Curse

RTSFirebat · Nov 01, 2008, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Hang on this guy is complaining about a FREE event provided by A.net for everyone to enjoy?

Its not JUST about the Mad King's visits, in fact for me the visits are least important for me, as the hats are just pointless.

For me just enjoying the decoratations and the minigames available is much more fun.

To be honest this whole rant thread is fail.

daze · Nov 01, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Like i always say, You can either make an excuse or find a way. This pertains to every challenge in life..
You can make an excuse not to ... or find a way to..

The system worked fine for me and 99% of other GW players who decided they wanted a mask. I refuse to get drawn into an argument since you are totally misquoting me. Or maybe i wasnt clear on a certain point

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Originally Posted by Evil Genius

This "argument" is flawed, not worth explaining why.

The point is maybe ANet had a reason for making the events more than an hour apart, especially since if you count LA and Kamadan, each event lasted an hour each (30 min LA and 30 min Kamadan)
And maybe if you asked one of the minds behind the event creation you might get a very good answer as to why it is 3 hours apart.

And common sense would say that The main event should take place on the holiday only. back to my point where people put lights up weeks before the holiday but they only celebrate for 1 day.

All i have to say at this point is good luck next year. Im off work now so take care. and i hope you have better luck on Christmas.

upier · Nov 01, 2008, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Just finally modify the Hat Maker to start accepting hats that aren't customized for the character that presents it. Solves a lot of other issues not just the one at hand.

Akaraxle · Nov 01, 2008, 11:09 AM // 11:09

This is certainly the biggest issue that affects GW at the moment, it should be fixed with extreme urgency.

Taki · Nov 01, 2008, 11:20 AM // 11:20

If you have access, log in to GW the night before the hat/freebie giver comes and afk. There's a 24-hour window where you can come back, say after work/school/fishing and switch districts (may have to log back in again). This changed from just a one-time finale so that more people around the world would have a chance to attend.

Do that and you'll have at least two hats.

If you don't have access to GW then ask a friend to log in for you or cry about it on forums and be ridiculed.

Lycan Nibbler · Nov 01, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by Evil Genius

Premise 1:
Halloween is at the end of October/first November (this of course cannot be changed) and therefore a busy time for those in the Southern hemisphere particularly. Many have exams, long work commitments etc.

Its always a busy time for someone somewhere, you are not special as there are just as many if not more with equal or more commitments than you. As has been said, if you wanted them, you would have made a way available.

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Premise 2:
To have only 9 visits and spaced three hours apart results in less opportunity for one to attend the Mad King's arrival especially when a few are during the 12:30pm to 8:30am time bracket in Adelaide. To obtain both hats would require visits to both towns and presumably at different times because server-jumping doesn't work.

This is the same as for every other major "End Event" and Guess what? there are just as many during the period 12.30am*(I think what you meant) to 8.30am for EVERYONE else (that why they do it for 24 hours - so you are not compromised there either).
The fact that anet gave you fair warning along with the times on their website gave everyone (including you) ample time to plan ie. if it started @ 12.30am, then afk your computer before bed, if it started in the day, then afk the comp before leaving for work etc.

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Premise 3:
The Mad King goes on and on for such a long time. Repeating the same stuff over and over is aggravating and annoying for those with limited time.

If something aggravates you, then go afk - the limited time does not come into it. Interesting to note that you only know he repeats the same thngs over and over of you had the time to watch so therefore you had the time to swop over at the end of the LA event to Kamadan and afk therefor the next event.

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Conclusion:
The Mad King's visits are poorly designed. Why do we have decorated towns for an entire week beforehand and then have the Mad King visit relatively few times? I am not arguing the decorations are up for too long, rather the Mad King visits too irregularly or for too short a duration (i.e rather than 24 hours with a visit every 3 hours how about 48 hours with visits every three hours, or 24 hours with visits hourly?).

Conclusion: the Mad Kings Visits are well designed as an end event. Decorated towns are the same as being decorated for Xmas - There are halloween decorations in RL for long before the day - why should it be different for the game? To make it 48 hours takes away from the END EVENT - be thankful its not just a single visit @ midnight anet time! I also do not want to see it as an hourly event as I prefer to play the game or do RL things in the two hours between.

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I know for many of you time is no issue. You can easily visit both towns a few times, remain afk for hours etc but not everyone has this "privelege" (i.e have other commitments).

If you cannot "afford" 5 minutes to set up your GW to be afk (which takes no commitment apart from a little background memory on a computer - then maybe you need to look at your own life rather than getting everything else to revolve around you...

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You will probably argue increasing visits would result in all sorts of horrendous evils, like people obtaining too many virtual bags etc.

As opposed to you not getting your 2 hats?? I somehow think you would be the first in line to complain how everyone else had more virtual stuff than you..(oops, you already did...)

