Curse

Takeko Nakano · Nov 15, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

This thread is hilarious! Nothing better than seeing a bunch of "veterans" bitching about a paltry sum of gold and uneeded faction, while they sit on their piles of ectos, wearing their maxed title tracks!

Actually the best thing is reading the comments of idiots who don't bother to read the thread. Because if they had they'd know that people who are complaining generally:

a) say they don't want the money;
b) have indicated they don't have all maxed titles;
c) don't have pots of money.

kostolomac · Nov 15, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

I don't understand why are people so bound to these books. It's not like they max out your kurzick title , they only give 1/80 of the max title or something close , while there are many other ways to get the faction.

Takeko Nakano · Nov 15, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

I don't understand why are people so bound to these books. It's not like they max out your kurzick title , they only give 1/80 of the max title or something close , while there are many other ways to get the faction.

Also LB and Sunspear titles.

Besides if they don't mean that much why are so many people screaming their heads off insisting that people not be able to benefit from getting extra title points?

Aldric · Nov 15, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Possibly because 1/80 of the faction needed is still 1/80th the faction you do not need to redo?

1/80 of 10 Million is a helluva lot and we aren't talking about 2 or 3 hours worth of AB to get it back. Thats why people want them retro'ed , to try and get a little further on in the complete and utter grindfest Allegiance titles.

pOmrAkkUn · Nov 15, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

I love the update.

but i still don't understand why people who already have LG QQing about the books.
I am the first one who posted that title at screen shot forum few days after it was added to the game.
I don't think i got any disadvantage about the book. most players with GWAMM should have many stacks of ecto why QQ for 10k gold from a book :P
in the other hand I have new reasons to play with my other char again bcos i want to read, fill each page of the books. I know i can read those from wiki but I want to enjoy playing this game

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

I don't understand why are people so bound to these books. It's not like they max out your kurzick title , they only give 1/80 of the max title or something close , while there are many other ways to get the faction.

Well, all of my 14 character have gone through Factions, one is also LG. So it's 15 books for me, not 1/80...

Guess there's a lot of players in this situation.

Cab Tastic · Nov 15, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

This thread is hilarious! Nothing better than seeing a bunch of "veterans" bitching about a paltry sum of gold and uneeded faction, while they sit on their piles of ectos, wearing their maxed title tracks!

I think it might have something to with with the principal of the thing.

Aldric · Nov 15, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by pOmrAkkUn

I love the update.

but i still don't understand why people who already have LG QQing about the books.
I am the first one who posted that title at screen shot forum few days after it was added to the game.
I don't think i got any disadvantage about the book. most players with GWAMM should have many stacks of ecto why QQ for 10k gold from a book :P
in the other hand I have new reasons to play with my other char again bcos i want to read, fill each page of the books. I know i can read those from wiki but I want to enjoy playing this game

Because the main bones of contention are faction [not money] and the need to redo past missions once again in both NM and HM to complete books that have either been done once already or are currently partially done.

Earth · Nov 15, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

I like this update, but ofcourse I haven't really done anything in HM yet and deleted most of my chars... So ya.

I can understand why people are complaining though.

caeleth · Nov 15, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I really like this update ^^

One slight issue though: My chars have done both luxon and kurz sides, so now Ive got a bunch of extra faction in both, but I can only get rewards for one since every time you support one faction 5k of the other faction gets taken away... Would be nice if we could waive that restriction for the next week or so while people redeem the added faction from this update.

Gill Halendt · Nov 15, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

BTW why do people here assume that Legendary Guardians are also rich GWAMMs sitting on piles of ectos?

I'm neither rich, nor GWAMM and I don't have even one single ecto right now, nor a FoW set or chaos gloves for any of my toons.

Go go stereotypes.

Are all of those factors exempt from fairness anyway?

And you say it's not just envy... My eye...

Apollo Smile · Nov 15, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Cab Tastic

I think it might have something to with with the principal of the thing.

I realize that. Its obvious its more about it being "unfair" than the actual rewards. Just seems kinda petty to make a big stink over something added to make life easier for newer players. Not all of us have been here 3+ years.

Takeko Nakano · Nov 15, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

BTW why do people here assume that Legendary Guardians are also rich GWAMMs sitting on piles of ectos?

Because they feel better if they turn us into hate-figures in their own little minds. No one would mock a poor granny being robbed, but they would a rich bitch.

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

I realize that. Its obvious its more about it being "unfair" than the actual rewards. Just seems kinda petty to make a big stink over something added to make life easier for newer players. Not all of us have been here 3+ years.

Why should just the new players be given rewards/bonuses/etc? I've made this point before, it's like the banks that give great deals on their products but only for new customers. Why are long-term players ignored?

If ANet simply wants to rope in more players and doesn't give a damn about anyone who has already paid up, maybe we won't buy Guild Wars 2 when it comes out. Give it a year or so and then we can get all the cool extras. Or perhaps we'll find a new game to enjoy and won't play Guild Wars 2 at all.

Kha · Nov 15, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

I realize that. Its obvious its more about it being "unfair" than the actual rewards. Just seems kinda petty to make a big stink over something added to make life easier for newer players. Not all of us have been here 3+ years.

People aren't making a big stink over making it easier for newer players. People are making a big stink over the fact that ANet keeps screwing over veteran players that have been supporting the game for years. There is a difference between the two, and anyone who has taken the time to read this thread can see that. Let's just hope that GW2 at least doesn't follow the same philosophies of ignoring veteran players or else everyone who played GW and will be moving to GW2 are going to get screwed.

