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Lycan Nibbler · Dec 19, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

Actually, I grew up in Korea (military brat) and I was at a loss for words when we moved back to the States and there was no haggling going on in department stores, corner stores, grocery stores, etc., etc., etc.

So, no, given my experience (which I'm willing to bet is more inclusive of and sympathetic to Korean culture than yours is) that was not a racist comment, merely an accurate observation of a different culture's commerce practices.

EDIT: Also, growing up in such a haggle-heavy environment, I can tell you that the first person to name price is at a distinct disadvantage in these types of transactions.

It was actually racist for the fact he picked out one specific area, when this haggling is done in many parts of the world ( Mediterranean Europe and north African countries for example).

Also, the first person to name a price is only at a disadvantage if he lets himself be. When I sell items I set what I think is a perfectly reasonable price, if someone tries to lowball, then they get a no ty, GL.

Nightow · Dec 19, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

This offer business really makes me hope GW2 has a market system in place. That way, you don't have to haggle, you don't have to deal with offers or what someone would think is a fair price. (I've seen "fair prices" range from person to person far too often) It's just take it or leave it and it makes it a lot easier to figure out prices.

OP, only advice I can give to you is not to fight against the tide and just either avoid trading (outside of friends and guildmates) or just deal with it.

Lycan Nibbler · Dec 19, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

I actually think it's rather annoying that when I ask someone to offer, they either don't respond, swear at me, or simply say that they're not interested anymore. I honestly don't understand why you wouldn't take the chance to get something for cheaper simply because you think the seller will just say no. It's what, two seconds of your time if they say no? I know they say time is money, but that's just ridiculous. We're not all out to scam you. Sometimes people just want to sell something quickly, and allowing the buyer to set the price is one of the quickest ways to move an item.

If you want to move something quickly, then why dont you just have a price than go through the "offer?" scenario?? typing eg 20k is less than typing "offer?" after all... anyone that is selling(or doing WTB ) that doesnt give a price does not get a response from me. If you cant give 2 seconds to have a price when you are the one advertising an item, why should I?

[DE] · Dec 19, 2008, 05:44 AM // 05:44

It's racist because he assumed the bots that offer 7 random things to you are korean, and not just a bot that could be handled by any nationality.

But that's besides the point. Personally I don't like it when people ask me to offer - but it's just part of the trade system and you need to learn to deal with it because it's not going away.

StormDragonZ · Dec 19, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Want to know one of my tricks?

Sell something for an insane price and see if people say "it's barely worth more than Xk!" Then, go somewhere else and offer 1k more than that.

I've sold many green weapons that way.

As for runes or materials, just go to the trader, see what he'll buy it for, see what he'll sell it for and go halfway + 250-500 gold...

superraptors · Dec 19, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

You know, you could just offer what you will pay for the item, and avoid making a long rant.

or they could give the desired price and stop wasting time for both sides?

mirite?
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AKB48 · Dec 19, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Alot people say the "offer" is entirely for the greedy, but its also for these who are not sure the price of what they're selling. So if the buyer's offer is some where near what they think, usually they will accept, if its lower......things happens.

Reverend Dr · Dec 19, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

-the first person to tell them what price they want loses. (because all bidding starts from the FIRST offer, and only goes in one direction from there)

This one in particular is wrong and infact causes the situation described in the OP. If you are engaged in bartering an item, first make sure it is worth bartering over. Barter over a high end, barter over 100 Zkeys, don't barter over 1 ecto or a white year one mini.

Go ahead and give a first price, you are now in control and setting the pace of the bartering. Just remember that you are bartering so set the price lower if you are buying and higher if you are selling. Not allowing for negotiation puts you at a disadvantage, but allowing for it puts you at a distict advantage.

Remember some people want to haggle. You may not want to deal with them, but there is no way to differentiate with the limited trade options available. Avoiding these people simply because they will haggle means that you will lose opportunities to buy or sell. Refusing to accept that GW trade is fundamentally a haggling system is just stubbornness putting you at a large disadvantage.

bel unbreakable · Dec 19, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

saying make me an offer is an insult to the noble art of haggling
most of the little buggers if you make them a fair and honest offer will just turn round and tell you " lol noob its worth 10 times that" proving that they do know the items worth and are just rying to cheat you

Reflect · Dec 19, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

You want to sell/buy, so you are the active side.So you have to offer.

Age · Dec 19, 2008, 08:24 AM // 08:24

I would of just offered him 50 to 100g for it was this thread needed.

cataphract · Dec 19, 2008, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by MStarfire

Every time someone in game says "WTS ITEM PM OFFERS", I always spam them with "1g" until they ignore me.

Try saying "100k + 42 ecto", not accepting their invite and running around town with them chasing you.

Shasgaliel · Dec 19, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

I am not trading much. Once a while I check the offers just to be around the current pricing. I look at those WTB X stuff. Now since I do not need/want to sell anything I am just ignoring those. But then if someone really needs a given item which I have but do not use I might sell it to him. But for that I need to know how much he is offering for it. Please note this is different than standard selling. I am not trying to get rid of my stuff and look for buyers for it I am just willing to sell the item you want if you offer a fair price. I am not gonna guess how much you are willing to pay for it. Or you make an offer or you do not get the item... Plain and simple.

