Curse

Sjeng · Nov 14, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by fenix

Would be nice for it to be retroactive, because there's no way I'm ever doing a book since I've already done Legendary Guardian....

Exactly. Same here. And I don't even need the money or the XP, I only want the added SS/LB and K/L rep points gained from filled books.

Pretty please Anet?

Windf0rce · Nov 14, 2008, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I don't think it is a problem, really.

I'm a Legendary Guardian and 2 out of the 2 books don't interest me anyway: the Tyrian one, as it gives no faction, and the Nightfall one, that gives SS/LB points which I have maxed out anyway.

The only book I'd be interested on are the Kurz/Lux ones. Depending on the amount of faction they give, it might be worth redoing factions missions. It happens to be the fastest campaign (13 missions) and the missions are battle-packed and fun.

If I make a new char someday I'll make sure to use books though.

Abedeus · Nov 14, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

They must be sh$$ kidding me if they think I'm going to suffer through those BORING Tyrian missions all over again.

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I don't think it is a problem, really.

I'm a Legendary Guardian and 2 out of the 2 books don't interest me anyway: the Tyrian one, as it gives no faction, and the Nightfall one, that gives SS/LB points which I have maxed out anyway.

The only book I'd be interested on are the Kurz/Lux ones. Depending on the amount of faction they give, it might be worth redoing factions missions. It happens to be the fastest campaign (13 missions) and the missions are battle-packed and fun.

If I make a new char someday I'll make sure to use books though.

Which means - why should I give a damn if it doesn't affect me.

Pwny Ride · Nov 14, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

A-net completely set themselves up with this one.

With the retroactivity of the original EoTN books, they set a sort of precedent for the concept of the books.

And now, we have arguments against why the new books should be retroactive, and no real substantial arguments on why they shouldnt.

I personally really dont care, i'm only curious to see what the reward is, so i'm happy to wait.

Thats just how i see it.

I Will Heal You Ally · Nov 14, 2008, 09:46 AM // 09:46

yeah I did most of my part only left with luxon and kurzick and I was hopoing I would get a free copy of those two books since I already have leg vanq and leg guard... so why not? That would be a nice reward for us who had the motivation to do it without the money involving *remembers how much money I spent of consumeables in some area*

Gill Halendt · Nov 14, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Like I said in the other thread, the one and only reward you got for completing Protector/Guardian was the title itself and whatever money and exp you got at that time, that's all you get sorry.

So?

Why people doing it now are meant to get better rewards for it? The Title, the Money and also Reputation points?

Isn't it the very same stuff we have done?

Sorry, but I can't see how it's supposed to be fair. I did my Legendary Guardian when GW:EN wasn't out yet. I did it without PvE skills and consumables. I did it with no book reward. That's ok, that was fun, but I don't see a single reason why older players shouldn't be allowed to PAY to fill ONE book and get what they've missed by doing stuff sooner.

Windf0rce · Nov 14, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

They must be sh$$ kidding me if they think I'm going to suffer through those BORING Tyrian missions all over again.

Which means - why should I give a damn if it doesn't affect me.

Doesn't affect me? Give me a break, I could be getting tons of cash/Kurz/Lux faction from the 100+ missions I did total in HM and HM on my Ele, not to mention 100+ missions done spread among several other non-main characters too. I guess I know why ANet had a small concern about the gold. I alone would easily get 1/4th of a million Gold, imagine everyone that plays added together... a lot of Gold would come in simultaneosly.

And I agree about not doing Tyrian missions again, I definitely won't unless I make a totally new char. The Tyrian book is too long to complete and offers no faction reward.

Riot Narita · Nov 14, 2008, 10:50 AM // 10:50

What did you have after the update? The same, or more, than what you had before the update right?

So any complaints are really just "I want more free stuff please", which don't carry much weight in my opinion.

If you don't want to repeat anything, you don't have to. But if you do, you now get a bonus. I think that's cool.

So what if other people get something now, that you didn't get before? I grinded my way to max Kurz through HFFF. But I don't begrudge people being spared that soul-destroying grind, now that there are faster, and less tedious, ways to gain faction.

