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SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

lmfao, since when is standing around for a million hours "working for a title?" It won't be given to you, no matter what. Botting HFFF is Not working for the title. I don't get why you want to grind. You're just wasting your time. And the titles won't be given to us, so you can stop with that argument. It will just be easier, instead of wasting a full month on a single title, it will be a week, and that would be with constant grinding. That's how I see it at least.

You're argument is just as flawed as your want to grind titles. Grind=/=work, Grind=/=Brainkilling. The Achievement titles, which are, imo, the best titles, are work and will not get touched (more then likely).

If they do make the achievement titles easier (and I really don't know how to do that other then reduce the amount/strength of monsters), I will probably actually stop playing GW except for holidays and good weekend events.

Grinding is part of a mmorpg.... Gw2 is going to be mostly titles and stuff titles are going to play a big part in it. Think they said that lvl cap is going to be alot higher for the people who are going to like grinding... my point is some titles should not be messed with and some should hopefully they make corrections to the ones that should need it and keep the ones that actually take work and leave it alone. If you dont have time for ranking out a title maybe you shouldnt even try... (( I dont know what day gw2 is going to be coming out I do know that beta takes awhile getting out the glitches thats why I said that lol...))

therangereminem · Oct 02, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

i cant give me sources nmy allince knows i cant do that either, i have told my allince alot of things and have always been write i hav been telling them that grind title for pve and pvp tiles are going to be changed for about 2 months, and now that more have found out that there is going ot be somethign changed

allyou can do is hope and pray , my allince knows a littl e bit more info theni will tell you guys you can belive or not but why not hope

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Grinding is part of a mmorpg.... Gw2 is going to be mostly titles and stuff titles are going to play a big part in it. Think they said that lvl cap is going to be alot higher for the people who are going to like grinding... my point is some titles should not be messed with and some should hopefully they make corrections to the ones that should need it and keep the ones that actually take work and leave it alone. If you dont have time for ranking out a title maybe you shouldnt even try... (( I dont know what day gw2 is going to be coming out I do know that beta takes awhile getting out the glitches thats why I said that lol...))

GW, according to ANet, is not a MMORPG. GW was meant to have no grinding when it first came out (I say, yet again) and it is meant to be different from other Online games. The level cap was not raised for people who like grinding, it is (as far as we know) considered being raised because people didn't like the low level cap (not because they wanted to grind, but because they thought lvl 20 was too low). You are right when you say some titles should not be "messed with," but grinding titles are titles that should be "messed with." And the titles, in GW's standards, that need to be fixed are the titles that require grinding.

If you like grinding, honestly, you are playing the wrong game. GW might be full of grinding now, but it wasn't intended originally to be, and by the looks of things, it's going back to no/little grinding. GW2, it's hard to say. But GW2 is not GW1.

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

i cant give me sources nmy allince knows i cant do that either, i have told my allince alot of things and have always been write i hav been telling them that grind title for pve and pvp tiles are going to be changed for about 2 months, and now that more have found out that there is going ot be somethign changed

allyou can do is hope and pray , my allince knows a littl e bit more info theni will tell you guys you can belive or not but why not hope

So... wait, your a fortune teller? You guess things and have been right before, so now your saying things and saying you will be right... You make little sense honestly. Meh.

TurinPT · Oct 02, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

People keep referring to grinding as a pejorative term, you need to realize that part of the population actually enjoys it.

They paid for the game just like you, why should they not be allowed to have fun?
Let pve'ers have grinding, its not like anyone is forcing you to do it.

lordheinous · Oct 02, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Grinding is part of a mmorpg.... Gw2 is going to be mostly titles and stuff titles are going to play a big part in it. Think they said that lvl cap is going to be alot higher for the people who are going to like grinding... my point is some titles should not be messed with and some should hopefully they make corrections to the ones that should need it and keep the ones that actually take work and leave it alone. If you dont have time for ranking out a title maybe you shouldnt even try... (( I dont know what day gw2 is going to be coming out I do know that beta takes awhile getting out the glitches thats why I said that lol...))

If you really like grinding that much, I have a great prospect for you: McDonald's. You can do as much repetitive, boring work as you want, and you get payed for the privilege! What a deal! Meanwhile, leave gw for those who'd rather spend their playing time achieving, improving, and, of course, PLAYING, rather than spending dozens of hours in order to even begin those activities.