Lycan Nibbler · Nov 01, 2008, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

This is certainly the biggest issue that affects GW at the moment, it should be fixed with extreme urgency.

lmao +1 (and 12 chars)

daze · Nov 01, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Question, what makes a crythread so amusing/captivating?

I had to log on again when i got home from work just so i may see the rebuttal offered by the OP.
Maybe its like looking at a nasty car wreck, you want to continue watching the road, but you have to stare at the ugliness.

Or maybe its the same reason people like to watch Jerry Springer or that other guy.

Garsty · Nov 01, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Its been like that since 2005 I cant see them changing it now.

Dark Dragon · Nov 01, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

If they were to extend it over 2 days then were would it stop, what if someone goes on holiday with some friends for a week every year? should they now extend events over a week and a half? 2 weeks?

Very often during Christmas i visit Hong Kong for 3 weeks, with no computer or internet access can i ask Anet to extend wintersday to one month?? sorry it just wouldn't work.

as for having it every hour, didn't you say you were to busy for the whole day to make any of the visits how would this change anything if they were to change it to 1 hour?

cataphract · Nov 01, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

It could have been designed better, but it was a blast when we first saw the Mad King. That design might have worked 3 years ago and one can argue it works a bit less today, but the point is - Mad King rocks. \o/

Hollygen · Nov 01, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I'm quite happy with the way the event's set up, even though the 31st was one of the busiest of dates for me. Payday, a work day and a friday means I have little time at home to log into game

Out of the whole day I had perhaps 3 hours when I wasn't working, out and about or asleep. I just work round it.
With a little afk, and a little time management I managed an LA mask, 2 kamadan masks and about 65 ToT bags.
Not bad since I'd missed 3 quarters of the event

Server hopping may not work, but district number hopping most certainly does, So even if you only managed one visit time, if you plan for it you can get both masks with very little problem

dawnmist · Nov 01, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

I'd rather NOT have the events closer together. As it is, you get 2-2.5 hours between events to actually play the game - time enough to do a mission or two and some quests. Shortening that down actually means that people who would like to play the game find that they can either do the event finales or play the game - but not both.

Given also that the event finales started at 5:30pm Friday night and ran all day Saturday until 5:30pm in Adelaide - I'd say people in Australia actually got more access to the finale events than many people worldwide (it was a weekend rather than a business day for us), so I really don't see that there is any good cause for complaint. In fact, it was actually better than normal, since events usually start Sunday evening and run through Monday for Australia!

If you can't log in once on a Friday night, then again ANY time on a Saturday to change districts....that's a problem with your time planning, not ArenaNet's.

Shadowspawn X · Nov 01, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

This is ridiculous, the hat is for being at the event. You can't make the event you don't get the hat. WTF don't you understand? Also in a 24 hour period you can't be arsed to go afk in a given outpost. But you somehow have the time to post this nonsense? Get a life.

Fallen Royalty · Nov 01, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Since you can AFK it and then come back and get the hat, map to Kamadan and get the other one, it's really only five minutes of playing time to get both hats. So if both hats aren't worth five minutes in his busy after-work schedule, why complain?

pamelf · Nov 01, 2008, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

What would you do if you didn't afk? Stand around while reading the mass amounts of spam in local chat?

I actually...you know...participate. When the mad king appears there are some things to do. Granted they're not very interesting; however that is part of what the OP is suggesting - to make it more interesting.

Fay Vert · Nov 01, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36

I agree with OP

Sure there are ways round it if you have no life and can leave your PC on 24/7, but why should game design be based on that premise?

Maybe ANet could just read a thread like this and take it as a bit of feedback on how they can improve things in the future? Or do the fanboy sycophants think ANet/GW is soooo so perfect that no change could be tollerated?

I also think the rock/paper/scissors sections should be dropped, or at least made so that everyone plays rather than a single player. And bring him on every two hours for a 15-20 min slot. Or stagger LA/Kamadan appearances every other hour.

GenobeeX · Nov 01, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

I must agree with the TC, Halloween is an excpetionaly busy day for me, i have always been one to collect hats for the heck of it. But i was not able to be at home from at least 7am to 10pm, no way i was going to leave my computer on all that time and risk frying it! The event should be more excessable, let it run one more day, they have nothing to lose from it.

CyberMesh0 · Nov 01, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

I thought they already spaced out the appearances between the two locations (3:00, 3:15)- it was surprising that this one wasn't included.

Evil Genius · Nov 01, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Hang on this guy is complaining about a FREE event provided by A.net for everyone to enjoy?

Hang on, you were made a moderater and can't even read?

I am not complaining about the event. I was providing a criticism and suggestion that it could be improved to be more inclusive of people with busy schedules by extending the dates of the King's appearance, or having the King appear more frequently during the 24 hour period.