If was trying to get rid of stuff I would definitevely put a price for it in the "Hello I have one" line. If I am just potentially willing to trade I need to be encouraged to participate in it.

Wrath of m0o · Dec 19, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

I could see if this was an auction..and we had an item up for bid, and we had multiple buyers competing for this item.
The bid starts at 50k..
Even in auctions there is always a starting point, and then the buyers work from that price.
You just dont go..We got this..anyone wanna offer anything for it?

This is how i WTS..

Me - WTS Superior Vigor

PlayerX - How Much?

(I already know what im going to sell this thing for before i even post, or close to it)

Me - 17k

PlayerX - umm...16k

Me - Fine..storage

The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.
It is so much more logical to just say what you want for the thing in the first place, rather than pick an unknown figure you are going to be happy with.
Just tell us what you want for it..you will sell alot more stuff this way.
This offer me crap just pisses people off.

upier · Dec 19, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

IF I happen to be buying things from people, which I don't know WHY I would because they don't sell armours, and IF someone happens to say that, I just tell them to give me a minute for me to check Guru to see what the normal price for the item is. Or I say that considering that the trader is selling it for BLAH BLAH BLAH, I am willing to pay BLAH BLAH BLAH-x for it.
And if the guy just wants to maximize his profit by selling it to someone that doesn't have clue about the prices - you should get that NT very soon.

Shasgaliel · Dec 19, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.

The problem is that the people potentially willing to sell do not know it either. It does not work this way that people immediately know what they will accept as an offer. I will not try to go and look for a decent price check for one of my XK items just because someone does not want to write how much he is offering for it. You want to get the item then do your homework and get the prices beforehand and not make other people do it for you. In the whole thread you missed the point that you also did not put a price on the item. You behave exactly the same way the other did. You do not want to share the price to start on.... The point is you knew how much you can pay for it and he might have no clue at all and by naming it he/she risks to be scammed (by putting it much too low).

If you are not willing to share the price your are willing to pay then I will not waste my time looking for a decent price check. It is you who needs something to buy not me who needs something to be sold! You spam WTS name the price. You spam WTB put price as well. Why both should be different at any time? People who want something to be sold know what they want for it and same people who want to buy. It is the potential buyers for WTS guys and sellers for WTB guys who do not always know the price they are willing to accept.

Instead of trying to force them to name their price do it first. You know it, they often don't. If they knew they would name it in the first line (unless they are trying to scam you of course).

After writing this post I realized why the only trades I recently perform are through guru sell/buy threads....

Wrath of m0o · Dec 19, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by upier

IF someone happens to say that, I just tell them to give me a minute for me to check Guru to see what the normal price for the item is.

Thnx for that Upier...

99.333% of people who are selling things already do this.
You cant tell me that you have no idea what you want for it, so you want me to offer something that your happy with? Thats absured!!

Im going to go get gas tomorrow, walk into the station and say i need to fill my truck with gas...Ill give you 18 bucks for a full tank, lets see how that works out.

dusanyu · Dec 19, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

defiantly greed, example last week went looking to buy armbrase person replays with offer so i offered what i had seen them going for in spamadan (100k+30) person makes rune LM*** acronym thing that Kids love so much and than says he wants +50 for the thing. and basicly i tell him that i would look elsewhere.

Three hours later i post a "WTB armbrase" in Trade in Spamadan. 10 minutes alter some one PMs me a price (100k+25) and deal was sealed.

so yes the offer thing is based on Greed (and stupidity)

makosi · Dec 19, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

I don't like this sort of trader either which is why I list a buying price 95% of the time. In the case of Superior Vigor there is usually a 4k difference between the traders' buy and sell price so I sell or buy those runes for [trader buy value + trader sell value]/2 but people will often try to sell you Sup Vigor for 500g under the trader's price.

My biggest trading woe has to be, "NO REPLY = NO THX," or "NO NOOB OFFERZ."

Wrapped up in your own self-importance much?

Lycan Nibbler · Dec 19, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

If you are not willing to share the price your are willing to pay then I will not waste my time looking for a decent price check. It is you who needs something to buy not me who needs something to be sold! You spam WTS name the price. You spam WTB put price as well. Why both should be different at any time? People who want something to be sold know what they want for it and same people who want to buy. It is the potential buyers for WTS guys and sellers for WTB guys who do not always know the price they are willing to accept.

Instead of trying to force them to name their price do it first. You know it, they often don't. If they knew they would name it in the first line (unless they are trying to scam you of course).

After writing this post I realized why the only trades I recently perform are through guru sell/buy threads....

Exactly.

When you are doing WTB then you are starting any transaction and need to be naming your price you are willing to buy - if you dont have one, then you are pretty stupid spamming WTB without a value in your mind.