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

GW, according to ANet, is not a MMORPG. GW was meant to have no grinding when it first came out (I say, yet again) and it is meant to be different from other Online games. The level cap was not raised for people who like grinding, it is (as far as we know) considered being raised because people didn't like the low level cap (not because they wanted to grind, but because they thought lvl 20 was too low). You are right when you say some titles should not be "messed with," but grinding titles are titles that should be "messed with." And the titles, in GW's standards, that need to be fixed are the titles that require grinding.

If you like grinding, honestly, you are playing the wrong game. GW might be full of grinding now, but it wasn't intended originally to be, and by the looks of things, it's going back to no/little grinding. GW2, it's hard to say. But GW2 is not GW1.

You are right the game itself is not suppose to have grinding and it DOESNT lol heh... But the titles are just fun stuff basically except for a seletced few like the ones in gwen that are suppose to give you armor the treasure hunter. but why make something easier when you are suppose to work for something. Lets take the hoh title if they made that easier and the gladitor no one will do it people do it cause its sorta like prestige its like i accomplised this and if you make it easier really takes the meaning out of a title. Its suppose to show what intrests you show in the game. And people are suppose to see them if one takes time just makes it more fun I guess

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by TurinPT

People keep referring to grinding as a pejorative term, you need to realize that part of the population actually enjoys it.

They paid for the game just like you, why should they not be allowed to have fun?
Let pve'ers have grinding, its not like anyone is forcing you to do it.

Not saying that grinding is 100% hated, as SlipknotOFA has proven. However, GW was made to be a game different from other online games, that is, grind free (among other things), recently *since NF* it has fallen from that aspect. Now they are fixing it, so people who like grinding shouldn't be QQ'ing about returning to the good ol' days oh so many more people enjoyed.

If you, or others, like grinding, like I said, GW is the wrong game.

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

You are right the game itself is not suppose to have grinding and it DOESNT lol heh... But the titles are just fun stuff basically except for a seletced few like the ones in gwen that are suppose to give you armor the treasure hunter. but why make something easier when you are suppose to work for something. Lets take the hoh title if they made that easier and the gladitor no one will do it people do it cause its sorta like prestige its like i accomplised this and if you make it easier really takes the meaning out of a title. Its suppose to show what intrests you show in the game. And people are suppose to see them if one takes time just makes it more fun I guess

The titles are the grinding. Like I said, grinding is not really work, it's boredom. If your only mad that people get benefits from getting high ranks, and now those ranks will be a little easier to get, why not instead of QQ'ing suggest raising the req for the armor and whatnot.

The Hero title is a poor example to use with me, I hate it and want the emote eliminated, same for Zaishen. The title itself is grind as well, and not worth it imo. But people like PvP, and most people who want the title don't grind, they play the matches, those who want the emotes grind.

Prestige was also something that was not originally intended for the game, but ANet added that, and now they are fixing that by making them not as prestigous. Again, they are fixing things that they messed up with *that is, imo, but they are still going back*. If you like prestige, and if you like grind, GW isn't the game for you, in terms of gameplay. Not telling you to gtfo, just saying that you're arguing for the continuation of something that should never have been there.

If titles are only to show what interests you in the game, you might as well just say "get rid of all the benefits" because it is the benefits that cause people to grind. Without the benefits, people will not grind, and then we will see who is truly interested in grind.

People want the benefits and prestige in order to say "haha I'm better then you" and increase their e-peen. That is why such things shouldn't be allowed. And grind, I'm guessing, was put in to make the prestige not so desirable to most people, to make a little less e-peen, but that didn't work, so now they are making money easy to get and grinding gone, which will effectivly remove prestige.

And imo, that is a good thing. And like I said, that was the original intent of GW, before titles, before Elite Armors, before the Battle Isles. At a time I can only read about, cannot even remember because I was late on joining in the GW party.

And if you want to grind and if you want to get prestige to show off a e-peen, then, once more I say, you are playing the wrong game.

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Not saying that grinding is 100% hated, as SlipknotOFA has proven. However, GW was made to be a game different from other online games, that is, grind free (among other things), recently *since NF* it has fallen from that aspect. Now they are fixing it, so people who like grinding shouldn't be QQ'ing about returning to the good ol' days oh so many more people enjoyed.

If you, or others, like grinding, like I said, GW is the wrong game.

