have to do it again? doing it once isn't bad, yes, but doing 3+ is and thats the grind we want to get rid of, not all of it. when your trying to just play the game not going for titles but being forced to grind to get ahead in the game thats what needs to be fix, Grind is supposed to be a option not mandatory to beat the game no matter how little the grind is IMO

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Its still grind. There should be no compulsory grind.
Im leaving, an account of you being an idiot.
Good day.

If you do all the quests and take all the bounties you will proboly end up 3/5-4/5's of the way to where you need to be any ways

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by The Lost Explorer

when your trying to just play the game not going for titles but being forced to grind to get ahead in the game thats what needs to be fix, Grind is supposed to be a option not mandatory to beat the game no matter how little the grind is IMO

simply solution, remove that requirement from the quest, alot easier than changing titles around

Heloniar · Oct 04, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by nvmu

no i only have 19 maxed titles slowly doing the odd and end vq i have left and cart, and i don't call some1 a noob because they don't have a title, however grinding is part of the GWAMM title, and i have to grind to get more maxed, GWAMM is for the hardcore gamer that feels the need to put in all the time, that is the way it has been it is the way it should continue to be, people are just getting lazy and want everything handed to them, like when people are asking for runs through the game when its their first time going through it

yep, that just proves me right, you may not have the title maxed, but you're of the same mentality. go play wow if you like the grind so much

Konig Des Todes · Oct 04, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by nvmu

lol what God-Like-Imba-PvE-Only Skills are you talking about? none of them are necessary, for the most part the SS PvE Skillscare used for farming, and farming is a form of grinding, after all you would be grinding for cash or a specific item, others would be TNtF, eternal aura, critical agility, and seed of life(which is primarly used or use to be used in farming when you have an obby tank and bonder) which leaves you with 3 ss pve non farming skills

None are necessary, but skills like "Save Yourselves!" "There's Northing to Fear" Pain Invertern "I Am Unstoppable!" etc. are wanted.

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Originally Posted by nvmu

ok.. tell me what title in the game is worth anything?

EN rep titles=rank 5 for armor (easy enough to get tbh), all titles=skills/buffs (most of which can be handled, in NM, with low ranks), the 10k Kurzick/Luxon quests. And...

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Once again you missed the point. In areas of the Nightfall storyline, a rank of title is REQUIRED TO ADVANCE IN THE GAME. Does it have to be spelt out letter for letter?

Its frustrating, really. This is beyond help.

This.

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Originally Posted by nvmu

The Time is Nigh - Gain the rank of Sunspear captain(500 ss point) or Level 17, very little grinding required

And a Hero Shall Lead Them - req 2500 ss points, not much grinding required

so it seems your point here is that ppl don't want to take the time to do this part of the game? then y are u playing the game, its part of the game deal with it

It's easy for Tyrian and Canthan characters, not so much, with no grinding, for Elonan characters. It's not that it's part of the game, it's that it's grinding, because without grinding or major side-quest involvement, it's not fast to do, for the Hero Shall Lead Them quest. It's either mindless grinding, or lots of quests. Sure the quests are not grinding, but some people don't have the time to do enough quests with the low reward points from them.

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lol 10k faction you do know how easy that is right, get the 10k on a dif char, and if it is your first time doing it you should play through the story line anyways,but once again that 10k, here ya go get a guest invite to a lux/kurz guild and ab for it, thats what every1 else has had to do, why change it now?

BECAUSE IT'S GRIND! That's why! And AB is still slow in getting faction, so is FA, and quests take an annoying while as well with each character. Doing these things once is no sweat, doing them multiple times IS!

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Originally Posted by nvmu

no i only have 19 maxed titles slowly doing the odd and end vq i have left and cart, and i don't call some1 a noob because they don't have a title, however grinding is part of the GWAMM title, and i have to grind to get more maxed, GWAMM is for the hardcore gamer that feels the need to put in all the time, that is the way it has been it is the way it should continue to be, people are just getting lazy and want everything handed to them, like when people are asking for runs through the game when its their first time going through it

Grinding is only part of the GWAMM now. It started like that, yes, but it shouldn't always be like that. And what part of doing something a chimpanzee can do is hardcore? Doing the same damn thing over and over is far from "hardcore" or "leet."

All you are saying, nvmu, is basically "lol that's easy" and "lol that's the point" to things that are clearly annoying when on multiple characters and originally was not the point. GWAMM might have always had grind, but GW did not, and GWAMM was not out since GW was, and GW is much more important than GWAMM.