Arduin · Nov 14, 2008, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

They decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because they were concerned about the negative effects on the economy.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&postcount=39

Rick Thene · Nov 14, 2008, 11:02 AM // 11:02

The Monument of Honour isn't Retroactive.
When the end-game area for Proph was released that wasn't retroactive.

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

Abedeus · Nov 14, 2008, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Rick Thene

The Monument of Honour isn't Retroactive.
When the end-game area for Proph was released that wasn't retroactive.

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

End-game area for Proph = one mission.

Books = 18 (edit: or 11 in Cantha) BORING MISSIONS THAT SOMEONE HAS TO REPEAT.

And besides, even if the End-Game are in Proph was retroactive and you did get a book for it... How would you turn it in? By doing the mission. Which would mean that being retroactive wouldn't change ANYTHING.

Gill Halendt · Nov 14, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by Rick Thene

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

Not quite, factions received is for those missions, when completed before the update.

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- Arborstone and Eternal Grove now give 1000 Kurzick faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Boreas Seabed and Gyala Hatchery now give 1000 Luxon faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Unwaking Waters now gives 1000 Luxon or Kurzick faction for each level of completion depending on which side was entered from. This is a one time only reward, regardless of which type of faction was given.

Faction will automatically be added to your account the next time you log in on each character that has achieved any levels of completion in these missions prior to these new rewards.

You were given factions for them because it's a one time only reward, as stated. Nothing to do with books. That's why people are asking for books to be retroactive.

Wrath of m0o · Nov 14, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Rick Thene

The Monument of Honour isn't Retroactive.
When the end-game area for Proph was released that wasn't retroactive.

And now this isn't retroactive. I really don't see a reason that it should be, especially seeing as we haven't even seen the rewards for a full book yet.

You dont see how books are retroactive in GWEN, but not the others?
They really shot themselves in the head on this one.
It amuses me how much Anet likes to piss players off..they seem to get off on it.

Quaker · Nov 14, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by What Now

Personally do not mind redoing normal mode but being a primary PvPer who has been out of PvE for months now the hard mode bit seems a bit tedious. Having to redo every mission, put the time effort builds and teams together again.
Seriously why even bother making the title prior to this.

You seem to be missing the point of the books. The books are just another way to get faction/SS/LB points - if you still need/want to.
There is no need to redo any missions/quests unless you want or need that faction/SS/LB. You don't get any title or whatever from doing the books.
It's the same as the EotN books - it's just another way to get points/gold. If you don't want to do books, get the points/gold by whatever other way you want.

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You dont see how books are retroactive in GWEN, but not the others?

The books in GWEN are not, and never were, "retroactive". The only way they could be called retroactive would be if you got any credit for anything you did before the books came out. Since the books came out at the start of EotN, and they involve EotN quests/dungeons, they obviously can't be retroactive.
The buying of pages is part of the current "book" mechanism, it's not retroactive, for neither the EotN books, nor the new ones.

Aera Lure · Nov 14, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I've got Legendary Guardian on my monk and who knows how many Protectors titles across my other 8 characters (not all completed all three campaigns). Probably 20 or so Protectors titles.

Had I waited and done all that work now, I'd gain the rewards, and the money would come into the system anyway. Having done it early, I miss out on all of it. And remember, EotN books were retroactive.

There's no way in hell I am redoing all of that. Anet failed to consider their long-time players that got on board with titles early, and for that reason, they can go to hell, and take GW2 with them.

garethporlest18 · Nov 14, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

So?

Why people doing it now are meant to get better rewards for it? The Title, the Money and also Reputation points?

Isn't it the very same stuff we have done?

Sorry, but I can't see how it's supposed to be fair. I did my Legendary Guardian when GW:EN wasn't out yet. I did it without PvE skills and consumables. I did it with no book reward. That's ok, that was fun, but I don't see a single reason why older players shouldn't be allowed to PAY to fill ONE book and get what they've missed by doing stuff sooner.

Yeah I can't really do anything to disagree with you there. The only thing I can say is your timing was off and I know that doesn't seem fair. I suppose most people will do bonuses when they do these missions, I won't however so for me, I wouldn't be gaining what you gained already anyways. I'd just be doing the missions.