The titles are the grinding. Like I said, grinding is not really work, it's boredom. If your only mad that people get benefits from getting high ranks, and now those ranks will be a little easier to get, why not instead of QQ'ing suggest raising the req for the armor and whatnot.

The Hero title is a poor example to use with me, I hate it and want the emote eliminated, same for Zaishen. The title itself is grind as well, and not worth it imo. But people like PvP, and most people who want the title don't grind, they play the matches, those who want the emotes grind.

Prestige was also something that was not originally intended for the game, but ANet added that, and now they are fixing that by making them not as prestigous. Again, they are fixing things that they messed up with *that is, imo, but they are still going back*. If you like prestige, and if you like grind, GW isn't the game for you, in terms of gameplay. Not telling you to gtfo, just saying that you're arguing for the continuation of something that should never have been there.

If titles are only to show what interests you in the game, you might as well just say "get rid of all the benefits" because it is the benefits that cause people to grind. Without the benefits, people will not grind, and then we will see who is truly interested in grind.

People want the benefits and prestige in order to say "haha I'm better then you" and increase their e-peen. That is why such things shouldn't be allowed. And grind, I'm guessing, was put in to make the prestige not so desirable to most people, to make a little less e-peen, but that didn't work, so now they are making money easy to get and grinding gone, which will effectivly remove prestige.

And imo, that is a good thing. And like I said, that was the original intent of GW, before titles, before Elite Armors, before the Battle Isles. At a time I can only read about, cannot even remember because I was late on joining in the GW party.

And if you want to grind and if you want to get prestige to show off a e-peen, then, once more I say, you are playing the wrong game.

Isnt gw2 going to be having a tons of titles and the whole point of working on the titles is suppose to be for gw2??? sounds like they are going to be having the titles again in gw2 and you are going to be in a world of pain when it comes out lol... I think they are just going to make drunkard and sweet tooth and wisdom the big ones and leave everything else alone. You would be really mad if they had pking and ksing since its not going to be a stand alone server lol..... I think they are trying to make everyone happy and adding stuff that everyone will like. Gw has been out quite awhile they added new stuff for everyone to like. If grinding and actually work for a title is something you dont like maybe you shouldnt do it. Sounds like you are living in the past this is the present.

HawkofStorms · Oct 02, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by lordheinous

If you really like grinding that much, I have a great prospect for you: McDonald's. You can do as much repetitive, boring work as you want, and you get payed for the privilege! What a deal! Meanwhile, leave gw for those who'd rather spend their playing time achieving, improving, and, of course, PLAYING, rather than spending dozens of hours in order to even begin those activities.

LOL! All sorts of win.

And yes, grinding for titles in GW1 just for GW2 is stupid since you will probablly just be grinding in GW2 for GW3... etc etc etc

A11Eur0 · Oct 02, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

i cant give me sources nmy allince knows i cant do that either, i have told my allince alot of things and have always been write i hav been telling them that grind title for pve and pvp tiles are going to be changed for about 2 months, and now that more have found out that there is going ot be somethign changed

allyou can do is hope and pray , my allince knows a littl e bit more info theni will tell you guys you can belive or not but why not hope

This guy has been spouting this same unintelligible crap since he joined up and I haven't seen a single thing that "came true" that wasn't telegraphed to death already.

Paloma Song · Oct 02, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by wilebill

Less Grind Wars and more Guild Wars. Sounds good to me!

HEAR HEAR!

I know people have said this will kill PvE, but I think it'll revitalize it. I'm certainly feeling interest in returning (and picking up a couple extra character slots), because I might actually get to finish some titles now, whereas before, I just gave up - there were other grinds on the market which were far more achievable (and even worth paying for).

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Are you sure it's her job to communicate with the playerbase? Not if we're not paying monthly . . . This is a business move to keep people interested until GW2.

The requirements of her job have absolutely nothing to do with whether we pay monthly. We're not paying her directly in any case. The requirements are whatever her employers say they are, and as I understand it, as the community liaison, communicating with the player-base is in fact her job. And it should go without saying that we *are* paying customers, regardless of whether we pay a monthly fee.

And sure, it's a business move. Most things that businesses do to drum up business are business moves. Also, water is wet.

But to be less of a brat about it, it's a GOOD business move, so let's cheer it! *cheer*

Shayne Hawke · Oct 02, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Seems like everyone has suggested more titles to be hit than I'd thought, so I figured I'd give my thoughts on each.