You obviously love grind, so go play other games with grind, because GW was not meant to have grind in it. And if you don't love grind but you want GWAMM to be a challenge, then instead of asking for grind to stay, ask for a way to get the current grind titles through actually playing the game and not doing the same mindless thing over and over.

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Originally Posted by nvmu

simply solution, remove that requirement from the quest, alot easier than changing titles around

But it doesn't solve the problems of the titles themselves. It's the titles, not so much the quests, that are the problem. Should the quests be changed? Yes, but so should the titles.

Until you get out of your grinding mentality, please go play a game with all the grind you want, or take up someone's suggestion earlier in this thread and go work at McDonalds and flip burgers repeatedly.

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

yep, that just proves me right, you may not have the title maxed, but you're of the same mentality. go play wow if you like the grind so much

what mentality, that life is not fair? that people have to earn what they want?? that hard work still means something??? it takes effort to achieve things???? please stop me when i reach the one you are talking about, i could care less if every1 had GWAMM as long as they actually put all the work into it, nothing is handed to people in life, why should it be in gw?
if people have issues with the required grinding to get through the game fine i can agree with that, but why change the titles that there is nothing wrong with when the simplest solution is to remove that part of the quest or alter it to make it less grind required, that i will agree with, but the titles are fine where they are at
its not like you need to have everything done when gw2 comes out, you can transfer achievements to gw2 aslong as gw1 is up, atleast going off of the info we know

Konig Des Todes · Oct 04, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by nvmu

what mentality, that life is not fair? that people have to earn what they want?? that hard work still means something??? it takes effort to achieve things???? please stop me when i reach the one you are talking about, i could care less if every1 had GWAMM as long as they actually put all the work into it, nothing is handed to people in life, why should it be in gw?

You have yet to guess it, keep trying.

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Originally Posted by nvmu

if people have issues with the required grinding to get through the game fine i can agree with that, but why change the titles that there is nothing wrong with when the simplest solution is to remove that part of the quest or alter it to make it less grind required, that i will agree with, but the titles are fine where they are at

You're giving yourself hints here so I won't bother telling you. Your a big boy, figure it out. What you say here, is that you want less grind required, what we want, and what GW was originally about, was little to no grind, at all. Get the difference?

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Originally Posted by nvmu

its not like you need to have everything done when gw2 comes out, you can transfer achievements to gw2 aslong as gw1 is up, atleast going off of the info we know

No you don't, the grinding is optional, by game mechanics (mostly), however, by the community, for PuGs or for self-gratification (for the nerds and people with no lives), it is required.

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Until you get out of your grinding mentality, please go play a game with all the grind you want, or take up someone's suggestion earlier in this thread and go work at McDonalds and flip burgers repeatedly.

i have 1/4th of treasure hunter maxed, and 1/5th of wisdom maxed, i'd love for it to be easily acquired, but when i started going for it knew it would take a while, titles like those are suppose to be hard, same as ale/sweet/party, ect.

as for eotn skills they already made it so the lower end of the skills has more of an effect, and if they are going to keep changing makeing it easier to get max, they might as well move it to a no attribute skill that you can buy at a skill trader so it does max right off of the bat, or make the skills do max when you are rank1 in that title

personaly i do like the fact that skills get higher when you have a higher rank, it makes it worth the grind, point blank they could set the low end to the current max and raise the current max a little bit and ppl would still be QQing over the grind over that little added effect when it would do decent at r1, thats the gw mentality that every1 deserves the same thing

and yes faction ranks are tedious grinds, they could lower it, however that would go back to the gw mentality of every1 deserves the same thing, lets give every1 dragon emotes while we are at it

R_Frost · Oct 04, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

i can care less about GWAMM............i have 10 characters i play, one of each profession. i would of been much further along in wisdom and treasure hunter after 3 years of playing if it was an account wide title. inorder to save money for my 2 main title characters(beyond triple protectors) i decided to not open chests on the other characters. if it was account wide from the day titles were introduced i would of opened chests with everyone and the money i spent getting every character i have 15k armor would of went towards keys to open every chest i came across

Konig Des Todes · Oct 04, 2008, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by nvmu

i have 1/4th of treasure hunter maxed, and 1/5th of wisdom maxed, i'd love for it to be easily acquired, but when i started going for it knew it would take a while, titles like those are suppose to be hard, same as ale/sweet/party, ect.

even if it was account based, which is all anyone is arguing for all 5 of those titles, they'd still be annoying and long.

