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FoxBat · Oct 17, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Tried to say it before, but I doubt the scammers are actually swapping in wood. The item data is getting corrupted and wood is just the default when that happens.

Lady Syve · Oct 17, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Tried to say it before, but I doubt the scammers are actually swapping in wood. The item data is getting corrupted and wood is just the default when that happens.

I think that this is probably correct. It seems the most plausible because switching the wood, pressing accept, and revoking the invite would take too much time (at least one of the people scammed would probably see the trade window being changed or something).

Shursh · Oct 17, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

i would say that is correct as well, since both people in this thread that have had this happen to them were traded wood planks...and odd choice/coincidence if it were left up to two different scammers.

but yea, this is a serious problem and hopefully everyone who has read this thread will warn others in your guild who don't visit guru to stay away from guild hall trades, and perhaps even +100k trades in general until ANET does something about this.

fenix · Oct 17, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Kamara

When the disconnection trading exploit happened last time I remember a few people in a well known PvE guild were testing this exploit with red dye. They got it to dupe and reported it to anet with "hey, we tested. and this is how we did it, i hope this info helps"

Because they were seen to be using the exploit they got hit with a ban that, at the time, was labelled as a perma-ban. After a few days of back-and-forthing with Support and the like they *did* get the ban revoked because they were innocent and just trying to be helpful.

So word of caution to anyone out there trying to duplicate this in the name of reporting it -- Be careful. Don't willynilly go trying to mass trade an armbrace you have amongst yourselves as it may look suspicious.

Few fact fixes;

Not a few, there was 2 of us. Myself and Enko. I was never in a well known PvE guild, and neither was Enko to my knowledge. We did dupe a red dye, and sent the info off to Gaile, but during the big auto-ban we also got hit because we did actually dupe. Gaile had the bans removed within a short timespan because there was 2 pages of people raging on our behalf on guru (<3 you guys).

As for those wanting to test this. Make sure you do a PROPER test, in that you test it with some worthless items, and make sure you write as much detail in as you can. Personally I'm not 100% on how this works, something makes me think it's related to item position in your inventory, surely it's not just people accepting the wrong items...

WinterSnowblind · Oct 17, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

I don't usually trade in those kind of quantaties, but I feel bad for you guys who've lost so much money because of this. Really hope these scammers get banned.

romeus petrus · Oct 17, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Syve

The trader gets the brace, whether or not he actually offers wood planks is a different question. My guess is that he prolly does, and he has a macro to do it so quickly. When you accept the trade, the macro revokes the guest invite and changes the offer instantly to something worthless like idk... wood planks, then you are kicked form his GH with wood instead of ectos and he's left with a free armbrace.

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Originally Posted by fenix

I was never in a well known PvE guild, and neither was Enko to my knowledge.

<---Enko is in a very well known guild atm

Kashrlyyk · Oct 17, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Any indication that ANet knows about the bug?

Lady Syve · Oct 17, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Syve

The trader gets the brace, whether or not he actually offers wood planks is a different question. My guess is that he prolly does, and he has a macro to do it so quickly. When you accept the trade, the macro revokes the guest invite and changes the offer instantly to something worthless like idk... wood planks, then you are kicked form his GH with wood instead of ectos and he's left with a free armbrace.

Yes, but even if the scammer has a macro to switch out the offer with wood planks super quick, wouldn't the trade window change and force the other person to re-accept the offer? If the person is then zoned out of the guild hall, the trade would be canceled (unless they hit accept again after the switch occurred). That's what I was thinking anyway.

romeus petrus · Oct 17, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Lady Syve

Yes, but even if the scammer has a macro to switch out the offer with wood planks super quick, wouldn't the trade window change and force the other person to re-accept the offer? If the person is then zoned out of the guild hall, the trade would be canceled (unless they hit accept again after the switch occurred). That's what I was thinking anyway.

That what it is supposed to do but it is not, just like when ppl were opening trade then losing connection on purpose to dupe items. What is happening now is after u accept the trade the scammer revokes ur guest status, and that freezes the trade window while he quickly changes the offer and accept before u are kicked out of his GH.We'll talk some more tonite on vent, just dont sell ur braces as yet.

Kusandaa · Oct 17, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

That what it is supposed to do but it is not, just like when ppl were opening trade then losing connection on purpose to dupe items. What is happening now is after u accept the trade the scammer revokes ur guest status, and that freezes the trade window while he quickly changes the offer and accept before u are kicked out of his GH.We'll talk some more tonite on vent, just dont sell ur braces as yet.

See, that's what I don't get from this new scam thing.

Normal trade if need to change items:
- Person A opens trade;
- Person B puts cash (knowing what they're supposed get), accepts
- Person A puts the other item by mistake;
- Person A realizes the mistake, puts real item;
- Person B needs to re-accept. AFAIK.
- If you're kicked outta the GH the trade SHOULD get canceled right away.

New scam:
- Person B (buyer) puts cash already, accepts
- Person A (seller/scammer) puts the item
- Person A kicks outta GH, switches in the meantime;
- Trade is complete, leaving the buyer without his cash, and the scammer with the item AND the money from the item.

