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legacyofkain85 · Oct 03, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Tramp

Making titles easier to get would be stupid. Why dont they just make everyone GWAMM and make the titles pointless. .

Get overyourself titles are already pointless

Heloniar · Oct 03, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

nevertheless, i believe all grind based titles(as in rep grinds, 10k chests, 1 mil zashien, etc) are going account wide, and only "achievement titles" will remain character based such as guardian, vanquisher, carto, survivor/ldoa and those are 16 titles all together which is half of the gwamm requirements..

nvmu · Oct 03, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

nevertheless, i believe all grind based titles(as in rep grinds, 10k chests, 1 mil zashien, etc) are going account wide, and only "achievement titles" will remain character based such as guardian, vanquisher, carto, survivor/ldoa and those are 16 titles all together which is half of the gwamm requirements..

er... Z title is account based, and with ursan being nerfed there is no reason to grind out norn title anymore, unless you use i am unstoppable, which would be basically runners. And there where really no skills used much in other ranks that make it so you need to grind the other reps to max, well unless you use cryway, which idk does any1 use that anymore? Even so that is for elite areas as far as i am aware of, and most casually gamers don't do elite areas. So if you are not a casual gamer most likely you have the time to do it. And for eotn rep titles specifically, use hm hero books to max it, hm hero books are not hard to do and don't take long. So this all basically comes down to people who would rather QQ over it then take the time to do it.

Ate of DK · Oct 03, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy

Uh, who the hell ever said you would need to grind out GWAMM for GW2? O_o Even if you did, titles still do not mean anything. At all.

Besides, it'd most likely be "Full HoM ---> Special Whatever", and you do not need GWAMM to get a full HoM.

That was my point, nobody knows if it's yes or no. It looks like everyone thinks that you need GWAMM in your hall of monuments to get some kind of rewards.

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

That's not even People Know Me. And there would still be grinding. If you want to get GWAMM, even if you do every non-PvP Grinding title (which would be Kurzick, Luxon, Lucky, Unlucky, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Dwarven, Vanguard, Asura) You only have 14 titles.

I have a different look on how people play to get GWAMM. I assume that people have a main character and 2nd grade characters that have done quite some stuff as well and sometimes become mules. Most also play some sort of PvP and earn Zaishen Keys that can be sold for 5K each in the Great Temple districts.

Maxing account based titles you mention just help when most do the following anyway:

People start playing GW and the easiest titles by just playing are:
+1 Legendary Survivor
+4 Legendary Skill Hunter
+3 Legendary Protector
+4 Legendary Cartographer
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=12

That's over 10 titles for just playing the game at normal mode and no grinding. Elite Tomes make sure you don't even have to visit every boss. But capturing the skills might be cheaper.
Ofcourse the game is time consuming but when you like the game then you might want to complete everything (Missions/Bonusses and all quests)

Then you start playing Hard Mode when you want more challange:
+4 Legendary Guardian
+4 Legendary Vanquisher
+1 Master of the North
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=21

More and more people are starting to play HM and once said they would never play HM. That's 20 titles without grinding. Achievable by teaming up with guildies for some fun or with heroes and henchman because you love to solo. But this is time consuming, but you're playing, not grinding.

Since you're halfway most grinding titles and wait for a double reputation weekend to do some grinding:
+1 Lightbringer
+1 Sunspear
+1 Asura
+1 Norn
+1 Vanguard
+1 Delver
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=27

We've seen several double reputation point weekends that filled outposts with people that have the same goal. I still remember the last SS/LB weekend (Early January 2008) that earned almost 65.000 minutes of favor. Killing the Great Destroyer in HM gives 15.000 points I think.

To end the wall of text:
I wish they make GWAMM just as rare as a Legendary Hero (maybe 10 others besides Starcraft have it when GW2 gets released?) or a Legendary Champion (which most likely nobody will have when GW2 gets released, I think Stop Flaming gets close to R9?)

Heloniar · Oct 03, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

good points there ATE, however, do you think doing it once is good enough, or to use certain builds at max efficency, you got to grind at least 1 or3 titles for each character you want to play ..

meh I jus thope the changes will be in our favor, and not necessarily the QQers that already acheived their gwamm

Ate of DK · Oct 03, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

good points there ATE, however, do you think doing it once is good enough, or to use certain builds at max efficency, you got to grind at least 1 or3 titles for each character you want to play ..

meh I jus thope the changes will be in our favor, and not necessarily the QQers that already acheived their gwamm

Thanks Helarion. I think people have an option on how to achieve their rewards for GW2:

1. You max out a single character for the Hall of Monuments. Thus, you have a primairy character that you love above everything else.