Reputation Titles: Lightbringer, Sunspear, Norn, Asura, Vanguard, Dwarven. Sunspear doesn't really need touched too much for how much you can do with just getting through the game. Lightbringer could use some work on being introduced earlier or producing more points from quests or something earlier. It's easy to play through Nightfall casually and not even hit R2 Lightbringer, which I found to be a big turnoff for getting in groups at the Grand Court of Sebelkeh back in the day.

The EotN titles would be a lot more useful if the bonuses carried over in the dungeons. At the same time, bonuses should be switched from all Dwarven to either the type of reputation gained from the dungeon quest, or to the reputation related to the area. Past that, a smarter system for handing out bonuses would be good too, like not getting a Time Attack when you only have 9 foes left in the whole area, or getting a Boss Bounty after all possible bosses are killed.

Kurzick and Luxon: Points for vanquishes and such would be great. Someone suggested eliminating the gold reward from HFFF to reduce botting. I'd be a little disappointed to lose what little gold I make from that, but I'd be willing to take the hit for the sake of deterring bots.

Treasure Hunter and Wisdom: Make them account-wide. That would probably be enough to kill the grind of it.

Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, and Party Animal: More ways to get these through collectors or the like would probably be a good alternative, especially as Party Animal items aren't purchasable through any Merchant I know of. Increasing points per item would probably not be a great answer. The quantity of items needed would be lessened, but prices would also be that much higher. Making titles like these account-wide would be... an interesting alternative. It would sorta take away from them being such money-intensive titles.

Survivor: Someone mentioned this possibly getting changed to resetting after death. I'd like to see a change to this title happen, but I still believe that nothing good will come to a Survivor title change without dealing with LDoA first.

KoaBD: Since it was brought up that a couple of the titles could move to being account-based as a solution, that probably would make getting the first or last couple tiers of the KoaBD ranks easier to obtain. At the same time that this devalues the ranking, I probably would rather see this title become less reputable in favor of globally cutting grind in GW.

Someone said something about PvP titles somewhere, but I don't know what kind of "grind" that would involve to be dealt with. Rank discrimination is so much of a player-created concept that it would probably be beyond ANet's reach to find a fix for it.

Heloniar · Oct 02, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

And imo, that is a good thing. And like I said, that was the original intent of GW, before titles, before Elite Armors, before the Battle Isles. At a time I can only read about, cannot even remember because I was late on joining in the GW party.

I were there

the game were PLAYED

nobody made fun of each other for not wearing elite, pugs were much more successful, conquering a mission were cause for celebration. NM- or classic mode were actually harder. nobody were calling each other noob or gtfo, or other various nasty stuff. people would actually help each other out with quests, not stating, "wiki it and grab some H/H and do it yourself, I'm busy farming " it were an excellent game, SF were a awesome add on dungeon. I remember nobody could finish it because it were hard.

rotscale in Sanctum Cay mish were a hoot, we killed him so many times until they moved him to southern shiverpeaks and gave him a elite.

now that WERE a game you could come back to!

nowdays it's all about "Title Wars"!

DarkNecrid · Oct 02, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

And what made Anet finally realize that turning PvE into a brainless Title whoring fest is a bad idea? /endsarcasm

I've seen so many idiotic decisions by anet lately that I agree, we shouldn't get our hopes up.

ya its not like lindsey wasn't recently put in control of the game or anything.

Pleikki · Oct 02, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

They will probably add title track for doing quests, Izzy said that in leipzig or what ever it is that there will be title for them..

.defekt · Oct 02, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

..guild wars

pumpkin pie · Oct 02, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

I O.o then LOL at how this thread turns out.

What the hell has Arena Net giving attention to Guild Wars, changing the aspect of the game that its playerbase keep complaining about become a "grind wars" discussion?

Way to go Lindsey! keep up the good work. waits patiently to see what the surprises are.

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by SlipknotOFA

Isnt gw2 going to be having a tons of titles and the whole point of working on the titles is suppose to be for gw2??? sounds like they are going to be having the titles again in gw2 and you are going to be in a world of pain when it comes out lol... I think they are just going to make drunkard and sweet tooth and wisdom the big ones and leave everything else alone. You would be really mad if they had pking and ksing since its not going to be a stand alone server lol..... I think they are trying to make everyone happy and adding stuff that everyone will like. Gw has been out quite awhile they added new stuff for everyone to like. If grinding and actually work for a title is something you dont like maybe you shouldnt do it. Sounds like you are living in the past this is the present.

