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lutz · Jan 21, 2009, 09:24 AM // 09:24

The good old question before every GvG match is - 206 or 216?!
This, of course, refers to whether the server is European or American (an IP of 206.*.*.* is European, an IP of 216.*.*.* is American), granting a large advantage to whichever team gets their territory's server (Americans get 400+ ping on European servers, and vice versa, making 3/4s and 1s interrupts near impossible).

Though, ArenaNet doesn't acknowledge this as part of the game.
Though, we all know how the server is determined - before you enter the match, the "average ping" of all players is calculated, and the server with the lowest "average ping" is the one you play on.
So, if I had a program that made my computer lag to, say, 8000 ping on every server of 206.*.*.*, thereby throwing off the "average ping", and forcing matches to be played on my home servers, would this be legal?

I hope you say "no", or else the future of GvG is "whoever can lag themselves more before entering the match without actually erroring out".

Arlan · Jan 21, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

So - if a team opened up lots of media connections and started downloading anything while waiting for a match - this would slow down the internet connection for all of them -and so they would get a server advantage?
Close down the extra net connections as soon as you start - and presto - no lag.

Cant see how that could be policed by anyone - so doubt it's illegal.

But.......interesting!!!!

if anyone tests this out please post back.

pumpkin pie · Jan 21, 2009, 11:43 AM // 11:43

you've officially created another cheat method. thanks. if its doable, then everyone is going to jump on it just like sync!

xDusT II · Jan 21, 2009, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by Arlan

So - if a team opened up lots of media connections and started downloading anything while waiting for a match - this would slow down the internet connection for all of them -and so they would get a server advantage?
Close down the extra net connections as soon as you start - and presto - no lag.

Cant see how that could be policed by anyone - so doubt it's illegal.

But.......interesting!!!!

if anyone tests this out please post back.

It wouldn't work exactly like that. I Imagine servers are decided by each player pinging all servers and the server which got the lowest average ping is the one that holds the game. Just lagging yourself wouldn't do much because it would increase your pings all around the board which wouldn't change much. You'd need to specifically lag yourself on the particular servers you do not want to play on so that your ping is normal on your servers but horrendous on others which is hopefully enough to bring the average pings in your favour.

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you've officially created another cheat method. thanks. if its doable, then everyone is going to jump on it just like sync!

This isn't really a "cheat" as it is just abusing the weaknesses of the internet and online gaming. Your still playing the same game, just playing on servers that benefit you. I'd probably classify it as more of an exploit.

pumpkin pie · Jan 21, 2009, 12:32 PM // 12:32

lol, I am not going into another of those "arguments" good day.

fenix · Jan 21, 2009, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

you've officially created another cheat method. thanks. if its doable, then everyone is going to jump on it just like sync!

Yes, because you're SUCH an important member of the GvG community and this will totally ruin your guilds rating.

Oh wait.

pumpkin pie · Jan 21, 2009, 12:52 PM // 12:52

no i don't GvG fenix, you know that. but will information out in the open on forums gets out fast?

fenix · Jan 21, 2009, 01:10 PM // 13:10

If players have to go to the extent to do this in order to win, they should probably work on other aspects of GvG....like learning how to play.

If this happens in high level GvG, then I suppose it could become an issue, but then it'd only be total scrubs trying it anyway.

rohara · Jan 21, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

i didn't know that's how servers are picked, interesting. i had always just assumed the euro servers took priority because i don't think i've ever played a match against euros on the american servers.

shouldn't be "legal", but i don't think anet could do anything about it even if they wanted to.

Abedeus · Jan 21, 2009, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by rohara

i didn't know that's how servers are picked, interesting. i had always just assumed the euro servers took priority because i don't think i've ever played a match against euros on the american servers.

Funny, because every time my guild GvGed, we always were playing on either Asian or American servers.

Massive Impulsa · Jan 21, 2009, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Just wondering if the servers choices are depending on the average ping on each server, how could you then get bad ping on american servers and good ping on Euros? I would think if u do download shitloadz and get horrible ping it would be the same on booth the servers, how would u fix that u only get lagg on american servers and not european=)?

Also Gg lutz vs rawr^^

Killed u man · Jan 21, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Massive Impulsa

Just wondering if the servers choices are depending on the average ping on each server, how could you then get bad ping on american servers and good ping on Euros? I would think if u do download shitloadz and get horrible ping it would be the same on booth the servers, how would u fix that u only get lagg on american servers and not european=)?

Also Gg lutz vs rawr^^

Well, you can not fail at the interwebz, and use a program?

Heck, most routers ALREADY have such a program build in, were you can manually set a certain download/upload limit for certain connection (specific programs).

This can not be counted as a 3Th party program as it doesn't directly interfere with GW, but rather with your connection. If this would be concidered an exploit, then ANY person connection to the internet is concidered an exploiter, because some people naturally have a slow/fast connection.

Anyway, I forgot the name of the program, but I've used it before in conjuction with GW, and it works like a charm, you can easily DC yourself, aswell as maintain a 1.5 kb/s upload/download stream (Which is what I needed to get a ping of 80K, yet not DC, any slower would DC me in an outpost, any more would be a waste)

Anyways, lolGW

Yarly · Jan 21, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I'm pretty sure after 4 years of putting up with this nobody really cares anymore.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jan 21, 2009, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Yarly

I'm pretty sure after 4 years of putting up with this nobody really cares anymore.

This. If this created any sort of major, game changing advantage (and is actually worth the effort + possible) people would have been doing this a long time ago.

MStarfire · Jan 21, 2009, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Just force everyone to play on Korean servers, except the Koreans. Make them play on South African servers.

That way everyone has shitty lag!

Abedeus · Jan 21, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by MStarfire

That way everyone has shitty lag!

Sorry, they are WAAAY ahead of you.

Sigma Onkoron · Jan 21, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

1.Befriend everyone in the gvg community.
2.Get them on a ventrilo together
3. Ban them from the vent.
4. Check banlist for IP
5. Ping the ip
6. ?????
7. Profit..?

Given doing that is sorta illegal.

Ctb · Jan 21, 2009, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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You'd need to specifically lag yourself on the particular servers you do not want to play on so that your ping is normal on your servers but horrendous on others which is hopefully enough to bring the average pings in your favour.

That's actually a fairly trivial thing to do.

Relying on the user's connection to tell you ping times like that is kind of silly. The user's connection is a 100% untrusted resource because the user has absolute control over it and the remote server has none. I should hope that they don't actually do this to assign servers.

Theus Latius · Jan 21, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

South Africa has servers? I wish, then I might actually see a green dot once in while where it shoes my ping...

Obrien Xp · Jan 21, 2009, 11:35 PM // 23:35

This is illegal for moral reasons.