2. The Hall of Monuments will count every title account based. Meaning you could max Treasure Hunter on your Ranger and farm Asura points on your Assassin. Play Nightfall with your Paragon and Prophecies with a monk only. From what I understood from the dev. notes. Every character can put the statue up and show off.

HawkofStorms · Oct 03, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Well, since this is HORRIBILY off track from what a.net is actually doing and is now just our suggestions...

Mine would be to add a sort of easier way to gain the title after its already been maxed once.

Ie, if my main, my ele, gets rank 10 asura, then all my other characters should get a multiplier (just to asura) to make getting to rank 10 asura easier. The more characters who get the title, the less grind it will require.

nvmu · Oct 03, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Well, since this is HORRIBILY off track from what a.net is actually doing and is now just our suggestions...

Mine would be to add a sort of easier way to gain the title after its already been maxed once.

Ie, if my main, my ele, gets rank 10 asura, then all my other characters should get a multiplier (just to asura) to make getting to rank 10 asura easier. The more characters who get the title, the less grind it will require.

why would you need a maxed rep title on a dif character, and once again hm hero books are not that hard to do, that's a rank alone, more if you are in the low ranks when you do it

Heloniar · Oct 03, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by nvmu

why would you need a maxed rep title on a dif character, and once again hm hero books are not that hard to do, that's a rank alone, more if you are in the low ranks when you do it

problem is, it's not JUST EOTN rep :P

nvmu · Oct 03, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

problem is, it's not JUST EOTN rep :P

Well what is it then? SS/LB? thats a joke to get maxed, i'm a necro i maxed my LB title trapping veil, and it was decent drops, mind you that was also when stygian gems where 1k each, and for SS you could always try to play the game instead of getting ran places, vanq for ss points or just go do the ss/lb runs, there that covers all your non eotn rep points, and if your are including faction rep in there, well thats just a joke, skills are the same on both sides so just change to kurz and fff, or ab on which ever side you are on (only takes 500 10k(or 1000 at 5k) alliance faction donations to max the title)

Konig Des Todes · Oct 03, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

I have a different look on how people play to get GWAMM. I assume that people have a main character and 2nd grade characters that have done quite some stuff as well and sometimes become mules. Most also play some sort of PvP and earn Zaishen Keys that can be sold for 5K each in the Great Temple districts.

take our the Zaishen part, and you got me, so I know what your talking about.

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

-snip wall of text on title gaining-

Trust me when I say, I know what your talking about

. You are saying, word for word, what my sin is doing (and maybe necromancer afterwards, atm I'm just capping all the next elites I pass and getting Protectors, and as much cartography as possible).

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

To end the wall of text:
I wish they make GWAMM just as rare as a Legendary Hero (maybe 10 others besides Starcraft have it when GW2 gets released?) or a Legendary Champion (which most likely nobody will have when GW2 gets released, I think Stop Flaming gets close to R9?)

I understand this, and I am not pro-making it easier. But I want to reduce the grind. You still have the hardest part to do, HM. HM isn't that hard, but it's harder then grinding (unless your like me who cannot stand repeating the same thing over... and over... and over, etc. etc.).

It is for this reason why I suggest adding a rank 7 (The Legend of <Character Name>, or if that name is hard to program because it would be different for each person, just simply "The Legend," Both ideas fit with Anchorman, as it is a copy from The Legend of Ron Burgundy).

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Originally Posted by nvmu

Well what is it then? SS/LB? thats a joke to get maxed, i'm a necro i maxed my LB title trapping veil, and it was decent drops, mind you that was also when stygian gems where 1k each, and for SS you could always try to play the game instead of getting ran places, vanq for ss points or just go do the ss/lb runs, there that covers all your non eotn rep points, and if your are including faction rep in there, well thats just a joke, skills are the same on both sides so just change to kurz and fff, or ab on which ever side you are on (only takes 500 10k(or 1000 at 5k) alliance faction donations to max the title)

Are they a joke? Doing once, yes. Are they a joke doing several times? Nope, just annoying. Not every character will be vanquishing, so that option is out the window basically. And not everyone likes to do the same runs over and over again, which is what grind is, and why these titles are disliked. Yes there are easy ways to max the titles on ONE character, but lets say 5 characters. That is annoyingly boring, and is the problem.