And your point about the event being "FREE" is worthless. The whole game is free (in the sense of no monthly fee) and always has been. This is not an excuse for not improving upon an event: the improvements I suggested do not make it not free.

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Originally Posted by Taki

If you don't have access to GW then ask a friend to log in for you or cry about it on forums and be ridiculed

Again you completley miss the point. I could have access if the event was designed slightly differently, e.g: Mad King visits for two days or more frequently for one day. This goes for future events as well.

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Its always a busy time for someone somewhere, you are not special as there are just as many if not more with equal or more commitments than you.

This is my point: a lot of people are busy. I am by no means unique. Therefore the system could be changed to be more accomadative to people who you admite are busy.

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

If something aggravates you, then go afk - the limited time does not come into it. Interesting to note that you only know he repeats the same thngs over and over of you had the time to watch so therefore you had the time to swop over at the end of the LA event to Kamadan and afk therefor the next event.

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. I did not have time to watch it: I noticed at one point the NPC was talking and a fair while later I checked back and he was repeating himself, which was what aggravated me. However, this was not the central issue but just a minor annoyance in my mind. Like I have said many times, the central issue was a few design differences could allow the game to be more accomadative for more busy people. For your information, I have already said I tried swapping from LA to Kamadan and it did not work.

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

As opposed to you not getting your 2 hats?? I somehow think you would be the first in line to complain how everyone else had more virtual stuff than you..(oops, you already did...)

Again you miss the point. I do not care that others obtained the hats and I did not. My annoyance of missing out was entirely indepedent of other players: i.e I am annoyed because I did not get both rather than others got both.

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Originally Posted by Dark Dragon

as for having it every hour, didn't you say you were to busy for the whole day to make any of the visits how would this change anything if they were to change it to 1 hour?

Changing it to hourly intervals would give busy people greater flexibility, e.g instead of having to have Guild Wars open for two to three hours waiting for the next visit (even if you are afk during this time it still requires a computer, internet access and open ports) the maximum wait time would be around 40 minutes (if I'm not mistaken).

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Originally Posted by dawnmist

Shortening that down actually means that people who would like to play the game find that they can either do the event finales or play the game - but not both.

I don't really see the problem: you have the option of going to the Mad King's visits the twice the amount of times as you do now (if it was implemented). How is more choice a negative? Essentially your saying its too much choice (if it was implemented) and that's a problem because you want both?

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Originally Posted by dawnmist

....that's a problem with your time planning, not ArenaNet's.

I am well aware of this and am merely suggesting design changes could make the game more inclusive for a greater number.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

This is ridiculous, the hat is for being at the event. You can't make the event you don't get the hat. WTF don't you understand? Also in a 24 hour period you can't be arsed to go afk in a given outpost. But you somehow have the time to post this nonsense? Get a life.

Instead of being rude, how about you find:
a) Where I said I did not attend the event at all in the preceeding week.
b) Look at all the people saying "just go afk". Surely they are the ones guilty of the crime you accuse me of?
And please don't tell people to "Get a life" when they are the ones too busy to structure their life around a computer game.

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Originally Posted by Fallen Royalty

Since you can AFK it and then come back and get the hat, map to Kamadan and get the other one, it's really only five minutes of playing time to get both hats. So if both hats aren't worth five minutes in his busy after-work schedule, why complain?

Like I have said a few times before, I tried mapping to Kamadan after Lion's Arch and it did not work because the King had already left the highest district I could find.
Why complain?
Maybe because something could be better with minor design changes.

I have yet to see anyone provide any valid reason against the proposed changes, except dawnmist who complained increasing the frequency of the Mad King's visits gave him/her to much choice. I am sorry to hear you would find the prospect of not being able to visit the Mad King and play the game at the same time so disturbing.

Why do I consider everyone's reasons invalid?
1) The majority of the posts address what I can do to change my schedule or play the game etc rather than why the proposed design changes are unsuitable.
2) Other posts are fallacious ad hominem attacks.

I hope you are all familar with John Stuart Mill, an early advocate of utilitarianism. This ethical suggests what is good is what leads to the greatest happiness for the greatest number. None of you (bar dawnmist) have explained why the proposed design changes effect your happiness. Surely a few design changes that would maximise happiness for the greatest number are good? Your outright refusal to empathise is completely alien to me: perhaps I am used to associating with different kinds of people.

Anyway goodnight all, I will just leave you with the posts of one forumer for your amusement.

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Originally Posted by daze

I am at work and i work the night shift

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Originally Posted by daze

Im off work now so take care.

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Originally Posted by daze

I had to log on again when i got home from work just so i may see the rebuttal offered by the OP.

So in one post your "at work" and 35 minutes later your "off to work"? And then 54 minutes later your back "home from work". Do you actually have a job? Sounds to me your a 13 year old pretending to be grown up.

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Originally Posted by daze

I refuse to get drawn into an argument since you are totally misquoting me.

Oh okay.