The benefits for of the titles for GW2 are unknown. I honestly think, and hope even more, that if there will be titles in GW2, that it would be the achievement titles like Protector (explorables will be persistent, therefore no Vanquishing, but Missions will be instanced still I hear, and there is still Skill Hunter and Cartographer). I'm not saying I don't like working for a title, I just don't consider doing the same mindless thing over and over again boring, and not work but a burden.

I get my reputation titles and everything else people call grinding by doing things that is not grinding (such as Vanquishing, NM/HM dungeons, quests, etc. etc.) So that once I finish with the achievement titles, I will have as little grinding to do as possible. Even if the numbers are not changed but the ways to get the titles are increased, I will go to the non-grinding ways.

I am not living in the past, as I was not around to see GW in the past, but the point of GW as stated by ANet several times, was to make a online game that was different from other online games. This going from no grind and no prestige to no monthly fees. This has been changed and they seem to finally be going back to it. And I applaud them for it.

If you say I am living in the past and this is the present, I say you are living in Madness, And This! Is! Sparta! Woops, I mean you are living in WoW and this is GW.

SlipknotOFA · Oct 02, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

The benefits for of the titles for GW2 are unknown. I honestly think, and hope even more, that if there will be titles in GW2, that it would be the achievement titles like Protector (explorables will be persistent, therefore no Vanquishing, but Missions will be instanced still I hear, and there is still Skill Hunter and Cartographer). I'm not saying I don't like working for a title, I just don't consider doing the same mindless thing over and over again boring, and not work but a burden.

I get my reputation titles and everything else people call grinding by doing things that is not grinding (such as Vanquishing, NM/HM dungeons, quests, etc. etc.) So that once I finish with the achievement titles, I will have as little grinding to do as possible. Even if the numbers are not changed but the ways to get the titles are increased, I will go to the non-grinding ways.

I am not living in the past, as I was not around to see GW in the past, but the point of GW as stated by ANet several times, was to make a online game that was different from other online games. This going from no grind and no prestige to no monthly fees. This has been changed and they seem to finally be going back to it. And I applaud them for it.

If you say I am living in the past and this is the present, I say you are living in Madness, And This! Is! Sparta! Woops, I mean you are living in WoW and this is GW.

Well Anet doesnt own guildwars anymore ncsoft does for one thing... lol heh.. All im saying is leave the luxion and the kurzick titles alone I mean the ones that you actually have to do something other then standing around for hours. Make them shorter by all means go for it. Pay less for your sugar title woot woot lol heh... less money for drunkard title yesSssss lol ... even mess around with the treasure hunter less money for keys that makes everyone happy but by all means do not mess with the kurzick luxion, norn, asura, hoh, gladtior, and so on. If you dont like dont do it no one is forcing you no one is holding a gun to your head. Ive never played wow before ive been playing guildwars since the first week it came out in stores .... The titles isnt even grinding if you want to see real grinding go to 2 moons cap there is 150 for highest lvl I am not one to have a "e whatever" either I usually keep to myself in the game farm and sale stuff do missions and what not like everyone else. I dont call anyone noob or what not either seems like one dude been partying with the wrong people lol heh...

pumpkin pie · Oct 02, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Dear Lindsey, please consider all of these when you work on the title change and i've included links where ever possible if you care to read them. thank you very much.
here are the list:

Survivor Title LINK1 LINK2 LINK3 LINK4 LINK5 LINK6 LINK7 LINK8

Drunken Title: make it like sweet tooth title, click and be done with, can't be bothered standing around clicking on pixel bottle LINK LINK2

Cartography title LINK1 LINK2

Armor Collector Title LINK1 LINK2

Crafting Materials Title LINK1, READ PART 3 LINK2

Weapons Collector Title: LINK1, READ PART2

Questing Title LINK1 LINK2

Some kind of recognition for GWAMM besides the title show below their character: choose one: floating character, Halo or emote or be able to summon lightning and zap the rats and ooze in town would be nice. "LINK1 LINK2 LINK3

Others:

Elite Mission Title LINK LINK2

Merging The Luxon and Kurziks Title Tracks LINK

Achievement System LINK

Legendary Helper LINK

Make all grind base title account base (which i think has been implemented thru the change in HoM) LINK

Profession Specific Titles LINK

UAX Title LINK

LDoA Title LINK

Title for Fun

Thank you very much.