Normally Person B should need to reaccept before the trade is complete. If he does not accept again, the trade should NOT complete. Even if his window his frozen, the program should determine that he has NOT accepted the new terms of the trade, therefore cannot complete it.

So it's either a trade bug while you kick someone from the GH or cheating via 3rd party program.

Anyways that's my understanding of the problem.

Lady Syve · Oct 17, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

That what it is supposed to do but it is not, just like when ppl were opening trade then losing connection on purpose to dupe items. What is happening now is after u accept the trade the scammer revokes ur guest status, and that freezes the trade window while he quickly changes the offer and accept before u are kicked out of his GH.We'll talk some more tonite on vent, just dont sell ur braces as yet.

Aah, that makes sense, I guess.

romeus petrus · Oct 17, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

So it's either a trade bug while you kick someone from the GH or cheating via 3rd party program.

Third party programs were the first thing to come to my mind when I first heard about this. But then I thought the trade window was glitched on dc before during the duping scam, why not now?

Kusandaa · Oct 17, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Third party programs were the first thing to come to my mind when I first heard about this. But then I thought the trade window was glitched on dc before during the duping scam, why not now?

My first thought was actually some sort of trade bug - the 3rd party program idea was more because the icon appeared to be an armbrace, but traded as wood planks without interruption of the trade. If it's the case... it's not gonna be pretty.

However, I doubt it is since I'm going pretty extreme here. Don't take my word for granted, it's just a theory (and is most probably false). I bet it's some sort of trade bug with guest invites/kicking from GH. In either cases, we need a fix.

romeus petrus · Oct 17, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

My first thought was actually some sort of trade bug - the 3rd party program idea was more because the icon appeared to be an armbrace, but traded as wood planks without interruption of the trade. If it's the case... it's not gonna be pretty.

However, I doubt it is since I'm going pretty extreme here. Don't take my word for granted, it's just a theory (and is most probably false). I bet it's some sort of trade bug with guest invites/kicking from GH. In either cases, we need a fix.

I too prefer to believe it is a trade window bug. Because if a third party program can hack into the trade window, it is very scary thought indeed.

sixacsix · Oct 17, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

i for one think this is Great! im happy that someone found another trade bug i really highly doubt that it is a "hack" lol this shit is usually much simpler then you think. 90 percent of the bugs in this game are found accidentally so its not hard to believe that some random guy just mistakenly did something really weird and found this out (GUILD HALL ) lol why would you go there to trade any way and why would u make the trade after siting there a while if your stupid anof to fall for these old ass tricks then you deserve to get your shit stolen. ps YA ahhaha good luck geting a gm to give a shit lol and as for the reporting of it it will just be regarded as a scam 72 hour ban (gg) what ever do as you may but i for one want to say grats to whoever found this he is definitely reading this laughing at you all.

maraxusofk · Oct 17, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by nitetime

someone needs to pm that guy and find out what he did.

because the scammer is gonna tell everyone his secret so it could get patched? how naive.

wait for the guru community to find out by itself. thats a much more realistic way of solving it

edit: looks like problem has been figured out. nice job yall. lets see how long till the mass ban and patch comes.

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Originally Posted by sixacsix

i for one think this is Great! im happy that someone found another trade bug i really highly doubt that it is a "hack" lol this shit is usually much simpler then you think. 90 percent of the bugs in this game are found accidentally so its not hard to believe that some random guy just mistakenly did something really weird and found this out (GUILD HALL ) lol why would you go there to trade any way and why would u make the trade after siting there a while if your stupid anof to fall for these old ass tricks then you deserve to get your shit stolen. ps YA ahhaha good luck geting a gm to give a shit lol and as for the reporting of it it will just be regarded as a scam 72 hour ban (gg) what ever do as you may but i for one want to say grats to whoever found this he is definitely reading this laughing at you all.

first this is incredibly inarticulate. periods exist in the english language for a reason (yeah im a hypocrite b/c i dont like captilzation.). 2nd, scams only warrant 72hour bans, but abusing glitches can warrant a permaban. the mass duping mess resulted in a ton of bans (although not enuff to fix the giant influx of armbraces which we are still feeling today wit any truly high end trade)

Vic · Oct 17, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

This sounds kind of like the current Diablo 2 Trade Hack, where you basically just open trade with your other client, show the item, and block the trade buffer from being reset.. Ta-da, victim sees your spoofed item.

That's why I'm thinking this may be similar to this, I never read one thing, was there anyone else in the gh at the same time that you were there?

tmakinen · Oct 17, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by sixacsix

if your stupid anof to fall for these old ass tricks then you deserve to get your shit stolen

This is a serious exploit and based on given descriptions completely beyond reasonable expectations. However, you're mistaken on who's stupid here, since this will be stomped on by ANet with extreme prejudice. Anybody who's been using the exploit can kiss their characters' shiny metal bottoms goodbye.

Bobulation · Oct 17, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I just tested this with my other account, and the, "Revoke then change offer" is not working, so I do not think this is how. As soon as I pressed change offer, it would cancel the trade. I can get some Screen shots of me doing it, but i do not think this is how it is done.

Enko · Oct 17, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

<---Enko is in a very well known guild atm

that was before i joined LoD