But like I said, another reason could be Anet wanted people to get back into the game, it worked for me but I'm sure it won't work for most of you haha.

Oh and Prophecies isn't that long, at least you don't have to walk to each mission again. Just bounce from mission to mission.

I like the missions myself so I don't mind doing them over. That and like I said I've been sitting around in Shing Jea for the past 8 months

Takeko Nakano · Nov 14, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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Originally Posted by cataphract

I hope they don't. Decision they made was good and caving in to whiners would not be a good idea.

Yeah, because if anyone complains they're whining. Whereas if they just take whatever ANet throws them they're somehow "better"....

If you had bothered to read some of the comments, you'd realise that we're not asking for free money. In fact I suggested that either:

a) the cost of buying these pages be bumped up from normal such that there was less benefit for people who had already completed the campaigns.

b) no money be given at all.

At this point I wouldn't care much about b) as I have plenty of cash - I'd just like the help in raising faction/LB & Sunspear points. Why is it so unreasonable to want to remove some of the grind from the titles?

You do realise that the ONLY reason given by Regina when this was raised was that there was a concern about an effect on the economy. Ergo if money gained is limited/removed officially there should be no problem.

In my view this is just a ploy to get lazy/bored players to get back into Guild Wars. What about those of us who never gave up? It's like those banks who give great deals for new customers to rope them in but not loyal ones.

Gill Halendt · Nov 14, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Quaker

The books in GWEN are not, and never were, "retroactive". Yes, I know about the buying all the pages thing, but that was a one shot deal for people who had already passed in a book. Similar to the faction you get from this update

Wrong. When the book system was introduced, whoever had already played through EN (completely, or partially) was allowed to have missing pages filled in a book by paying a small fee (100g per page). That was possible only once, so that you basically received credits for those missions you actually got done, but unfortunately did them BEFORE the books.

That's exactly what people were expecting to get now. And no, you don't get factions equivalent to a book right now, you just get factions for missions that now have a special and one-time only reward you wouldn't get by playing the mission again now (since you've already done it before):

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- Arborstone and Eternal Grove now give 1000 Kurzick faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Boreas Seabed and Gyala Hatchery now give 1000 Luxon faction for each level of completion. This is a one time only reward.
- Unwaking Waters now gives 1000 Luxon or Kurzick faction for each level of completion depending on which side was entered from. This is a one time only reward, regardless of which type of faction was given.

Faction will automatically be added to your account the next time you log in on each character that has achieved any levels of completion in these missions prior to these new rewards.

So, to me it's just LOGICAL to allow ONE book to be retroactive. Economy sounds a bit like a lame excuse and wouldn't be a problem at all, if money hadn't been included among those rewards, so why did they do it in the first place? Just to make players more upset?

Flossie · Nov 14, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

...BORING MISSIONS THAT SOMEONE HAS TO REPEAT....

I missed the line in the update notes where it was made compulsory to fill books, rather than it being an optional thing for people who wanted the reward...

Aera Lure · Nov 14, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

But like I said, another reason could be Anet wanted people to get back into the game, it worked for me but I'm sure it won't work for most of you haha.

Actually, you know what? I played all those Protector and the Legendary Guardian titles due to the fact that I loved playing the missions. With people. I PUGged all of those Protector titles before hooking up with my current guild leader to do Legendary Guardian and MotN. Some of my favorite times in the game were PUGging those missions in groups of all people before Nightfall and heroes.

I was actually a little nostalgic and excited about the release of the new books. I have been retired for some time. The idea of many more people now wanting to go through and play missions actually perks my interest. Would I come back to do it again? Again, for no other reason than the fact that I simply enjoyed that? Yeah. Maybe.

I might have come back to actually play and do all that again, but now I'm too bitter about it. The entire time I'd simply be thinking that I should already have the reward and be playing towards it a second time.

Screw Anet. That's how they want to treat players that invest time in their game? Fine. It clearly makes no sense now to invest any more, since they dont honor previous investments. Making some of the titles account-based is good. Adding more ways to get faction is good. Neither of those really hurt players that pursued those titles previously, but Protectors and Guardians have been unfairly treated. Anet can go to a fiery pit of hell.