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Originally Posted by nvmu

as for eotn skills they already made it so the lower end of the skills has more of an effect, and if they are going to keep changing makeing it easier to get max, they might as well move it to a no attribute skill that you can buy at a skill trader so it does max right off of the bat, or make the skills do max when you are rank1 in that title

personaly i do like the fact that skills get higher when you have a higher rank, it makes it worth the grind, point blank they could set the low end to the current max and raise the current max a little bit and ppl would still be QQing over the grind over that little added effect when it would do decent at r1, thats the gw mentality that every1 deserves the same thing

and yes faction ranks are tedious grinds, they could lower it, however that would go back to the gw mentality of every1 deserves the same thing, lets give every1 dragon emotes while we are at it

You're going to the extreme here. Simply making points easier to get is not giving it to everyone. That is part of the grinding mentality me and Heloniar meant, that is, the QQ part of it. You're taking what will be a small issue and turning it into a "omg GW is becoming 100% socialist" while thinking socialism is everyone gets the same things no matter what (which is a common thought of it, along with it being one and the same with communism, and both are wrong, but that's off topic).

Reducing grind is not giving things away, just simply change the grind to be like the Protector titles or something, you do things once and don't have to do it again, but you do multiple things to get the title. Never repeating. This is basically done with quests, but you can do every quest in all the games and for the more annoying grind titles (i.e. Kurzick, Luxon, Wisdom, Treasure Hunter) you won't even be half way, probably not even 1/4 of the way. Add more ways then quests, there are several options out there that is not reducing the numbers or removing the grind completely (that way, those who love to grind, as it seems about 5 people in this thread do, can simply grind while those who hate to grind can do other things).

For Kurzick and Luxon, such suggestions range from raising the faction cap to giving urgoz/Deep 2.5k/5k (NM/HM) faction and a bounty in it. Along with other missions (not as high though) and raising the amount of faction from non-repeatable quests, challenge missions, and AB.

There are ways to keep grind but have things completely obtainable from no grinding at all. So instead of arguing, say what can be done to have both. There will be QQing for that, but then again, there always will be.

It's pointless to argue over something you have no say about, and it's pointless to argue about opinions. And everything both sides of this now pitiful argument has been saying has been more opinionated (and therefore bias and unusable) then fact.

Can we move on now?

Heloniar · Oct 04, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

*slow clap*

Azazel, you're my favorite now

Xx_Sorin_xX · Oct 04, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

I'm not one to favor grinding, but what is the point in maxing titles without a little grind? From a PvE standpoint, I don't see what much else there is to do besides grinding out GWAMM. I mean people can say "high end PvE", but if that's all you do, isn't htat just a different type of grind, with even less of a reward?

Seriously, I get the whole "we hate grind" aspect, but does the alternative have much replay value?

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 05:32 AM // 05:32

1) it ways to late to implement things like that in gw1 life

2) for the length of time urgoz/deep takes it should get faction

3) i'd rather not grind, i find it boring, but grinding and farming are practically the same thing, assuming u could agree with that, seeing in both your repeat things trying to obtain a goal(be it points or cash or items, even if the people reading this can't contemplate that grinding and farming are essentially the same things they are, so deal with it) so if they are going to fix one they should delay the update and then fix both at the same time, can we agree on that?

4) not trying to sound like a complete a$$, however whenever anet trys to fix something they end up wreaking something else which depending upon lvl of intensity will be fixed in an update the next day or next week

5) besides stuff that really needs to be fixed and events and content that has to deal with gw2 (HoM) they should leave it alone, and just improve it in gw2 so that game doesn't have to go through all these changes

6) titles are suppose to be hard to earn, and if you are not willing to put in the work that person doesn't deserve to have it (however i do see how having multiple chars that you are trying to get a rep title on is tedious, however that is why you have a main and get them on the others only if necessary)

7) lastly games are suppose to be challenging or they would be no fun to play

The Lost Explorer · Oct 04, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

but theres a difference between being hard to achive and being long to achive. grinding isn't hard just boring and time consuming.

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by The Lost Explorer

grinding isn't hard just boring and time consuming.

point taken, boreing it is lol

however to an extent having something take a long time and being tedious does make it hard to achieve

The Lost Explorer · Oct 04, 2008, 06:20 AM // 06:20

It still wouldn't be hard, anyone can FFF and Farm the points it just you should have a better system then going out killing the same thing over and over. like adding more reward points to quests rather then just a mere 100 points gain for a quest that took 30 mins

Wrath of m0o · Oct 04, 2008, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Heck.. I would be happy with just being able to open chests on all my characters, instead of just being able to open chests and identify items with my main character, it really keeps me from playing the rest of my characters.