And if you ask why people would want them on multiple characters, I will just say one thing:

God-Like-Imba-PvE-Only Skills.

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

And if you ask why people would want them on multiple characters, I will just say one thing:

God-Like-Imba-PvE-Only Skills.

lol what God-Like-Imba-PvE-Only Skills are you talking about? none of them are necessary, for the most part the SS PvE Skillscare used for farming, and farming is a form of grinding, after all you would be grinding for cash or a specific item, others would be TNtF, eternal aura, critical agility, and seed of life(which is primarly used or use to be used in farming when you have an obby tank and bonder) which leaves you with 3 ss pve non farming skills

HawkofStorms · Oct 04, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

I'm just saying there are ways to reduce the grind without getting rid of it completely.

It doesn't matter about the skills or the titles or any of that... that just goes against the spirit of the game.

And since when have any titles anywhere meant anything.

Bah, I should have learned that there is no meaningful discussion after a thread reaches page 4 a long time ago.

Pwny Ride · Oct 04, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by nvmu

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You're completely going off track here. Sure, none of the PvE skills are 'necessary' but in alot of cases, if not all, the TITLES THEMSELVES are.

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

You're completely going off track here. Sure, none of the PvE skills are 'necessary' but in alot of cases, if not all, the TITLES THEMSELVES are.

ok.. tell me what title in the game is worth anything? a person can h/h 95+% of the stuff in this game with or without titles, and the titles only mean something because of the skills/bonuses behind them, eotn titles only provide bonuses in select areas, so if u can deal without them in the others i guess they are not needed at all, ss has no bonuses besides skills, lb is good for what doa?

so once again how are titles 'necessary'? only groups that ever required ranks on titles was pugs, and an easy solution to that is go with guild or friends, and this thread was mostly about changing grind titles to account based or making them easier to reach, however if the skills they provide mean nothing then the titles their selfs and the limited bonuses mean virtually nothing, so once again leave the titles where they are at, its not going to kill any1, it has worked up to this point, it will work just fine the way it is after this point

Pwny Ride · Oct 04, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by nvmu

ok.. tell me what title in the game is worth anything? a person can h/h 95+% of the stuff in this game with or without titles, and the titles only mean something because of the skills/bonuses behind them, eotn titles only provide bonuses in select areas, so if u can deal without them in the others i guess they are not needed at all, ss has no bonuses besides skills, lb is good for what doa?

Once again you missed the point. In areas of the Nightfall storyline, a rank of title is REQUIRED TO ADVANCE IN THE GAME. Does it have to be spelt out letter for letter?

Its frustrating, really. This is beyond help.

Heloniar · Oct 04, 2008, 01:39 AM // 01:39

R7 SS is needed to progress past the SS sancturary quest,

max LB is necessary for getting masters in certain missions >.> not to mention DOA.

10k faction is needed to do both sides of Factions, kurz and lux, that comes out to 20k worth of grinding.

so, NECESSARY? yep it is

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Once again you missed the point. In areas of the Nightfall storyline, a rank of title is REQUIRED TO ADVANCE IN THE GAME. Does it have to be spelt out letter for letter?

Its frustrating, really. This is beyond help.

The Time is Nigh - Gain the rank of Sunspear captain(500 ss point) or Level 17, very little grinding required

And a Hero Shall Lead Them - req 2500 ss points, not much grinding required

so it seems your point here is that ppl don't want to take the time to do this part of the game? then y are u playing the game, its part of the game deal with it

Heloniar · Oct 04, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

how many characters do you play? after the 3rd toon i got through NF, I had enough pretty much.

nvmu · Oct 04, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

R7 SS is needed to progress past the SS sancturary quest,

max LB is necessary for getting masters in certain missions >.> not to mention DOA.

10k faction is needed to do both sides of Factions, kurz and lux, that comes out to 20k worth of grinding.

so, NECESSARY? yep it is

lol 10k faction you do know how easy that is right, get the 10k on a dif char, and if it is your first time doing it you should play through the story line anyways,but once again that 10k, here ya go get a guest invite to a lux/kurz guild and ab for it, thats what every1 else has had to do, why change it now?