Red Sonya · Nov 15, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Aldric

Almost as hilarious as retarded assumptions

lol I smell a guru moderator on the way. Time to close this thread since there isn't anymore discussion about the subject matter only masked attacks against those who are against anyones opinion. lol Most all of these fall into that after a few pages.

kostolomac · Nov 15, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Takeko Nakano

Besides if they don't mean that much why are so many people screaming their heads off insisting that people not be able to benefit from getting extra title points?

I honestly don't know. All I see people arguing and progress has been made. All these recent post could just sorted out on PP.

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Well, all of my 14 character have gone through Factions, one is also LG. So it's 15 books for me, not 1/80...

Guess there's a lot of players in this situation.

Tough luck dude.
I hope AN could work something out.

Shasgaliel · Nov 15, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

To make this thread more ridicoulous but still on topic:

1. When I started gw I had to do create a pve toon, then level it up, get weapons and only then I could do some high pvp. They introduced pvp charrs in the middle of 2005. I think it was unfair and all of you should also do all this pve grind before being able to do any pvp other than ascalon and kamadan arena. Say hi to the ones who had to level up their toons for pvp more than once....

2. With the same logic: I had to do some missions 5-6 times because there were bugs there, they should not remove them because new players can complete them easily without a need to retry. I think it is unfair and those bugs should stay there.

etc etc

Now every one gets the same rewards from performing the same stuff. If I do prot title I will get the same reward as you. Because it was different one week ago so what? The newbie who did it then also got nothing more. This is to give an incentive to do it again since most people had their titles anyway.

Same in life. Salaries increase with time, same with prices etc etc. There is an inflation even in game. Rewards need to go up to be more attractive. Look at it as after doing it 10 times you have now some more benefits for doing it again. If you think that the rewards should be always the same your are against the development... Examples from car industry were brilliant. Actually we can add examples from almost every industry. My favourite will be with new medicines. Why the hell now people can just take a simple cheap pill when I had to take many expensive injections? It is so unfair..... Why shouild it be different in a video game?

I am for this update eventhough I sit on many protector and guardian titles and I am for further increase in any reward system there in GW.

Aldric · Nov 15, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

lol I smell a guru moderator on the way. Time to close this thread since there isn't anymore discussion about the subject matter only masked attacks against those who are against anyones opinion. lol Most all of these fall into that after a few pages.

I made no attack on you for disagreeing with my opinion only the manner in which you decided to state it.

There are many people in this thread who have the same opinion as you but who have stated that in a reasonable manner without the need to make general and silly assumptions which have nothing to add the discussion and are patently untrue.

Cluebag · Nov 15, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

I'm going to make an assumption here, and assume that most of the “veterans” “complaining” about the books not being retroactive with respect to faction (as stated before, the money reward is not the issue here) are people with greater than 25 titles and less than 30, people who are working towards gwamm via a couple of more “playable” titles. I realize that this assumption could be entirely false, but in my particular case, the veterans I'm talking about are in this boat, myself included. We're just your average group of schmucks who play this game for the social aspect and to have a good time, who enjoy (on the whole) the product that Anet provided, and who are looking for things to do in the game in the absence of new content.

Before all the passive aggressive Anet sycophants start foaming at the mouth and spilling their kool-aid, I'd like to clarify something. When I am speaking of “veterans”, the particular veterans I happen to be talking about are most of my guildies. So when you suggest that only a few ppl here are “complaining”, while that may be true here on these forums, like other people have suggested, these forums are representative of only a small fraction of the community. Part of that (the fact that more people don't speak up on the forums, especially in the case of my guildies) is due to the fact that dissenting opinions here are generally descended upon by the trolls (moderators included) and they feel that it isn't a good use of time to worry about what the loudmouths on either side of an opinion are blathering on about. It doesn't however mean that their thoughts and opinions are any less valid, especially as customers of Anet.

I'm not trying to suggest that either side is completely right or completely wrong, but those that attempt to invalidate concerns thru abuse and fearmongering and whatever skewed political tactics is just silly imo and doesn't contribute towards a greater understanding by the Anet reps that read these forums. We have limited outlets with which to have discussions with Anet, and when discourse is destroyed by trolls who have whatever agenda they want to push, in the grand scheme of things, they aren't helping. The condescending and patronizing attitudes, especially those which come from the mods (who most would “assume” should be upholding the standards and be a steward who fosters a productive forum community, but what do I know), only really foster an environment where the outcome of any discussion results in such gems as “ur ghey” “qq moar” and other witty helpful things that assist Anet in shaping an opinion of what the community really thinks.

All soapboxing aside, when I spoke earlier of the fact that “veterans” are unable to go for the survivor title, despite what you may have interpreted that as, I meant those who were “born” before the survivor title was a twinkle in Anet's eye. The fact that it's unavailable to my main toon, who was born in july 05, that he's somehow disqualified from that title because the survivor title was created as an afterthought, hmm, what does that remind me of... oh yeah, age discrimination. Color it as you will, but that is what it is. It should have been made available to us so called veterans the day it was implemented, be it as a one time reset marker for the death counts, or as a separate title only available to those who happened to be excluded during the original roll out, or however a “fair” implementation could have been conceived. That's my really only sore spot with that title, that its unavailable to some, only due to the age of the toon which some of us older players chose as their main, well before titles were introduced.

Abedeus · Nov 15, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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are people with greater than 25 titles and less than 30

Hai I'm almost 4 maxed titles on all characters, want to chat?

Two scenarios:

New player without any effort finished the campaign, gets tons of faction/exp/gold.
Old players that did all of this 3-4 or more times (Factions - at least 6 times, including deleted characters) don't get a squat.

Fair fair fair.