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Yol · Oct 16, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Nope, never needed to.

komma · Oct 16, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

negative....but i once scammed a scammer.

RedNova88 · Oct 16, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Never have, never will. I already feel bad enough, committing even the smallest of errors, scamming someone or even taking advantage of a free opportunity would probably make me quit the game completely out of sheer guilt.

A lot of the scams aren't worth it anyway. A lot of people that scam seem to do it because they are sadists on the inside, and enjoy inflicting pain on other people, no matter the type. It doesn't matter how much money they get sometimes, it's just the thought of someone being upset/sad/angry that gets them going. Even worse, quite a few know how to get away with it completely.

AcidDaze · Oct 16, 2008, 10:24 AM // 10:24

i used to buy feathers well under merchant value then merch them immediately (buy at 12g each sell at 25-30ea). not really a scam because i bought exactly what i said i was buying, just exploiting the fact that most ppl don't pay any attention to the material merch. twas increadibly boring tho so i only did it for an hr a day for about a week but made about 60-70k

just to balance out, i had a regular tonic (the one that turns you into a candy corn man) and someone said they'd buy it for 450e, they opened up the chat and i put the tonic in the trade chat to show them they accepted and i closed the trade told them it was reg. and they said oh and left..

tmakinen · Oct 16, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedNova88

A lot of people that scam seem to do it because they are sadists on the inside, and enjoy inflicting pain on other people, no matter the type.

As far as I understand the mentality of a typical scammer, 'sadist' is not a good description for it. The pathological scammer sees his actions as a sort of game not much different from Random Arena, but instead of a battle of swords and spells it's a battle of wits and every successful scam boosts the ego of the scammer because he pulled it off through his superior intellectual ability. That take is, of course, entirely delusional because it's a game of trust, not intellect, but it doesn't stop the scammers believing that everybody else deserves to be scammed because they are mentally inferior to the scammer. Hence the tendency is one of a psychopath, not that of a sadist.

Lucia · Oct 16, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

People have been asking for a definition of "scam" throughout this thread. At first I thought it was obvious but then when I saw some people treat bargains (paying less than an items market value) as scams I changed my mind.

Here's an attempt at a definition:

A scam is a transaction that one side regrets IMMEDIATELY after it occurs.

This includes picking up dropped items without paying, switching amounts and items without the other person noticing and not paying for services but it precludes bargains due to non informed players since they do not IMMEDIATELY regret the transaction (maybe they do a while later when they become better informed).

oracle.delphi · Oct 16, 2008, 11:29 AM // 11:29

never scammed. been scammed b4 it really sucks...pay for runs that don't happen etc

i have left a run without paying, but the run wasn't finished (and probably wasn't gonna be either) and once sold a fiery dragon sword with no mods for 1k, cause i thought that's what it was worth lol

komma · Oct 16, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

scam: a fraudulent business scheme: a swindle.

kupp · Oct 16, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Never scammed. Tough I do love going into presearing and advertising I'm selling a Black Dye for 100g. The insane amount of people that pm me and open trade, makes me laugh.

Numa Pompilius · Oct 16, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11

Never scammed, to the best of my knowledge never been scammed. I've sold stuff too cheaply and too expensively, and bought stuff too cheaply and too expensively, but there was no malice or deception involved, simply that I didn't know the going rate for the item, so it was no scam.

fowlero · Oct 16, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I've not paid for a couple runs before, but only because the runner was an absolute failure.

Only reason i didn't leave before was cos i was watching tele on my other pc screen..

Malice Black · Oct 16, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

No.

Ripped more then a few uninformed people when buying/selling. Only ever refused to pay for one run, but he was really bad.

beregond · Oct 16, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Absolutely not.

jsn · Oct 17, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

never scammed,there really isnt much point to the game if the only way you can get ahead is to scam and hurt someone else's feelings

as far as definitions for scam goes

a scam is usually and instance where the profit is all one sided and the other guy gets the shaft.

getting bargains isnt scamming,if someone is trading you a very pricey item for like 1 plat.

shit happens..go get a pricecheck

fenix · Oct 18, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

By my definition of scamming, no, I have never done it.

sassoonssamson · Oct 19, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

No I have never scammed anyone

Once I was selling an item for 350K I offered the usual 100K+ xx ectos option

The guy said that he didnt want to deal in ectos and pay all in cash.I said that was ok but I would pay only after receiving the full amount

He gives me 300K in 3 transaction and on the 4th one he put 50K and I put the item and traded.HE sais he was shocked and was sure that I was going to scam him

Unintentionally sometimes I have done thing that look like a scam it was today I wa buying locks for 8.5K and I put 8 and 5 instead of 500.It lloked like i was trying to scam 5 gold instead of 500 gold , but I apologised when he pointed it out

Kaitoa · Oct 20, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

I got scammed last week.
Some one bought something off me for 100k, but only paid 100g. I accepted because I didnt check properly. I know that this is really my fault, but in my defence, it was late and i was a bit tired. I usually am very good at checking my trades, this time however the scammer got lucky. The person than went off line, obviously because they knew that what they had just done was wrong, or dishonest. Otherwise they wouldnt have acted like a coward and left.
Anyway I was so upset that I just got off the game as well. I know I should have reported this person but, at the time i was rather upset and it took all my self control not to throw my computer across the room.
These types of things unfortunately are a fact of life when dealing with people in GW, but also online. People use the annonimity of the internet to do things that may be deemed as dishonest.
The low morale standard or high level of dishonesty displayed by people who play GW just represents the average type of person who use the internet.

Lyynyyrd · Oct 20, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

I scam at least one run a day.

I've tricked people into giving me millions of gold.

Narcin · Oct 20, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

never scammed but i have sat in vent with 2 scammers and PMed the people they were scamming. The lols and rage that ensued after one of them got perma banned was epic

Kaitoa · Oct 20, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by sassoonssamson

No I have never scammed anyone

Once I was selling an item for 350K I offered the usual 100K+ xx ectos option

The guy said that he didnt want to deal in ectos and pay all in cash.I said that was ok but I would pay only after receiving the full amount

He gives me 300K in 3 transaction and on the 4th one he put 50K and I put the item and traded.HE sais he was shocked and was sure that I was going to scam him

I think this person is far to trusting. I would never hand over 300k hoping that a person is trustworthy. This time he got lucky but i'de say 90% of the time he would have gotten scammed.

People should not make it easy for others to scam, the temptation is jsut to great for people with not or little conscience